So material cause thus becomes some bare notion of contingency or accident or fluctuation. It is whatever is logically complementary to formal cause. That leads to a Peircean ontology of constraints on contingency. Matter arises from action being given a direction. — apokrisis
would that count as creatio ex nihilo? — TheMadFool
Also, a thing exists only if there's a preexisting "space" of possibility in which to establish itself. For instance, if one wants to build a house, there has to be, before the construction can begin, space for that house. In other words, space for existence must precede existence itself, no? If yes, one thing is certain then, to wit that nothing (space) precedes something/anything. It must be then that creatio ex nihilo is true. — TheMadFool
No since that energy isn't nothing — Augustusea
for example they can bot(h) appear and expand at the same time and at the same rate, — Augustusea
What is nothing then? — TheMadFool
Even so, something would be impossible without nothing. Think of it...without nothing in which something can be placed, there would be no something. In other words, nothing is necessary for something. — TheMadFool
you know we humans ultimately can't comprehend nothing since if we try to imagine it would be something, but basically its no matter, no volume, no laws of physics, no atoms, no energy, no fields, nothing — Augustusea
alright, there is this way we learnt in the military academy, basically, when you try to dig a trench, you you dig and build one central hole at the same time, and expand from that, digging more and building at the same time. — Augustusea
I have a feeling this is not the nothing that creatio ex nihilo or ex nihilo nihil fit is referring to. What is something, here being contrasted with nothing? — TheMadFool
Where did you put the dirt you dug out? — TheMadFool
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