Words physically move through the air to ear drums. Intentions do not. — AmadeusD

I think you mean to say that sounds move through the air to ear drums. Words do not. Right?

Your stoicism compelled you to spend time, search my name and Biden’s. I love living rent free. — NOS4A2

That took seconds, the hard part was deciding on an EO graph. And stoicism has been out for ages. I’m a Nietzschean now. Will to power, baby! :strong:

They will pick one misplaced word in my post, attack that, and pat themselves on the back while lauding their personal 'courage'. — Jeremy Murray

You misspelled progpagandist.

Your underhanded attempts to insult are keenly noted, Athena. Ironic to the nth. Particularly when you do not have the gall to actually tag me or address me directly - addressing a third party with your thoughts about one is a sure-fire sign you are not emotionally intelligent. — AmadeusD

The @ symbol in front of your name shows the intention to tag you. Must be a technical glitch that the link isn’t working.

And btw, didn’t you say before that words can be given or are you walking that back also?

I guess it’s an inside joke.

I think that is an example of poor emotional intelligence. — Athena

At core it seems to imply that an individual is an independent being. Nothing could be further from the truth.

@NOS4A2

The first post listed in the search for your mentioning "Biden" (743 instances) is your protesting his excessive use of executive orders...

Biden has been signing EO’s like a madman. He has almost signed as many EO’s in his first two weeks as FDR did in his first month. According to Biden’s own words this is dictator shit.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/03/963380189/with-28-executive-orders-signed-president-biden-is-off-to-a-record-start

But who cares? At least he doesn’t make mean tweets. — NOS4A2

Yet you think "all forms of protest are stupid."

Oh, and:


It would be smart of you to protest Trump's excessive use of executive orders also.

I just did a search and there are 743 instances of you mentioning Biden on this public forum. I didn't read any of the posts listed but I assume they express some disapproval or objection.

Thou doth protest too much, methinks.

I just thought it would be funny in a dumb sort of way if you were to defend flag burning as a form of protest like Trump's opponents. Don't mind me.

You’re against the right to safely burn a flag that you own as a form of protest? What other liberties are you against?

They might find it stifling, but it does not seem to follow from this alone that it is necessarily better for those who do find it stifling to act contrary to systems of "external values" in virtue of this fact. It seems that, in at least some cases, it is better to for those who feel stifled to learn to appreciate and enjoy what at first seems stifling. For example, the music student or person learning the art of painting might find their instruction initially stifling, and yet it may help to make them more excellent, and they may learn to love what they have initialy learned under some duress. — Count Timothy von Icarus

There is no escaping the weight of external values, and every student at first confronts the limits of their own abilities. Yet instruction, when it accords with a person’s nature, can serve as a catalyst for self-realization rather than a constraint. What becomes stifling—perhaps in the sense that DE intends—is when a spirit is bent against its grain: when, for instance, one who is inwardly a musician is compelled to devote themselves to science, sculpture, or some discipline for which they feel no inner drive.

It perhaps makes "putting power on a pedestal" less obviously bad (if one judges more conventional, liberal notions of power bad, or at least not desirable in themselves).

To be clear, I was sort of asking if placing high value on wtp or creativity, self-overcoming, and life-affirmation has a downside or will reliably result in meaning.

I haven't determined how meaningful it is to me yet. I'm defiantly interested.

How so?

My feeling about it is inaccurate?

Can you point out an inaccuracy?

Meaning you don't use limits as resistance to grow stronger and simply quit when you've hit your limit?

attempting to struggle through it is ignoring your higher drives. — DifferentiatingEgg

So rather than struggle you always quit when faced with a challenge that interests you?

How so?

Very Nietzschean of you to encourage quitting. :lol:

I didn’t say anything about creating yourself.

I was talking about this:

I guess I'm just hella confused about this:

I would feel better about it if lead to greater meaning (creativity, self-overcoming, and life affirmation) than the conventional definition of power. I can’t say how I feel more plainly than that.
— praxis

Because that's essentially what will to power is... — DifferentiatingEgg

You seem to be saying that wtp is essentially my feeling better about it if it lead to greater meaning (creativity, self-overcoming, and life affirmation) than the conventional definition of power.

Again I’m no expert but I don’t think will to power is defined by my feeling better about it than the conventional definition of power.

The will to power isn't about Coveting power. — DifferentiatingEgg

I didn’t suggest that it was.

I would feel better about it if lead to greater meaning (creativity, self-overcoming, and life affirmation) than the conventional definition of power. I can’t say how I feel more plainly than that.

Will to power may be a metaphysical claim about the structure of existence, but for me it only carries weight if it is also experientially meaningful—can be embodied as a lifestyle.

Would you feel better about the Nietzschean notion of power if you saw it as radically distinct from its conventional definitions? — Joshs

Does anyone feel better about the Nietzschean notion of power—embodying it as a lifestyle?

Meaning you’re fully onboard with conservative branding?



That’s Viktor Orbán, btw. He was a rockstar at CPAC.

That’s brand infringement, dude.

Ya feel? — DifferentiatingEgg

No, but I’m only on chapter 7 of Zarath so I’m not fluent in uber-speak.

It seems that Nietzschean values place power (self-overcoming) on a pedestal, perhaps slavishly.

Gotta take the “uber” out of it - too inequitable. “Trans-uber” isn’t woke.
“Trans-ber-mensch”, is better. Maybe go “she-ber-mensch” for the female/male hybrid version. — Fire Ologist

I don’t get DifferentiatingEgg‘s woke as lived experience thing, but the culture war is fully last man standing in a puddle of piss. That I get.

“I say unto you: one must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. I say unto you: you still have chaos in yourselves. Where is the lightning to lick you with its tongue? Where is the frenzy with which you should be inoculated? Behold, I give you the Trans-Übermensch. They are this lightning. They are this frenzy.”

My view hasn’t changed, though it might have if you didn’t ignore the following the first time I posted it.

"…the woke see advertising beer as a perfectly reasonable place to teach their ideological lessons." This phrasing, which conflates ‘the woke,’ corporate advertising, and the political left more generally, collapses distinct ideas into a single caricature and reflects partisan rhetoric more than independent analysis.

It’s a simple point that I think is true about wokeness, and is at the heart of why the anti-woke dislike wokeness. — Fire Ologist

I agree that anti-woke rhetoric has been very influential.

Show a little wokeism self-reflection. — Fire Ologist

Now you’re saying that I’m not showing reflection. You’ve been claiming that I haven’t reflected.

But you are not really talking about the content of what I’m saying either, you are just saying things like I “must be influenced by MAGA.” — Fire Ologist

Not true. I quoted you directly and analyzed the substance and phrasing, pointing out how it reflects partisan rhetoric. I’ve reflected partisan rhetoric in this thread as well. I don’t know why it would be difficult for anyone to admit doing this.

Do you think the marketing team conversations were really all about sales? Is that your serious analysis? You don’t think the Anheuser Team, or the Bud Light division wasn’t taking an ideological stand? You really think they were only selling beer? Of course they convinced themselves it would make them money and it would be good for the brand - but they were total idiots then. More likely they were blinded by ideological preaching and thought they were preaching to enough choir to feel good all around. — Fire Ologist

You said you agreed with AmadeusD’s view that Bud Light’s campaign was "a cynical attempt at identity politics for sales point percentage," even though I had pointed out that your stance on this seemed different.

Anyway, not important of course, just a curiosity.

Again, you are not reflecting on wokeism. — Fire Ologist

I know you've said that before and I've ignored it—your meaning wasn’t clear. You have my attention now if you'd like to explain how I'm failing to reflect on Wokeism. What have I said that shows a lack of reflection?

unobservant — Fire Ologist

You’ve engaged extensively with this topic, and the influence on your perspective is quite apparent. Take your most recent post, for example, where you wrote, "the woke see advertising beer as a perfectly reasonable place to teach their ideological lessons." This phrasing, which conflates ‘the woke,’ corporate advertising, and the political left more generally, collapses distinct ideas into a single caricature and reflects partisan rhetoric more than independent analysis.

Anheuser-Busch is in the business of selling beer to make money, not of teaching ideological lessons—casting its marketing decisions as ideologically motivated is a partisan rhetorical move, not a serious analysis.

The 2016 “Bud Light Party” featured a trans man in the ad campaign. That was before the anti-woke MAGA moment was in full swing however so the ad drew little backlash.

I wonder if @Fire Ologist and others will acknowledge how much they’ve been influenced by the MAGA anti-woke movement.

You two seem to not be in agreement. AmadeusD claims the campaign was criticized because people believed the company was using Dylan Mulvaney’s trans identity as a marketing gimmick—a calculated play for sales—rather than an authentic show of support. You're claiming it was criticized for being preachy.

Better, although you were starting from a rather low bar.

Your essay, which is related to the topic, is interesting and I’m glad to have read it. Thanks for sending.

Saying 'he' instead of 'she' when someone is demonstrably male is a hate crime, if reported as such. Its "woke" writ large. — AmadeusD

In 2023 nearly 97% of these hate crimes were violent (assaults, aggravated assaults, even attempted murder).

Assault in California is legally defined as “an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.” This means three things must be present:

• A willful act that would likely result in the application of force,
• The person acted knowing a reasonable person would realize such force could result, and
• The person had the ability to actually carry out the force at the time.

Verbal abuse doesn’t qualify as assault. You’ll have to try harder to downplay violence against trans people.