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  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    religious belief is not rationally refutableJanus

    So if I contrive some silly religion no one can rationally refute it?
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.


    You apparently rely heavily on authority figures like Russell so perhaps you’re a good candidate for religiosity and not so inclined to think for yourself.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.


    I was guessing, not reporting… oh, okay.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.


    Maybe I can answer for you. You’re not religious because you have no faith in any religious doctrine or religious authorities that you know of.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    Because I am not religious. Why would I be? Presumably you think that if someone reasons to the conclusion God exists, they will then think 'well, I better go join a religion'. Why would I do that? How does one get from 'God exists' to 'the bible is correct about everything' or 'the Koran is correct about everything'?? Maybe they are or one of them is - but it is not implied by the argument on whose basis I believe in God.Bartricks

    You don’t need to presume what I think in order to answer what I asked. That you can’t answer suggests that you don’t understand the subject matter well enough to formulate an answer beyond I’m not religious because I’m not religious.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    And faith isn't necessary to be religious. Perhaps this claim confuses you and sounds like it might contradict my claim not to be religious - it would sound like that to the dumb.Bartricks

    I asked why you aren’t religious. Perhaps you’re too dumb to answer.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    What are you on about? I am not religious. I believe in God. I am not religious.Bartricks

    Why aren’t you religious?

    I’ll quote you again for the third time:

    But the idea that faith is 'required' for religion is absurd. — Bartricks

    We may need no more faith in God than chatting with them at the local pub. They may be as plainly real as anyone or anything else. No “faith” required. Religion, on the other hand, is a different matter.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    Did you read anything I said?Bartricks

    Yes. Oddities sometimes attract my attention.

    You wrote:
    But the idea that faith is 'required' for religion is absurd.

    Significantly, your claim is about faith in relation to religion. It’s as though you cannot separate the concepts of religion and God. I will attempt to help you with that.

    Imagine that on some lazy afternoon you’re performing your most popular tricks at the local pub and **SHABANG** a giant Rastafarian woman materializes in the barstool next to you. All the other bar patrons are like, “Wow, good trick, Bartricks!” You’re dumbfounded, of course, not knowing what’s going on. You timidly say hello to the giant woman. She explains that she is God and just dropped in for a pint of Guinness. Everyone being skeptical of her claim, she proceeds to perform various acts that convince even the most skeptical of her claim.

    You then ask her, “So all that stuff in the Bible is true?”

    “No, that’s all bullcrap, man. I created the universe to grow ganja.”, she confided.

    Religion?
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    But the idea that faith is 'required' for religion is absurd.Bartricks

    Faith is a requirement in religion because followers need to be dependent on their authority figures (those who tell the followers what to believe).
  • Is the Philosophy Forum "Woke" and Politically correct?
    My view is best reflected in the quote below, but it is apparently not shared by many on here:

    “There is not a truth existing which I fear, or would wish unknown to the whole world.” — Thomas Jefferson
    Gladiator of Truth

    Whatdabout the truth of who fathered Sally Hemings's children? :joke:
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.


    According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.

    If there's any truth to that it's far worse than any religious fanaticism I've ever heard of.

    All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organization are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class.

    Seemed to be entirely motivated by a grab for power/control.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.


    From Wikipedia:
    As an adult, Napoleon was a deist, believing in an absent and distant God. However, he had a keen appreciation of the power of organized religion in social and political affairs, and he paid a great deal of attention to bending it to his purposes. He noted the influence of Catholicism's rituals and splendors.

    Looks like he may have known how to effectively use religion. No wonder he was successful.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    Fanaticism and lack of judgement is as bad in religion as it is in politics and all areas of life. And atheists can be as fanatical as theists even though they may not admit it or even not be aware of it.Apollodorus

    For example?
  • Trump reinstatement
    If imbeciles believe he’s on the verge of being reinstated they’re more likely to donate, I imagine.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    Nothing to get upset about.Apollodorus

    Each year over 3 million children die from hunger and undernutrition. The current rate of extinction of species is estimated at 100 to 1,000 times higher than natural background extinction rates. Climate change will significantly 'disturb the order of the world'.

    Indeed none of this seems to upset you or your God.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.


    You said “His job is to govern the universe and keep the human race and other creatures under control, not to be nice to people.

    If he’s controlling us then history is being made according to God’s plan. I’m just saying that it appears to be a really really shitty plan.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    His job is to govern the universe and keep the human race and other creatures under control, not to be nice to people.Apollodorus

    Letting us have world wars with millions killed, trash the planet, and cause mass extinctions of “other creatures” is God’s way of controlling us? It’s all part of The Plan, you say? Seems like a really shitty plan.
  • The Shoutbox
    If Trump admits he’s not running in 2024 he’ll get a lot less donations, I imagine.
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    True, people aren't God. But people say that God gave them the laws according to which they act.Apollodorus

    How very convenient. :wink:
  • Belief in god is necessary for being good.
    If we take God to be the supreme Good, then being good is acting in harmony with God.Apollodorus

    Unfortunately God doesn’t say how to act, people say how to act, and people aren’t God (supreme Good).
  • A philosopher's insulting compliment
    I'd like an example of a crazy/insane philosopher. The heresiarchs of the old days, those who questioned institutional reality (Christian cosmogony) with original hypotheses were possibly insane/corrupt by the standards of the time, but there was great pay off for future generations.Nils Loc

    Socrates gadflying in public, totally cray cray.
  • The Shoutbox
    Thanks to Brexit, Americans have moved past the notion that the posh British accent denotes higher intelligenceMaw

    Kinda like a reverse Pygmalion.

  • The cultural climate in the contemporary West - Thoughts?
    A quick glance at a few of the videos gave me the impression that the Academy of Ideas is the brainchild of some Koch brothers think tank, designed to promote traditional values and glorify the individual so that working class folk will be less likely to get uppity (unionize or whatever). Insidious.
  • The cultural climate in the contemporary West - Thoughts?
    Don’t worry, modern artist still paint depressing pictures like this...

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  • The Shoutbox


    Nice cinematography.
  • Polosophy
    {{{You}}} < virtual hugg with extra squeezesArguingWAristotleTiff

    Hey, whooooooa, watch were you’re squeez’n there lady! I’ll have to conflate Trump and alien bioweapons more often. :razz:
  • The Deadend, and the Wastelands of Philosophy and Culture
    Philosophy is like painting: there has been no progress since the cave painting of prehistory {as Picasso I think said}.unenlightened

    He only said that because he couldn't paint like Sargent.

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  • The Shoutbox


    Good day to you, Madam.
  • The Shoutbox
    I know, that's why I'm not a dumper Trumper :razz:3017amen

    The fundamental difference is that, like Trump clan, y’all value other shit over truth.
  • The Shoutbox
    Certainly not interested in another politically lost election where the loser cries foul over the judge's rulings.3017amen

    Trumpians never concede, and I predict that you never will also.
  • Polosophy
    Like Trumps twitter account or an alien bioweapon.

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  • The Shoutbox
    Though mockery may be lacking in civility, it may not fester the receivers instability. Speaking of which, the Einstein topic was closed so there’s no place to ridicule @3017amen for chickening out of his “debate” with 180. Maybe we should attribute his even entertaining the possibility of debating 180 to the Dunning-Kruger effect and call it good.
  • Einstein, Religion and Atheism
    A little atmosphere.

  • An Innocent Mind
    How can such a burdened human ever be free to meet a new unknown moment. — “skyblack”

    Act like a bear and fight or flee.

    The first signs of a failure of intelligence and affection is to fixate on the author/poster rather than the topic/what they are saying.skyblack

    In this case you chose to flee, however, you’re not a bear, you’re apparently an intellectually dishonest human being who lacks the integrity to answer a very relevant question.

    If OP is corrupt then whatever OP says is corrupting.
  • Is Stoicism a better guide to living than Christianity
    No I meant Harris' ongoing discussion about wellbeing as the foundation for morality. He also uses human flourishing.Tom Storm

    I think they call it utilitarianism.
  • Is Stoicism a better guide to living than Christianity
    What constitutes 'wellbeing' and please no Sam Harris...Tom Storm

    Sam Harris is a stoic?

    Well-being in the stoic sense is often referred to as eudaemonia.

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