To the degree they are interesting (i.e. unfamiliar), I agree.People Are Lovely — Amity
As I've pointed out already ...Can a number have an application to matter and yet have no connection to matter? — ucarr
In this sense, I think so: a map is an abstraction from aspects of the terrain (e.g. regularities of nature) that is instantiated in some other aspect of the terrain (e.g. observers' brains-discursive practices).Does a map have some type of relationship _connection with/to terrain?
Syphilis.↪NOS4A2
You're kind of likeSisyphus— frank
Well, imo, that's because both are pseudo-problems generated (mostly) by 'philosophical grammar' and not themselves scientific, or empirical, problems. Re: embodied metacognition (+ property dualism) contra disembodied "consciousness" or "will". :sparkle:the hard problem of consciousness and free will [will] not go away — Jack Cummins
So what? For the sake of this discussion, only what we – you and I – think about these topics is relevant no matter how informed we might be by other sources. Stop hedging and think things through for yourself. :chin:various authors use the idea differently
Many of the important thinkers were speculating
may be insufficient
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Not "useful" at all as far as I can tell. Scientific research can inform, even solve, empirical problems but cannot definitively answer philosophical questions (i.e. aporia) or "debates". I think the most rational-pragmatic proposal that reframes this "debate" is compatibilism (i.e. imo, embodied – degrees of freedom – volition ).How useful is this area of brain research to the debate between free will and determinism? — Jack Cummins
No they don't. As I wrote: formalisms ARE USED to measure or describe the regularities of nature (e.g. arithmetic IS USED to count apples in a barrel).Formalisms measure regularities of nature. — ucarr
False. Stop shadowboxing with your strawmen, you're further confusing yourself.you also say formalisms do = regularities of nature. — ucarr
:up: :up:In fact, when you get right down to brass taxes, who's doing much rational thinking at all that leads to anything concrete? We do plenty of post hoc rationalizing to make us feel good about our irrational behaviour though. — Baden
Map-making does not "contradict" using[/u] a map for navigating terrain..Why are these two statements not a contradiction? — ucarr
The regularities of nature are concrete matters of fact from which physical laws are generalized (i.e. abstracted) physical. I haven't claimed or implied otherwise.Why are "regularities of nature" not concrete matters of fact?
Where are you getting this? This question has nothing to do with what I've argued.How are "matters of fact" concrete but not empirical?
Incoherent strawman. Formalisms, like numbers, do not have "interests", persons who use them in specific contexts of meaning have "interests".If self-descriptions ("formalisms...do not refer beyond themselves") have nothing to do with the world (nature), instead being interested only in themselves, how are they meaningful and useful?
No....that physical laws are computable does not entail that the physical universe is a computer.
— 180 Proof
Does this argument cast doubt on whether we can know reality beyond its human translation? — ucarr
Idk what you mean by "translations".Are the disciplines of epistemology and ontology merely products of human translations?
No. The senses don't lie, only how we mis/interpret (mis/use) our senses lies to us (vide Epicurus et al).Is Platonic Realism correct: humans dwell within a (cognitive) dark cave, sealed off from direct and complete experience of reality?
I do not know. Either outcome is possible.Can we hope to eventually reason beyond the current state-of-the-art observations limited by imprecision of measurement and incompleteness of decompression? Or is it the case the limited measurements of the wave function and the limited decompression of axiomatic systems reflectexistentiallimitationsembedded in[of] nature?
Possibly.Now perhaps we come to a crux of the faceoff between the sciences and the humanities. If the observer is always entangled with the observed, does that mean the two great modalities of discovery: the what and the what it’s like of the what are linked by the biconditional operator?
So even before they had announced JD Vance ...... batshit RFK, Jr replaces fake-redneck JD Vance as VP canditate in MAGA-GOP bait-n-switch (instigated by Kelly Ann Conway) in the days or weeks to come. — 180 Proof
The only obsession everyone wants: 'love'. People think that in falling in love they make themselves whole? The Platonic union of souls? I think otherwise. I think you're whole before you begin. And the love fractures you. You're whole and then you're cracked open.
Only when you fuck is everything that you dislike in life and everythiing by which you are defeated in life purely, if momentarily, revenged. Only then are you most cleanly alive and most cleanly yourself. It's not the sex that's the corruption – it's the rest. Sex isn't just friction and shallow fun.
Sex is also the revenge on death.
Don't forget death. Don't ever forget it. Yes, sex too is limited in its power. I know very well how limited. But tell me, what power is greater? — Philip Roth
:up: It seems to me, (Abrahamic / Dharmic) religions are just Bronze Age variations on psychoanalysis memorialized in Iron Age manuals and rituals.Like religion, which says we are all sinners who need god to be saved, psychology can sometimes fall into the trap of saying we are all bungled and need insight through treatment. — Tom Storm
So what? In the context of my replies to your last few posts, that's another non sequitur.Logic that has meaning and works always assumes the interaction between a human and the marks on the paper: — ucarr
Stop. This confuses empiricism with formalism – nonsense (i.e. logic is not "doing work").... for any system that does work, as it goes forward in the systematic process of doing work, the work builds up complexity of detail. This building up of complexity can be observed in two modes: phenomenal (entropy) and epistemic (logic). — ucarr
More nonsense. Formalisms (axiomatic or otherwise) are abstract and therefore do not refer beyond themselves to concrete matters of fact (e.g. entropy), rather they are used as syntax for methods of precisely measuring / describing the regularities of nature. That syntax is fundamentally incomplete / undecidable (re: Gödel / Chaitin) says nothing about nature, only about the (apparently) limits of (our) rationality. In other words, that physical laws are computable does not entail that the physical universe is a computer.This leads to the conclusionthat axiomatic systems are a form of compression of complexity and that the increase of complexity is an irreversible process.
Since 1967 the US/Nato-backed, land-thieving colonist-settler oppressor regime is "threatened" by the apartheid-brutalized oppressed whom the oppressor regime systematically slaughters and further displaces with indiscriminate collective punishment for "terrorism" by violent religious extremists (i.e. Islamists? Zionists?) ... backed for decades by the oppressor regime in order to preserve the "threat" by preventing – eliminating the possibility of – a "Two State" peace. History teaches: more often than not, oppressors with everything to lose by continuing to oppress have much more to "worry" about than the oppressed with nearly less than nothing to lose – e.g. Rhodesia, Vietnam, Algeria, South Africa, Saint-Domingue, Cuba, Eritrea, N. Ireland, etc – from the river to the sea! :fire:That is cause for worry. — BitconnectCarlos
No doubt only "poorly educated" "suckers & losers". :mask:Still overvalued by about $19.50. Who buys these shit sandwiches? — unenlightened
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Nope. https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/929175Are you proceeding from the premise causal relationships are not fundamental in nature? — ucarr
"Uncertainty" is epistemic, "incompleteness" is mathematical and "entropy" is physical. I don't think they are related at a deeper – "foundational" – level unless Max Tegmark's MUH is the case. :chin:Is there a foundational relationship between uncertainty, incompleteness and entropy? — ucarr
If you haven't already, read Iris Murdoch's short book The Sovereignty of Good wherein she discusses 'beauty (art) as a way of seeing – attention to – reality' and therefore (an unorthodox) Platonic approach to moral judgment.Murdo[ch] shows how Plato also sees art as being focused on pleasures as opposed to enlightenment. — Jack Cummins