• Moliere
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    The Insides and Outsides of 'Reality': Exploring Possibilities
    By: @Jack Cummins

    What was once considered as metaphysics has passed into the domain of science, to a large extent, within contemporary philosophy. This essay is a brief discussion on the dialogue between science, especially quantum physics, and philosophical understanding of 'reality'.

    The concept of 'reality is central to such discussion. Westerhoff(2025) suggests that reality means 'everything that we can see, smell, touch and so forth, ' but also includes electrons, numbers and experiences which feel 'real'. Consensus is one measure, but even that may be called into question by shared delusions. However, he also refers to the science fiction writer, Philip K Dick's view that 'reality is that which, if you stop believing in it does not go away'. Leaving aside the nature of impermanence, Dick's argument does hold as an important marker.

    There are many positions on understanding reality, including realism, idealism, materialism and phenomenonalism. Roger Penrose(2025) argues that common sense thinking includes that which is made of matter, but this leaves out 'the reality of minds', as well as 'concepts, such as truth, virtue or beauty. He goes on to consider the perspective of quantum physics: 'quantum reality is strange in many ways', as, ' Individual particles can at one time be in two places_ or three or four, or spread throughout some region, perhaps wriggling like a wave.'

    Penrose develops the idea that mathematical entities may be like the abstract ones in Plato's thinking. This involves the paradox of minds arising from the physical or the physical arising from mind. His own position 'is to avoid this immediate paradox by allowing for three different kinds of reality: the physical, the mental, and the Platonic-mathematical with something (as yet) profoundly mysterious in the relationship between the three.'

    In thinking about this, it is worth noting the following quote from the physicist, Carlo Rovelli(2025):
    'the new world that is emerging is firstly that reality can only be understood by remembering that there is nothing outside of it. But it is also that reality can also be described in terms of interactions.'
    Rovelli is leaning towards idealism here.

    An idealist interpretation of quantum physics has been challenged byDonald Hoffmann(2025). He takes on board the questionable issue of there being an absolute objective reality, but is wary of lopsided thinking. He suggests a possible interface between subjectivity and objectivity, involving 'trying to solve the hard problem of consciousness by building a theory in which the underlying reality emerges from a vast network of interacting agents and their experiences.'

    At this point, I wish to digress a little to refer to the ideas of the philosopher, John MacMurray(1891- 1976). Colin Stott(2025) has pointed to MacMurray's claim that Western academic philosophy has 'dug itself into a hole', through ignoring embodiment as an aspect of perception. Stott suggests that this involved taking 'fundamental conceptual pairings, such as subjective/objective, thought/action, individual/society, theory/practice and severed them...'

    In restoring a fuller picture of reality, there may be a way of going beyond such dualities. Nevertheless, I wish to argue that the dialogue between science and philosophy needs to recognise epistemological limits. That is because, the observer only views a partial reality, much like a dice with all six numbers but when the dice is tossed you only observe one number at a time' (Mehrotra, 2020). Yet, despite the partiality of observation, and thinking, it is possible to build a composite picture. But, even then, as Hoffman argues, it is not possible to go beyond human subjective experience entirely as a framework of complete objectivity. Of course, there is the potential of AI, I guess, but that is likely modelled on anthropocentric models and understanding.

    In conclusion, I am aware that I have put together a jigsaw puzzle, or skeleton sketch based on my recent reading. To process them requires the oxygen of more detailed exposition and analysis. At this point, I feel rather dizzy and overwhelmed to go further. The ongoing dialogue between science and philosophical reflection may give some 'breathing space' for synthesis of ideas and perspectives. Also, as a closing remark, it is worth bearing in mind the possible limits of quantum physics and the linguistics of science. As Strassler(2025), claims 'The language we use in physics obscures some of our most beautiful and fascinating discoveries.'

    References

    1. The follow articles are from 'New Scientist: How to Think About Reality' (Cossins, D, ed, 2025)

    Hoffmann, D, 'We assume our senses see reality as it is, but that could be an illusion of evolution'

    Penrose, R, 'To address the nature of reality, we need to understand its connection to consciousness and mathematics'

    Rovelli, C, 'Foreword'

    Strassler, M, 'The language we use in physics obscures some of our most beautiful and fascinating discoveries'

    Westerhoff, J, 'When we ask whether something is real, this is what we have in mind'

    2. Mehrotra, S, 2020, 'Mind and Matter: Duality in Nature'

    3. Stott, C, 'Restoring Our Humanity with John Macmurray, in, 'Philosophy Now': Issue 167, April/May 2025
  • Amity
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    The Insides and Outsides of 'Reality': Exploring PossibilitiesAuthor

    Intriguing title. First, I'd like to ask, "What are the Insides and the Outsides of Our Selves?" because doesn't our reality consist of their interaction. Our minds, thoughts, feeling and emotion reacting to the external world, and vice versa. The inter-relationship of inner and outer selves with others and events. Sometimes an imbalance occurs. After all, when do we ever achieve real stasis, an unchanging state of equilibrium.

    Ideas of quantity and quality pass from one sphere to another. But no matter the name of the field or discipline, there can still be dialogue. As you suggest, 'exploring possibilities'.
    It seems you wish to limit this to a dialogue between science (quantum physics) and philosophy.
    I wonder why you don't poke into the perhaps more fascinating world of psychology.

    Consensus is one measure, but even that may be called into question by shared delusions. However, he also refers to the science fiction writer, Philip K Dick's view that 'reality is that which, if you stop believing in it does not go away'. Leaving aside the nature of impermanence, Dick's argument does hold as an important markerAuthor

    You don't say why it holds as an 'important marker'. As for 'shared delusions', some might call them 'hallucinations'.
    Your Brain Hallucinates Your Conscious Reality | Anil Seth | TED
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyu7v7nWzfo
    ***
    I don't want to derail from your essay focus, but let's take a quick peek into both philosophy and psychology:
    In writing about virtual worlds in Reality +: Virtual Worlds and the Problems of Philosophy, philosopher David Chalmers offers some methods by which we can tell what is real. He outlines five ways: reality as existence, reality as causal power, reality as mind independence, reality as non-illusoriness, and reality as genuineness.Psychology Today

    Back to the Dick quote. From the same article:
    Reality as mind independence: “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away,” said Philip K. Dick. A better explanation, Chalmers offers, is perhaps “Reality is that which doesn’t depend on anyone’s mind for its existence.” But as we’ve seen in Anil Seth’s TED talk, apparently, we are all hallucinating the same reality. So who is to say the reality exists outside of our collective consciousness? The characters in our favorite television shows are not necessarily real, and they don't necessarily go away when you turn the TV off. But perhaps we can agree that they wouldn't exist if it were not for our ability to conjure up the character in the first place. — As above

    There are many positions on understanding reality, including realism, idealism, materialism and phenomenonalism.Author
    So many -ism's.
    An idealist interpretation of quantum physics has been challenged byDonald Hoffmann(2025). He takes on board the questionable issue of there being an absolute objective reality, but is wary of lopsided thinking.

    What is 'lopsided thinking'? Uneven, skewed, prejudiced...yes, of course.

    He suggests a possible interface between subjectivity and objectivity, involving 'trying to solve the hard problem of consciousness by building a theory in which the underlying reality emerges from a vast network of interacting agents and their experiences.Author
    How on earth...where do you begin... but you decide to digress. How frustrating not to say more.
    Express your thoughts on the matter.

    Colin Stott(2025) has pointed to MacMurray's claim that Western academic philosophy has 'dug itself into a hole', through ignoring embodiment as an aspect of perception. Stott suggests that this involved taking 'fundamental conceptual pairings, such as subjective/objective, thought/action, individual/society, theory/practice and severed them...'Author

    Yes, yes, yes. It is a severance related to theories of theories built on sands of speculation. Either/Or.
    With some philosophers sticking their heads and heels in. Black/White. Continental v Analytic philosophy.
    Do they not realise that visions and feelings are the start of notions and concepts.
    Divisions join inside and outside the real world. Parts of the whole.
    Without the feeling of the absurd, where would 'absurdism' be?

    What about the kind of reality found in a natural common-sense or practical rationality which sees no value in theory unless translated into practice. What use 'thought' without 'action'? Is writing a theory sufficient?

    Yet, despite the partiality of observation, and thinking, it is possible to build a composite picture. But, even then, as Hoffman argues, it is not possible to go beyond human subjective experience entirely as a framework of complete objectivity. Of course, there is the potential of AI, I guess, but that is likely modelled on anthropocentric models and understanding.Author

    How is it possible to build a composite picture of reality? Do you mean that the interaction of an external event with an inner experience creates an image of the moment as reality?
    I'm reminded of the word 'Gestalt'. I think that is a way of looking at reality that is holistic. The whole is more than the sum of its parts. Not sure.

    This exploration is most worthwhile. The process starts with reading and then questioning.
    Seeking. I understand the need to rest. Ascending Everest needs a plentiful supply of oxygen.
    Brain cells die within minutes if bereft. That is reality.

    Also, as a closing remark, it is worth bearing in mind the possible limits of quantum physics and the linguistics of science. As Strassler(2025), claims 'The language we use in physics obscures some of our most beautiful and fascinating discoveries.'Author

    It isn't only in physics. Sometimes, language in philosophy can make foreigners of us all...

    Thanks for a thought-provoking essay. Another step along the way. Have a good day :cool:
  • Jack Cummins
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    One main problem with this essay on the forum is that it is an area so hotly debated within philosophy. It is rather unfortunate that it is onsite while the thread on 'what is reality? is going so strongly. This may mean that hardly anyone will read it all, because that thread has grown so long. To say less or more about the idea of reality is the question?
  • Amity
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    One main problem with this essay on the forum is that it is an area so hotly debated within philosophy. It is rather unfortunate that it is onsite while the thread on 'what is reality? is going so strongly. This may mean that hardly anyone will read it all, because that thread has grown so long. To say less or more about the idea of reality is the question?Jack Cummins

    I don't see what the problem is. The essay stands on it own, alongside 12 others.
    If there is a hot debate on the issue, then that's fine. It is the author's perspective.
    I, for one, have not been following a thread on 'what is reality?'. No matter how long it has become.

    Your concern is not well-founded. IMO. Readers can be drawn to what appeals or is new or even strange to them. But we are all, sometimes, limited by time and energy.

    What is important is that the author took time to write and share. That can take a certain amount of courage. To do one's best is to grow, no?

    To take part in this event is a reward unto itself! :wink:
  • Vera Mont
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    The ongoing dialogue between science and philosophical reflection may give some 'breathing space' for synthesis of ideas and perspectives.Moliere

    Indeed. The problem is, and will be for some time to come, that in physics and cosmology, science isn't exactly on solid ground today. It's heavily theoretical and not available for direct observation; much of it exists in the form of mathematical formulas with no physical confirmation or experiments with no conclusion. And the practitioners don't necessarily agree among themselves.
    Neither do philosophers, I imagine. So, I can see a one-to-one dialogue between a quantum physicist and a metaphysician who speak the same language, but not one between the two disciplines. Neither conversation would yield useful results.

    However, it seems to me that the majority of philosophers today are concerned with mind, ethics and social organization, while the majority of scientists are in biological and earth sciences. I can certainly imagine some lively and productive discussions there.
  • Jack Cummins
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    Thanks for your feedback, and, at least you know part of the background. The concepts of 'insides' vs 'outsides' was probably not considered fully enough. It is about positions, or perspectives. As far as lopsided thinking, it is a good question how this relates to prejudices. Each person comes from a background of experience, of cultural epistemological influences. The challenge may be to expand this as far as possible.

    If anything, this essay is one of processing a lot reading which I have done, culminating in the issue of New Scientist on the nature of reality. It may be more one which involves my own thinking, and it would need a lot more careful exposition to make it helpful reading for others.

    The references to needing more oxygen were based on my own low oxygen levels, which did give rise to hallucinations...I did wonder about the significance of needing breathing space, especially given the intensity of thinking in philosophy...
  • Jack Cummins
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    Thank you for your feedback, including the issue of how physics may be regarded. It was once seen as the foundation for science. This has become a shaky area and the whole issue of experimental verification arises in connection with this. Partiality and impartiality is linked to this, especially as scientific experiments can only test hypotheses or descriptive inferences. So much comes down to interpretation and physics may give what is considered to be metaphysical flights of fantasy.
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