• baker
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    I find it is extremely rare to find people who take one's expression of one's feelings, opinions, and experiences as in fact one's expression of one's feelings, opinions, and experiences. Because most people tend to take them as criticism and judgment.
    — baker

    This seems confused. Do you mean its rare to find people who hear other people's opinions and feelings, and read them as such?
    AmadeusD
    Of course.

    Why not simply be assertive? Textbook assertiveness pretty much does away with the majority of the problems brought up in this thread
    — baker

    I cannot understand what you're driving at here, I am sorry. Assertive about what? Which party in the above tension? Being assertive against someone who claims 'my truth' either results in circular nonsense, as, fair enough, this thread became - or violence.
    Where do you live that you have not heard about assertiveness?

    If all involved would use I-messages, the conflict would either go away, or be shaped into something solvable. Alas, people don't seem to be fond of assertiveness ...

    What are you talking about? Not incredulousness, I just have no clue what you're talking about. I do not know of any prison anywhere who would let any inmate walk out in the way you describe.
    Some people get to live the Trumpian dream ...

    Or when a judge asks you a question with a double negative and demands you to answer it with only a yes or no; and when you ask for a clarification or answer with a full sentence, he threatens to hold you in contempt of the law.
    — baker

    Are you able to provide it? I have never seen a judge do something similar, and not have their judgment recalled at a later date. It is not a contempt of court to not answer a question. You have every right (in a criminal case. If you're not talking Criminal many other considerations to consider).
    It's not in English and the records are not available online.

    If you refuse to sign it, you're taken to the police station where trouble ensues, and you have to hire a lawyer and so on. (And forget about free legal representation. It's virtually impossible to qualify for that here.)
    — baker

    Where do you live? This seems to me a gross misunderstanding of any related practices i've ever come across. Would be interested to see what the policies are. Particularly given your description of a document for signing is Federally illegal in most states I'm aware of.
    Welcome to the EU!

    Bottomline, my point is that for some -- many -- people, the experience with how the law is practiced is quite dismal, and it's a good example of "my truth" vs. "their truth".
  • AmadeusD
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    In other words, this comes down to might makes right.baker

    This makes no sense to me either semantically, conceptually or attempting to figure out some bespoke application. You didn't quote the whole thing though, so maybe you're thinking something you're not quite saying.

    The rest is just a child having a problem with being a child, best I can tell.

    Of course.baker

    Well, That's definitely not the case In my life, but I wont argue if you think this is common in yours. I understand hte problem it presents and generally, I encounter this in children (sub-13 years old). I tend not to engage much with adults who behave like petulant children, as a general rule.

    Where do you live that you have not heard about assertiveness?baker

    I asked you a set of questions which would clarify a crazily ambiguous statement. Your response not only refuses to answer them/clarify but instead takes a pot shot, as If I don't know what "assertiveness" is. Odd.

    If all involved would use I-messages, the conflict would either go away, or be shaped into something solvable. Alas, people don't seem to be fond of assertiveness ...baker

    Becuase you have refused to clarify what you're talking about, I have no idea what you're talking about. But the link goes to nothing, fyi.

    Some people get to live the Trumpian dream ...baker

    Could you please refrain from ambiguous, senseless drive-by statements and clarify something for me? If you don't want to, please just say that. This exchange is a bit ... eccentric, let's say.

    It's not in English and the records are not available online.baker

    Convenient.

    Bottomline, my point is that for some -- many -- people, the experience with how the law is practiced is quite dismal, and it's a good example of "my truth" vs. "their truth".baker

    It's not, and I can't see that you've illustrated anything that would move that needle. Some actual information could help?
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