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Did you ever hear of Marcus Garvey (or other back to Africa movements)?
— Ecurb
No, and neither has anybody else because they represented ridiculously tiny numbers far below the threshold of significance as representing popular sentiment.

Neither was the U.S., despite the rose-colored glasses through which MAGA seems to view it.
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I don't even want your Marxist utopianism: I was just pointing out that Africa has never aligned with it because everything about your entire view of history is utter garbage. — BenMcLean

Let's see: you've never heard of Marcus Garvey, but it is MY view of history that is "utter garbage"? Did I get that right? Also, you appear to think anyone who disagrees with you is a "Marxist". Where do you come up with this nonsense? I assure you I am not a "Marxist" -- but most of those who are probably know more about history than you do. Which is evidently no great mastery.

As a public educational service (which you apparently need) , here's a link:

https://academic.oup.com/princeton-scholarship-online/book/14736?login=false


"Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey (1887–1940) organized the Universal Negro Improvement Association in Harlem in 1917. By the early 1920s, his program of African liberation and racial uplift had attracted millions of supporters, both in the United States and abroad."

"Jamaican activist Marcus Garvey (1887–1940) organized the Universal Negro Improvement Association in Harlem in 1917. By the early 1920s, his program of African liberation and racial uplift had attracted millions of supporters, both in the United States and abroad." — Ecurb

They in fact did not move millions back to Africa. So this would be supporters of empty rhetoric, who showed by their behavior that, despite being completely free to leave to repatriate to Africa at any time, they in fact didn't do so, which means they in fact didn't want to do so, no matter what stupid, silly rhetoric they indulged in.

I don't think much of what you just said is either of 1. true (as stated, anyway) or 2. bad.

So we're not going to come to terms here. I think you're alarmist and in doing so, saying things that are patently lacking nuance. There's simply nothing here that suggests anything about returning to a segregated society. But plenty of evidence shows black communities may want this. That is what we're talking about. And that is what I have given responses to. To give a flabour of how I'd deal with the issues you're bringing up, though (and to further show we can't see through this daylight) Whether Ilhan Omar should be in the country - i don't care. She seems like a shitty politiician who does not represent Americans, so yeah, fuck her. But i don't give a shit she's black or Somali insofar as they are facts about her. If she actually is there via fraud, that's what would matter. He may well believe that.

They in fact did not move millions back to Africa. — BenMcLean

Maybe it's not so easy to move back to Africa. The boat fare costs money. Besides, just because people don't move doesn't mean they aren't oppressed. "Love it or leave it" was always asinine..

There's simply nothing here that suggests anything about returning to a segregated society. But plenty of evidence shows black communities may want this. That is what we're talking about. — AmadeusD

This is what you're talking about. I never said MAGA supporters want to return to a segregated society -- I said they seem to think America was "great" when segregation was in vogue.

I think there's truck to both sides of that coin. Plenty of White Americans think its pretty cool to essentially claim America is an oppressive, fascist regime that anyone would want to escape.

Yet they stay. It is bizarre. You can leave the US. It's easier than coming to it. Its dull, but there's something to it imo.

I've already gone over that you directly intimated this, or else said nothing of any real substance. You seemed to accept the former, so I went from there.

I tried to give you the nuance you seem to be lacking in that assessment (although, its not way off point or anything, it's just crucially off point). It seems this didn't land - as I say, there may be too much daylight. As someone in another thread recently pointed out - it is hard to get truth. People will see waht they want, read what they want and assume what they want about others.

Plenty of White Americans think its pretty cool to essentially claim America is an oppressive, fascist regime that anyone would want to escape. — AmadeusD

One can love one's homeland and be critical of it, and object to its policies or leaders. Leaving is cowardly. The lack of "nuance" and seeing "what they want" is all on your side of the coin.