• Joshs
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    Matter is what there is. Things.

    Information is patterns. Facts.

    The relation is that of choosing. Pointing out.
    bongo fury

    Perhaps things are only there in an interaction between subject and object pole. More specifically , perhaps what is there directly for us isn’t a thing but a sense. We don’t see things directly. A thing is a higher level construction. As far as sense is concerned, because it only appears to us as an intentional act, it isn’t simply there independently of us , so that is a patterned or formal aspect to sense.
  • bongo fury
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    A thing is a higher level construction.Joshs

    In what respect higher?
  • Harry Hindu
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    Once you accept that mind is informational, then the question "How does matter relate to mind?" can be reformulated as two:

    1. How does matter relate to information?
    2. How does information relate to mind?

    These questions are associative: answer both, and you answer "How does matter relate to mind?"
    hypericin

    Matter is information. Better yet, matter is the form information takes.

    I think the problem lies more in the idea of substances - that matter and mind are different substances, hence the problem of dualism and how they interact. But then, what is a substance? To resolve the problem, we think of them as the same substance - information.

    The brain is not an information processing body, any more than the stomach is. The brain is biological, it works by electrochemical and other biological mechanisms. When you've explained the biological mechanisms, that's it, there isn't anything left for "information" to do.Daemon
    Information informs. What else is there for information to do?
  • Marchesk
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    I'm familiar with the first, and happy to grant their existence. "Information generators" and "information experiencers" I've not heard of, but am intrigued, and ready to learn.bongo fury

    What comes in from the environment is noise. The nervous system turns this into information in terms of perception and cognition. Perceptions and cognitions can also be experienced. You see a red coffee cop, taste its smooth, mild bitterness, and think of how you need to go to the store and buy some more.
  • bongo fury
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    That's fine, as poetry.
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