• frank
    566
    I would like to see this happen mainly because it would be so funny. But does he deserve it? I tend to believe he actually did play a part in the recent de-escalation of tension involving North Korea, but not in a way that enhances the standing of the US in the world. I think China dealt with it and left the US irrelevant.

    Would you say yes or no to a prize for Trump?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/us/politics/trump-korea-nobel-peace-prize.html
  • Marcus de Brun
    56
    Resounding YES!

    As long as he does not start a war before the ceremony.
  • ArguingWAristotleTiff
    2.4k
    Would you say yes or no to a prize for Trump?frank

    I think it is way too soon to be calling a "prize" before you even mount your steed.
    Distrust and verify has got to be the wickedly strong MO as we move forward.
    Never underestimate a liar, on either side.
    Bolton understands more about Iran, China and the Korean peninsula than the entire last administration and is now in a very influential position.
    If you have been a Fox viewer of opinion shows like The Five, Outnumbered, Hannity, Carlson and The Greg Gutfeld show, you know everything about the great Mustached one. He never holds back his opinion, he trusts few and he cannot be bullshitted. The man is always listening and always thinking.
    Could he be a loose cannon like many thought Cheney was? Maybe but that might not be a bad thing right now.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    3.8k
    He never holds back his opinion, he trusts few and he cannot be bullshitted.ArguingWAristotleTiff

    Isn't there a contradiction in there? How can one who only trusts a few, never hold back his opinion? If you were prone to distrust, wouldn't you actually hold back your true opinion, revealing only a false presentation of your opinion? I think Bolton's past speaks loud and clear for what he is not: he is not one to be trusted. His real intentions are unclear, but appear to be along the lines of US world dominance.
  • frank
    566
    He's a hawk. That's all I know.
  • SophistiCat
    348
    Would you say yes or no to a prize for Trump?frank

    Why Trump? This whole Korean "rapprochement," for whatever it is worth, has been Kim's show from the beginning to the end. Trump just let it happen.

    If you have been a Fox viewer of opinion shows like The Five, Outnumbered, Hannity, Carlson and The Greg Gutfeld showArguingWAristotleTiff

    ...then you are beyond all hope.
  • Cavacava
    2.4k
    Of course Trump took all the credit but Nigel Farage is the Nobel trouble maker.
  • ArguingWAristotleTiff
    2.4k
    Isn't there a contradiction in there? How can one who only trusts a few, never hold back his opinion? If you were prone to distrust, wouldn't you actually hold back your true opinion, revealing only a false presentation of your opinion? I think Bolton's past speaks loud and clear for what he is not: he is not one to be trusted. His real intentions are unclear, but appear to be along the lines of US world dominance.Metaphysician Undercover

    Maybe..

    Distrust is easily earned and trust, when earned is rarely respected which is why Donald Trump has such a small administration. I understand it seems like an absurd concept but it keeps people guessing and allows movement of his position. He doesn't write emails because of that inherent need to protect his thoughts as they evolve. Donald Trump was not groomed to be a politician but rather a business man, both share the skill of hustle, they just display it in a different manner.

    Politicians believe that they are the smartest person in the room because they are when representing those who elected them to a political position.
    Successful businessmen surround themselves with people they trust AND that are smarter than them, in known areas of personal deficit.

    In other words, successful CEO's are Master Delegators and lead as a "We" not as an "I". Hence the well thought out choice of bringing Giuliani on board and the power of Bolton's intimate knowledge, of the very chaos he has been put in the position to manage and to that degree, I can see that as Peninsula dominance until we leave. We have been heavily invested in blood and toil for the past 60 years so we need to distrust but verify and that could take a decade or more. Together, as a United Front, there is no world issue that cannot be entertained AND understood by the Executive branch of our current government common as well as the common man. And that is appreciated.
  • Sir2u
    1.1k
    Fake news.

    Moving on.
  • Banno
    2.6k
    ...and he has done so much for peace in Gaza...
  • Baden
    4.8k


    His scrapping of the Iran nuclear deal would have ruled him out anyway.
  • Tomseltje
    7
    At the moment it would be premature, perhaps a shared reward with the leaders of china, north korea and south korea after reunification of north and south korea.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    3.8k
    In other words, successful CEO's are Master Delegators and lead as a "We" not as an "I". Hence the well thought out choice of bringing Giuliani on board and the power of Bolton's intimate knowledge, of the very chaos he has been put in the position to manage and to that degree, I can see that as Peninsula dominance until we leave. We have been heavily invested in blood and toil for the past 60 years so we need to distrust but verify and that could take a decade or more. Together, as a United Front, there is no world issue that cannot be entertained AND understood by the Executive branch of our current government common as well as the common man. And that is appreciated.ArguingWAristotleTiff

    This attitude of "we" is the deceptive attitude. "We" is ambiguous, as no individual is necessarily in or out. The "we" is synonymous with "us", and the us is always against them.

    Further, these people have no understanding of "equality" in the sense of states or countries co-existing in a fair and equal relationship. The underlying attitude now is that America has already done what is necessary (the 60 years of blood and toil you refer to) to demonstrate that it deserves privileged status. This is the real meaning of "make America great again" for this sort, to produce that privileged status, which twisted minds believe was the reason for that blood and toil. The blood and toil was for the purpose of giving "us" privileged status. It is a twisted belief because privilege is given to you out of respect, which is derived from a demonstration of equality, and there is no demonstration of equality in the attitude of entitlement. So if the others, "them", don't see that the privileged status is deserved, then deception is the means by which one gets what one honestly believes oneself to be entitled to. I don't think that the attitude of entitlement is a good one for international politics.
  • ArguingWAristotleTiff
    2.4k
    This attitude of "we" is the deceptive attitude. "We" is ambiguous, as no individual is necessarily in or out. The "we" is synonymous with "us", and the us is always against them.Metaphysician Undercover

    No. I used the word "we" specifically, even though I know of the word "us", there is no need to replace any word of mine with a word you "twisted" to find more fitting. We will never get anywhere if it is always as you suggest "us against them". But if we can find a place of common ground "we" can go forward.
  • Maw
    416
    Personally, I think President Moon Jae-in said this to placate Trump's infamous tantrums. China probably had more to do with this than Trump. But I guess we'll know when we know.
  • NKBJ
    224
    I wouldn't even have given it to Obomber.

    Prizes Trump deserves include:
    Ugliest American
    Dumbest Tweets
    Most Lies in a Single Speech
    Most Hate Promoted
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    3.8k
    there is no need to replace any word of mine with a word you "twisted" to find more fitting.ArguingWAristotleTiff

    The problem I see is this. "Communism" was presented to the American people by the government and media, many years ago, as a threat to the freedom and rights of the people of any country which might fall to communist revolution. In reality, communist revolution was a threat to American capitalists who had investments in those regions. The pinko commie hippies of America saw through the fake news so they demonstrated against the war on communism. They claimed that that the war against communism was a war against the people of those regions, aimed at oppression for capitalist purposes, rather than a fight for the freedom of those people.

    Now we have the fallout from this anti-communist propaganda, this fake news of the communist threat. We have millions of Americans, including some in high military positions, and probably in positions of political power as well, foolishly believing that those people in those regions, owe America for its war against communism. But these people with this opinion, misunderstand the situation. By your own words, America has been "heavily invested" in blood and toil for the past 60 years. But this investment was not for the sake of those people, in those regions, it was for the sake of the capitalists of this region. That's the intent behind investment, profit. So the people of those regions owe America nothing, the blood and toil was for the profit of Americans. I'm sure you know what invest means, as that's the word which you used.

    You use "we" as if you've fallen for the deception, that "we" signifies a unity of everyone, "us and them"; "we will all profit from the war against communism". But it's really nothing more than a thinly disguised separation of "these people" from "those people". And what is that but an "us" and "them"?
  • ArguingWAristotleTiff
    2.4k
    The problem I see is this. "Communism" was presented to the American people by the government and media, many years ago, as a threat to the freedom and rights of the people of any country which might fall to communist revolution. In reality, communist revolution was a threat to American capitalists who had investments in those regions. The pinko commie hippies of America saw through the fake news so they demonstrated against the war on communism. They claimed that that the war against communism was a war against the people of those regions, aimed at oppression for capitalist purposes, rather than a fight for the freedom of those people.

    Now we have the fallout from this anti-communist propaganda, this fake news of the communist threat.
    We have millions of Americans, including some in high military positions, and probably in positions of political power as well, foolishly believing that those people in those regions, owe America for its war against communism.
    Metaphysician Undercover

    You may be right, I cannot speak for "some in high military positions" and "probably in positions of political power as well" who might/do foolishly believe America is "owed" for any action that is carried out in the name of eradicating [insert evil actors here]. But that is not the prevailing thought that guides the average American, as I consider myself to be, nor the average soldier of which I have family. My feeling is that we are not "owed" anything, when we willingly offer help to whomever around the world needs help in fighting for their freedom. We are not perfect and we do fuck up but as a whole? We try to gracefully walk that fine line between help and interference.

    But these people with this opinion, misunderstand the situation. By your own words, America has been "heavily invested" in blood and toil for the past 60 years. But this investment was not for the sake of those people, in those regions, it was for the sake of the capitalists of this region. That's the intent behind investment, profit. So the people of those regions owe America nothing, the blood and toil was for the profit of Americans. I'm sure you know what invest means, as that's the word which you used.Metaphysician Undercover

    I do not agree with you that the only reason we "invest" our own blood and toil, is for a financial profit. For the last 22 years I have heavily invested blood and toil into raising my children but it was certainly not for a financial profit. I know that some find it hard to believe but Americans actually do believe in helping others fighting for their own freedom, for their own liberty.

    On a personal note, my Uncle willingly served the United States Army for 33 years beginning with enlisting for Vietnam and ending with Desert Storm. He certainly didn't choose to devote his life to fight for the capitalists of any region. No. He served for one reason and one reason only and that is his dedication to help those fighting for liberty.

    You use "we" as if you've fallen for the deception, that "we" signifies a unity of everyone, "us and them"; "we will all profit from the war against communism". But it's really nothing more than a thinly disguised separation of "these people" from "those people". And what is that but an "us" and "them"?Metaphysician Undercover

    Think of "we" as a meeting point between "us" and "them", or "you" and "I" where we can agree or disagree with one another on some points but "we" agree to go forward.
  • Baden
    4.8k


    I think @SophistiCat had it right. It's Kim's show. A combination of "Divide and conquer" and "Delay". All Trump wants is glory and that's the easiest thing in the world to take advantage of.
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