This is a genuine thing, not my suggesting something about you - if you're willing to see Charlie for what he actually was, and see his utterances in context and without specious commentary, you may find this interesting. It was one factor that made me realise my understanding of Kirk as hateful was woefully inaccurate. It is an analysis from a Christian perspective, which is important - but also from a Kirk critic (in his lifetim). — AmadeusD

"You hear that William Thomas? You're an abomination to God."
–– Charlie Kirk

Assuming he is 'wrong' is anti-philosophical. — I like sushi

Christians believe we are all, every single one (not just Jews and believes but all human beings), God’s children. — Fire Ologist

I have a theory that the driving force behind progressivism is compassion. Therefore, progressives who have no compassion are fooling themselves. They're just trying to own the higher moral ground without the morality to go with it.

True? — frank

Sometimes trolls try really hard to get you to respond to them. Toxic stuff. — frank

“There is no place in our country for this kind of violence. It must end now. Jill and I are praying for Charlie Kirk’s family and loved ones.”
–– Joe Biden on X

"A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away, together with his wife, Michele, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people CRAZY by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump Administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness, and with the Golden Age of America upon us, perhaps like never before. May Rob and Michele rest in peace!"
–– Donald Trump on Truth Social

I mean, Biden literally, more than one, suggested he would try to physically assault Trump if given the chance, and not a President. — AmadeusD

You are not a good faith interlocutor — AmadeusD

I don't see a lack of compassion on either side. — AmadeusD

...and I should add that although the modern mind balks at the explicit claim, "Everyone who is X is good and everyone who is not is bad" (even though that claim is constantly being made implicitly), the formula itself is not the problem. The problem is a superficial X. For example, Aristotle's X would be "just, temperate, prudent, and courageous," and it is precisely the complexity and robustness of the cardinal virtues that make such an X plausible. "Compassion" is too one-dimensional to serve that role. — Leontiskos

Yet, whatever else the drug lord is, they aren't one of Nietzsche's "Last Men." Walter's story is partially the tale of a man transcending Last Manhood through crime. The point isn't so much the crime, as this transcending motion. — Count Timothy von Icarus

Harry could never get past seeing language as nothing but reference — Banno

You might ask yourself why his supporters saw him in that position.
— praxis

The majority did not, … — AmadeusD

but to the extend that they did it's because the saw themselves constantly attacked for having reasonable opinions and he spoke to that. — AmadeusD

In fact, a democrat did a dive into his videos and found that his only examples of personal name-calling were about himself. — AmadeusD

As it happens, as a subscriber to Vervaeke's mailing list, his most recent missive was about 'spiritual but not religious'. — Wayfarer

Your view of hte world seems to be derived from your personal wishes and not reality. — AmadeusD

This leads to a question: is it possible to believe that religions are all not wrong, without believing that they are all right? Or is the idea that they are neither wrong not right, but are merely helpful or unhelpful stories? Then we might ask how a religion could be helpful or unhelpful. — Janus

I think most religion is more about feeling connected to the possibility of an afterlife than about feeling connected to life. — Janus

He doesn't say that at all, from what I've read and heard, which is a quite a lot. In the Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, he gives space to religious figures such as Augustine, Aquinas, Luther and Tillich, to name a few - from a critical perspective, to be sure, but certainly not from the perspective of religions being wrong. If you can find anything from him which says that, I'll revise my view. — Wayfarer

You can see Vervaeke kind of wrestling with religious questions - he's upfront about having been born into a fairly dysfunctional fundamentalist family and his rejection of that. But he dialogues with philosophers of religion and theologians - William Desmond, D C Schindler, many others. In his quest to articulate the meaning of 'wisdom' he does grapple with religious ideas, but from many different perspectives and traditions. — Wayfarer

Hmm. While I do not think Kirk ever did this - yes, that's right. So does Kamala, Seder, Maddow, Tiedrich, Reich etc.. etc.. — AmadeusD

make a claim in my DMs — AmadeusD

People are really stupid and (as it seems you are quite disposed to do) actually look for things to get upset about... — AmadeusD

A bigot like Kirk didn’t merely think trans are wrong or misguided as you mistakenly suggest; he consider them abominations. It's not just 'you are wrong,' but 'you should not exist.'
— praxis

You genuinely seem unable to stick to reality. So I shall pass on further engagement here. — AmadeusD

I'm glad you are enjoying it. When you finish shoot me an , I'd love to get your impressions. There's a lot to it. — Manuel

This is the disconnect. That I find it strange you are unable to see. — Outlander

You cannot present anything that could support your position.

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I mainly watched his clips to find ways to understand how the in fuck people found it worthy their time to be so dishonest, hateful and frankly stupid as to call him things like ;'bigot', 'Nazi' etc... — AmadeusD

It was actually Nietzsche who argued this in "Geaneology of Morality", that "the good people"[virtuous] are just the powerful weak-willed masters/slaves imposing what is "good" on the basis of what is good for them. — ProtagoranSocratist

That is hateful, given it's not true. But that's...yknow. Your opinion man. — AmadeusD

My take on this---which I think is fairly consistent with Jamal as we've just had an exchange in the mod forum---is, as I said there:

"We allow proofreading in the guidelines. But we also more or less say if the proofreading moves too far into editing and then rewriting and therefore makes your text look AI generated, that's a risk you run. I would agree it's similar to grammarly in a way, but AI can sometimes take it too far. So, yes, it's not against the rules in itself, but I don't know why people can't just live with a bit of clunky writing. It will save us wondering about whether or not its AI gen'd and maintain their quirky indviduality." — Baden