• Corvus
    2.4k
    so everything’s real and nothing’s fake.Arbü1237
    Is Santa Clause real? Is God real?
  • Arbü1237
    12
    You have to be more realistic. The idea of god and Santa are real and we can imagine the idea and understand it.
  • Corvus
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    The idea of god and Santa are real and we can imagine the idea and understand it.Arbü1237
    1. It was a question about if the existence of God and Santa are real. Not the ideas.
    2. Does it make sense to say that for us to be able to imagine and understand it, it has to be real?
    3. Does the world care if we can or cannot imagine or understand it?
  • Gary Venter
    10
    Here is some logical grounds for believing in the existence of the world from ChatGPT.Corvus

    Philosophy has become a classifying system for concepts and lines of reasoning, and all the branches the definitions and arguments could take. For instance there must be at least 20 types of panpsychism by now. New research, such as PhD dissertations, consists of following a line as far as it can go and then extending it in some way, probably by further splitting the track. Philosophy ends up having the same organizational structure as a book of chess openings.

    ChatGPT has adopted the philosophical approach. Everything seems factual and devoid of evaluation, at least until the conclusion that "belief in the existence of the world is generally regarded as a foundational assumption of human cognition and inquiry, underlying our understanding of the natural world and our place within it," for which no support is provided.
  • wonderer1
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    ChatGPT has adopted the philosophical approach. Everything seems factual and devoid of evaluation, at least until the conclusion that "belief in the existence of the world is generally regarded as a foundational assumption of human cognition and inquiry, underlying our understanding of the natural world and our place within it," for which no support is provided.Gary Venter

    Do you think the statement is lacking in support? I would think randomly polling people on the question would show general agreement with ChatGPT.
  • flannel jesus
    777


    At the very least, it's fairly easy to prove that *most philosophers* are realists about the world

    https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/all

    Accept or lean towards non-skeptical realism
    79.54%

    That may not satisfy the full sentence in question, but it's at least a start towards it.
  • Gary Venter
    10
    Maybe so. That's sort of a popularity contest. ChatGPT didn't give any data to support that either, but I meant conceptual support was not provided.

    Some physicists are now saying that physics does not support the existence of the quantum world, which the classical physical world is made of. All it does, and all we need it to do, is predict our observations.

    I expect that most people would agree that acting like the physical world is real would would work well in practice.

    I personally take a skeptical viewpoint that there is no reason to accept any theories about the reality of anything, including the reality of the quantum world and everything built from it. Still there are appealing theories about quantum reality, all worth entertaining.
  • Arbü1237
    12


    This are real delusions.
  • Corvus
    2.4k
    Philosophy has become a classifying system for concepts and lines of reasoning, and all the branches the definitions and arguments could take. For instance there must be at least 20 types of panpsychism by now. New research, such as PhD dissertations, consists of following a line as far as it can go and then extending it in some way, probably by further splitting the track. Philosophy ends up having the same organizational structure as a book of chess openings.Gary Venter
    Interesting point. :ok:

    ChatGPT has adopted the philosophical approach. Everything seems factual and devoid of evaluation, at least until the conclusion that "belief in the existence of the world is generally regarded as a foundational assumption of human cognition and inquiry, underlying our understanding of the natural world and our place within it," for which no support is provided.Gary Venter
    ChatGPT seems to be ok for getting quick summarised info on the topics. But it is not for anything more detailed, deeper or serious source of info. What portion of the info from ChatGPT and all the online based description source would be reliable and objective knowledge in terms of the factual and verified truths is another matter.
  • Corvus
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    ↪Corvus

    This are real delusions.
    Arbü1237
    The post was just asking you for clarification on your claims, which sounded confused and muddled. How can "asking for clarification" be delusions?
  • Gary Venter
    10
    Indeed. It is famous for making things up. If you ask it about it, it says its task is to provide plausible responses. I asked if that makes it a con artist, and it quibbled about definitions.
  • Corvus
    2.4k
    I asked if that makes it a con artist, and it quibbled about definitions.Gary Venter
    Philosophers often seem to quibble about definitions, when the definitions are unclear for the arguments. :nerd: But shouldn't the AI Knowledge Expert System be able to present with the correct definitions at the press of the button instead of quibbling about them? :D
  • flannel jesus
    777
    But shouldn't the AI Knowledge Expert System be able to present with the correct definitions at the press of the button instead of quibbling about them?Corvus

    Presenting someone with a correct definition will look like quibbling to a person who is using the word a different way. It's not like the AI described itself as quibbling -- don't forget the principle of untrustworthy narrator.
  • Corvus
    2.4k
    Presenting someone with a correct definition will look like quibbling to a person who is using the word a different way.flannel jesus
    Sure, it can be done.
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