It seems to me that the answers lie between the two extremes — Harry Hindu
The leaning may now have gone in the opposite direction, that all 'biological males', including those who wish to become women should be viewed as potential 'rapists'. — Jack Cummins
What would real world examples of radical individualism and radical institutionalism look like?So it seems to me. Neither radical individualism nor radical institutionalism. — RussellA
What would real world examples of radical individualism and radical institutionalism look like? I gave an example of radical individualism as a hermit. How does a hermit's choice to live in the Canadian or Alaskan wilderness affect you the life you choose to live? How does that compare to the influence radical institutionalism would have on your life's choices? — Harry Hindu
:up:It is not so much an Authoritarian Liberty Paradox, but rather an Authoritarian Liberty Hypocrisy. — RussellA
Have a lot of men pretending to identify as women asked to be in the teenaged girls' dressing rooms? Or maybe they all snuck in via the public toilets. What did they do? Anything a man who didn't claim to be a woman wouldn't do?Just ask a man!!! — RussellA
Was extreme collectivism also criticized? — Harry Hindu
Neither wants to appear authoritarian because in a culture that values freedom and individualism over authoritarianism, that would look ugly. — Harry Hindu
Have a lot of men pretending to identify as women asked to be in the teenaged girls' dressing rooms? — Vera Mont
In recent years, prisons across the Western world have been allowing men who identify as women to be housed alongside female inmates, leading to sexual harassment, sexual assaults, pregnancies, and complaints from women both in prison and among the general public. These complaints have been mostly ignored by governments and those with the power to do something.
Why, in an essay about one ideology would the author be criticizing another ideology? Shouldn't the essay be about what the author says it's about? There will be plenty of critics to drag in completely unrelated topics. — Vera Mont
If the author does not want to appear biased then they would take a more objective position. By focusing on the lesser of the two "evils", your intent does not appear to be to solve the problem they are showing but to simply bash one ideology.Why, in an essay about one ideology would the author be criticizing another ideology? Shouldn't the essay be about what the author says it's about? There will be plenty of critics to drag in completely unrelated topics. — Vera Mont
It seems to me that, while both extreme, one is worse than the other, and the worse one is not the one the author is focused on.What would real world examples of radical individualism and radical institutionalism look like?
I gave an example of radical individualism as a hermit. How does a hermit's choice to live in the Canadian or Alaskan wilderness affect you the life you choose to live? How does that compare to the influence radical institutionalism would have on your life's choices? — Harry Hindu
How many, exactly? What were the outcomes?It doesn't need to be a lot to make a problem, a few is sufficient. — RussellA
And yet the city fails to make changes to intersections where no accidents have taken place, but some imaginable accident might on some future Thursday. (How many roundabouts will Londoners tolerate?)That there are not a lot of deaths in road traffic accidents in London on a particular day does not mean that deaths in road traffic accidents is not a problem. — RussellA
Exactly!The difficulty is being able to distinguish between someone identifying as something and someone pretending to identify as something, which is one of the themes of this essay "The Authoritarian Liberty Paradox". — RussellA
Every essay takes the position it takes on the subject it discusses. The author talking about Kierkegaard makes no appeal to Schopnehauer. The one discussing past and present doesn't get into a critique of Judaism. An op-ed piece on cinema hardly mentions what's wrong with painting and a recipe for bean soup doesn't even consider pumpkin pie.If the author does not want to appear biased then they would take a more objective position. — Harry Hindu
Where does the author say this essay is intended to solve a problem? Or the relative size of evils?By focusing on the lesser of the two "evils", your intent does not appear to be to solve the problem they are showing but to simply bash one ideology. — Harry Hindu
It's not bashing the ideology; it's showing its shortcomings as a philosophy. It points out the gaps between the stated tenets of the ideology, political theory and social reality, as illustrated by some high-profile figures who claim to be its embodiment.This essay argues that radical individualism is less a coherent political philosophy than a theatrical pose that conceals its reliance on collective institutions, rationalizes inequality and rebrands domination as personal freedom. By examining its philosophical roots and public champions we expose a paradox at its core: the celebration of liberty through authoritarian means. — Moliere
What makes this paradox politically dangerous is not just its incoherence but its corrosive effect on democratic norms and public solidarity. — Author
The institutions radical individualists reject are the very structures that allow people to act safely and intelligibly. Moving through public space without fear, challenging injustice in court or accessing healthcare are not natural conditions. They support agency and to treat them as constraints is to misunderstand how freedom is obtained in fact. — Author
Hannah Arendt distinguishes between private freedom from interference and public freedom through action. The latter, she argues, is the political kind: appearing, speaking and acting with others in a shared space. Retreating into the household, the market or the self does not protect freedom. It eliminates it. — Author
the celebration of liberty through authoritarian means. — Author
Trump commands state machinery and nationalist rhetoric, — Author
The Authoritarian Liberty Paradox: A Study in Contradictions and Nonsense
California on Monday filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration, accusing the US president of “unlawfully” federalizing the state’s national guard to quell immigration protests in Los Angeles.
Trump’s extraordinary deployment of troops to Los Angeles exceeds federal authority and violates the 10th amendment in an “unprecedented usurpation” of state powers, according to the court filing. — Guardian - Los Angeles ICE protests
Trump sends thousands more troops to LA as mayor says city is being used as an ‘experiment’
California leaders condemn ‘authoritarian’ president as demonstrations over immigration raids continue in Los Angeles and beyond. — The Guardian
Defence secretary Pete Hegseth went further, announcing that active-duty Marines stationed nearby had been placed on "high alert" for mobilisation.
Posting on X, Governor Newsom responded: "The Secretary of Defence is now threatening to deploy active-duty Marines on American soil against its own citizens. This is deranged behaviour." — Sky News
the image of a self-legitimating individual opposed to collective authority. Yet each depends on immense institutional power. — Author
This is what I call the Authoritarian Liberty Paradox: a worldview that denounces power, structure and constraint while glorifying individuals who wield all three — Moliere
The liberty paradox - more dangerous than mere hypocrisy - is shown in its extreme form. — Amity
I don't understand where the paradox comes from. — RussellA
What makes this paradox politically dangerous is not just its incoherence but its corrosive effect on democratic norms and public solidarity. It promotes the illusion of self-sufficiency, undermines trust in institutions and casts redistributive policies as threats to liberty rather than its conditions. At the same time it elevates figures who use public power for private gain and disguises domination as freedom.
The ideology enables policies that weaken safety nets, disenfranchise the vulnerable and concentrate power in unaccountable hands. It fosters political apathy and strengthens demagogues who promise freedom while dismantling its foundations. The Authoritarian Liberty Paradox is not just a contradiction. It is a script for democratic decline disguised as moral clarity. — Author
Try reading the essay carefully. Not only what the paradox is, but its effects. — Amity
This is what I call the Authoritarian Liberty Paradox: a worldview that denounces power, structure and constraint while glorifying individuals who wield all three.
Exactly. And I am not off topic discussing authoritarianism and libertarianism in a thread titled: The Authoritarian Liberty Paradox. This is a typical tactic of not agreeing with what said but instead of making an argument against what was said, you assert it is off-topic. Well, my posts have not been deleted for being off-topic, so.... next.Every essay takes the position it takes on the subject it discusses. The author talking about Kierkegaard makes no appeal to Schopnehauer. The one discussing past and present doesn't get into a critique of Judaism. An op-ed piece on cinema hardly mentions what's wrong with painting and a recipe for bean soup doesn't even consider pumpkin pie. — Vera Mont
I don't know. Why would the author write the essay asserting that Libertarianism is actually Authoritarianism unless they planned on inciting others to do something about it? The whole essay is a straw-man. It appears to be an authoritarian describing libertarianism. It's like a man describing what it is like to be a woman.Where does the author say this essay is intended to solve a problem? Or the relative size of evils? — Vera Mont
Just because someone claims to be a woman does not mean they are a woman. Just because someone claims to be a Libertarian does not mean they are. One is a woman by the way they are born. One is a Libertarian but the way one behaves and treats others with a healthy understanding and respect that others have the same freedoms as you do.It's not bashing the ideology; it's showing its shortcomings as a philosophy. It points out the gaps between the stated tenets of the ideology, political theory and social reality, as illustrated by some high-profile figures who claim to be its embodiment. — Vera Mont
It is not about crimes committed. It is about, as you said:
Why would a man be in a teenaged girls' changing room? — RussellA
Aside from the misrepresentation of this topic, are you saying the only reason to write an essay to incite?Why would the author write the essay asserting that Libertarianism is actually Authoritarianism unless they planned on inciting others to do something about it? — Harry Hindu
The essay is about one of those subjects.Just because someone claims to be a woman does not mean they are a woman. Just because someone claims to be a Libertarian does not mean they are. — Harry Hindu
It's not describing either of those things. It's pointing out discrepancies between theory and reality, rhetoric and action. Yeah, it's hard to discern those subtle nuances.It appears to be an authoritarian describing libertarianism. It's like a man describing what it is like to be a woman. — Harry Hindu
How do you know? Do you recall being born and knowing what gender you were? Are you speaking of every woman's experience, or are you a man describing what it is to be a woman? What so troubles you about women and who's allowed to be one? I've been one most of my life, and it's not that special. I'm willing to share womanhood with anyone who wants it.One is a woman by the way they are born. — Harry Hindu
I've never met an unbiased person, and damn few intelligent ones. I have, however, known politicians who didn't tell ginormous lies or borrow the philosophical stance of people they don't understand or agree with.Any unbiased, intelligent person understands that ALL politicians lie and manipulate the facts. — Harry Hindu
You've asserted that, yes. Wanna do it again? Go ahead, we've got time.I have already pointed out that both Dems and Reps hide their authoritarian tendencies by covering them up with their Libertarian tendencies. — Harry Hindu
I'm not telling you any such thing. Someone who prefers to be addressed in a way you don't approve of might you ask you politely to use the correct pronoun, but no Democratic president has passed an executive order forcing people to an assigned gender.Just as you telling me what pronouns I have to use is not an expression of freedom and inclusion. — Harry Hindu
Well, "incite" could be one possible reaction according to some on these forums. Why would someone write an essay with a faulty analysis of the facts?Aside from the misrepresentation of this topic, are you saying the only reason to write an essay to incite? — Vera Mont
Then we agree that people are not always what they claim to be. An individual is what they are based on natural causes (in the context of mating and medicine) and their actions since becoming a legal adult (in the context of the laws of the society they live in) that preceded their existence at this moment in time.It's not describing either of those thing. It's pointing out discrepancies between rhetoric and reality. — Vera Mont
Exactly. I was a male regardless of what I knew or believed until I acquired more information.How do you know? Do you recall being born and knowing what gender you were? Are you speaking of every woman's experience, or a man describing what it's like to be a woman? — Vera Mont
Lots of people would, for lots of reasons - climate change denial comes to mind... or the benign uses of coal power.... This author hasn't.Why would someone write an essay with a faulty analysis of the facts? — Harry Hindu
That's a bit of a snag for authoritarians proclaiming themselves liberators.Then we agree that people are not always what they claim to be. An individual is what they are based on natural causes (in the context of mating and medicine) and their actions since becoming a legal adult (in the context of the laws of the society they live in) that preceded their existence at this moment in time. — Harry Hindu
And once you acquired more information, you learned what it is to be a woman? Well, all right, sister. Welcome to our rest room!I was a male regardless of what I knew or believed until I acquired more information. — Harry Hindu
I don't get your point. If you don't judge people based on past behavior you just end up believing the same people that have lied to you and engaging in useless conversations with people that refuse to be intellectually honest. There's nothing authoritarian about that. It's just simple logic.That's a bit of a snag for authoritarians proclaiming themselves liberators. — Vera Mont
Ok, so I was in a hurry in typing that last part, but I'm sure that you knew what I meant.I was a male regardless of what I knew or believed until I acquired more information.
— Harry Hindu
And once you acquired more information, you learned what it is to be a woman? Well, all right, sister. Welcome to our rest room! — Vera Mont
Yeah, it's hard to peek over the baby belly when your head is too heavy to lift. But eventually, you became an expert on what a woman is. Amazing!My sex was determined at the moment of fertilization despite what I, my mother, father or the doctors knew at that time. It was only in making observations over time that my sex became known to the doctors, my mother and my father. I had to wait to acquire this information (not create it) by making my own observations. — Harry Hindu
That, at least, is evident.I don't get your point. — Harry Hindu
On another note, I would really have liked to have seen some comparisons with Popper's views. I would be really interest see the author's thoughts on what Popper had to say in regards to 'Open Society And It's Enemies'. There seems to be a direct parallel to what is being discussed in this essay. — I like sushi
It's hard to see how a focus on three non-philosophers who the author dislikes amounts to anything more than ad hominem. A philosophy essay needs to avoid such strong reliance on ad hominem. The piece is more than that, but it is bogged down by it. — Leontiskos
:cool:I had a very long time to draft the responses, because I started with them when the comments arose. Gave me time to shave away all the acerbic comments I had and play nice for a change — Benkei
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