• Benkei
    5k
    And we again have nothing. Carbon offsetting is a tool to allow polluting countries to continue to pollute instead of cutting emissions. What a surprise when the two largest polluters align on the subject (anyone happy with the US - China declaration needs to get a primer on international relations). Meanwhile, they will fuck around with the method of carbon accounting to allow effective increases in emissions. We're fucked, obviously, but then I didn't expect them to solve this anyway.

    Let's hope awareness continues to spread and that businesses, investors and consumers continue to make better choices so that environmental friendly products are no longer optional but necessary to survive as a company.
  • Bitter Crank
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    Indeed.

    Somebody -- don't remember who -- said we must stop talking about 2030, 2050, or 2100. No more 5 year plans. The movers and shakers need to be held to a time horizon of a year out, at the most. Better, "What are you doing RIGHT NOW?"

    If their piles of money were burning, they wouldn't talk about future plans to reduce the fire. They would swing into action with big hoses IMMEDIATELY. No such urgency for the future of the planet.
  • ssu
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    Let's hope awareness continues to spread and that businesses, investors and consumers continue to make better choices so that environmental friendly products are no longer optional but necessary to survive as a company.Benkei
    People do make the link from the political leadership to the economic performance: if the economy is bad, it's the fault of the politicians. People don't make this link with the climate or weather... especially when it's trend that matters, not individual specific years.

    It may be too much to ask (as people do take the climate and weather as an act of God), but should we start similarly check the performance of our politicians as with the economy?
  • StreetlightX
    8k
    Doing more for the climate in a day than COP26 could achieve in eons.


    "Zianna and Hannah abseiled off coal handling machinery this morning at Newcastle coal port. This is the tenth consecutive day in a row Blockade Australia has shut down the worlds largest coal port!

    “We are here to challenge the ruling order of domination and exploitation that is buckling our life support systems. Australia has been deliberately designed, and it needs to be deliberately confronted. We must create true decision-making power over our lives through scaling up offensive direct action and resist injustice where power operates on the ground.”

    “Another system is possible and we know that because one existed on this continent for tens of thousands of years. It is now our duty to defend the biosphere that gives us life and to every person that Australia has forgotten and ignored”.
  • Xtrix
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    Stupid kid activists.
  • StreetlightX
    8k
    I love how that you're so triggered that when I post news of Biden being shit or people actually doing good in the world all you can think to do is shitpost. Go post some flyers for Biden, "socialist". Then cry more about how people aren't voting for your favourite capitalist scum.
  • Xtrix
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    people actually doing goodStreetlightX

    No— stupid activists. Probably voted against Trump to boot.
  • StreetlightX
    8k
    Yes the Australians probably voted against Trump. Very good.

    The same Australians who highlighted "not choosing the give away political agency to a symbolic demonstration every four years".
  • Xtrix
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    My bad— just stupid activists then.
  • StreetlightX
    8k
    I'm a big fan. Probably because they don't reduce activism to 'petitioning those in power to act on their behalf' - and in fact actively disavow that sense of activism. Although activism is still a silly word mostly used by the media and liberals to enact a tidy little cordon sanitaire around political action.
  • Xtrix
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    Probably because they don't reduce activism to 'petitioning those in power to act on their behalf'StreetlightX

    Not reducing, no. But that’s exactly what they’re doing.
  • StreetlightX
    8k
    But that’s exactly what they’re doing.Xtrix

    Oh dear. Looks like someone's never heard of direct action, nor can they recognize it when staring at it in the face. Some homework for you.
  • Xtrix
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    direct actionStreetlightX

    Is an abstraction -- one of many types of activism.
  • StreetlightX
    8k
    I love that it is inconceivable to you that anyone can do anything that isn't sucking up to power.
  • Xtrix
    2.9k
    Petitioning is another abstraction and one of many types of activism, yes.
  • Xtrix
    2.9k
    sucking up to power.StreetlightX

    Oh ok, I get it now. Only direct action counts as "activism." Cool. :up:

    MLK was a real suck up to power, too.
  • StreetlightX
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    MLK was a real suck up to power, too.Xtrix

    Ah yes, MLK, famous democratic party activist, known best for his electioneering and campaign contributions.
  • Xtrix
    2.9k


    Ohh so he was an activist, didn't engage solely in direct action, but he's OK because he didn't "electioneer" and give "campaign contributions." Got it. So not a "suck up to power."
  • ssu
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    And then the reality check of what the true policies are:

    President Joe Biden, concerned that gasoline prices at a seven-year high are stoking inflation in America, has called on the 23-nation alliance (OPEC) to turn on the taps and bring down crude prices.

    But perhaps a response to this more in line with COP26?

    Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates signaled OPEC+ will continue raising oil output cautiously and won’t bow to U.S. pressure to pump faster. - OPEC+, led by Saudi Arabia and Russia, is currently increasing daily output by 400,000 barrels per month.

    “That should be enough,” UAE Energy Minister Suhail Al Mazrouei said in an interview in Abu Dhabi, where he’s attending the ADIPEC oil and gas conference.

    The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and partners next meet on Dec. 2. Crude prices have climbed around 60% this year to more than $80 a barrel, with several energy executives and leaders such as Vladimir Putin saying they could get to $100.
  • Xtrix
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    So to possibly close out this thread, I think it’s safe to say that not only was COP26 a complete failure, but did more harm.

    Worth taking another look at the poll — most were correct, in the end.
  • Agent Smith
    1.2k
    This is the dilemma: Stop polluting OR stop developing.

    I want to lay the blame on someone but we're all family, I don't wanna do that! You want us all to die together? :ok: :heart:
  • Xtrix
    2.9k


    I'd never heard of this guy before seeing this, so thanks for that at least.
  • Agent Smith
    1.2k
    The problem with climate action is that if the appropriate steps were taken, the result would be a global economic meltdown. The aftermath of this :point: What if the internet went offline for 24 hours?, is a trailer of what would ensue from climate action!
  • ssu
    4.9k
    The problem with climate action is that if the appropriate steps were taken, the result would be a global economic meltdown.Agent Smith
    Actual appropriate steps would be more of investments in the "Manhattan project" -scale to tackle climate issues and simply get non-fossil fuels and energy to be cheaper than fossil fuels. Then things would change rapidly. But otherwise we just create a mess.

    But too many times the offered woke answer is that "we have to dramatically cut everything" and other silly but good sounding policies that don't care at all how complex the world is. The juxtaposition between an effective response to climate change and "the economy" isn't actually correct.
  • Xtrix
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    The problem with climate action is that if the appropriate steps were taken, the result would be a global economic meltdown.Agent Smith

    This stupid statement is like something out of Don’t Look Up.
  • Agent Smith
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    This stupid statement is like something out of Don’t Look Up.Xtrix

    You're the resident genius, eh? :lol:

    Jokes aside, what's "stupid" about it, o wise one?
  • Xtrix
    2.9k


    Forget it. Go back to sleep. You’re right: economic collapse. Thank God you’re here to save the economy. True, without a livable planet there is no economy— but no matter. Carry on.
  • Agent Smith
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    Forget it. Go back to sleep. You’re right: economic collapse. Thank God you’re here to save the economy. True, without a livable planet there is no economy— but no matter. Carry onXtrix

    Don't be coy. Educate me. I'm an avid learner, to the extent possible. I'm serious. Why is what I said "stupid"?
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