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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I'm doing well. I only had to look up three things in your answer. :smile:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    After Trump is gone they will still be there. And if we keep ignoring their concerns and calling them idiots they will find somebody else to vote for other than us.Nuke

    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    If we want to understand Trump voters, we could start by trying to understand ourselves. Why are we clinging to polarization? Why do we so enjoy having an enemy? Why are we so drawn to the endless repetition of superiority poses? These are things we can work on which don't depend on anybody else.Nuke

    Eric Hoffer, in a book called True Believer, wrote ......extremist cultural movements, whether religious, social, or national, arise when large numbers of frustrated people, believing their own individual lives to be worthless or spoiled, join a movement demanding radical change. But the real attraction for this population is an escape from the self, not a realization of individual hopes: "A mass movement attracts and holds a following not because it can satisfy the desire for self-advancement, but because it can satisfy the passion for self-renunciation"

    And, "...when we renounce the self and become part of a compact whole, we not only renounce personal advantage but are also rid of personal responsibility. There is no telling to what extremes of cruelty and ruthlessness a man will go when he is freed from the fears, hesitations, doubts and vague stirrings of decency that go with individual judgment.”

    I think this is the primary reason that Trump voters ignore so many faults of the man. They have a power now that they never had before and they want to keep it. The left looks at all the faults that we feel are harmful to all of us, while the Trump voters just want to be part of a winning team. The left feels superior to this position.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Thats very dishonest.DingoJones

    I'll leave that right where it is. Go ahead and take the last word.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    im accusing you of being a liar.DingoJones

    First of all If you have followed anything that NOS has posted on this forum you know that NOS can defend himself if he feels it's necessary. But of all the highly personal flaming that has occurred and been discussed on this forum you get triggered by:

    So you lived in the US and then moved to Canada? I was just always surprised at your level of interest in US politics.
    — Monitor

    And you leap from your foxhole to defend poor NOS from such a vicious unprovoked attack.
    I urge you to contact the Mods about me.

    As for the Gotcha, I didn't ask him if he still beats his wife. In fact I was trying to let him correct an inconsistency that was apparent in my post and deflected in his response. This is not the first time there has been inconsistency in his posts. And we still don't know how he voted for Trump in 2016 while living in Canada? Dual citizenship? I don't know. But he has incensed people around here to the point that some think he is a Russian troll so I don't think I out of line by quoting him directly.

    Perhaps you are like NOS and the late Chester and just love to argue for the sake of arguing.

    Please check my spelling. You might find some ammunition to use against me that's accurate.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)

    "Many former democrats and independents who voted for Obama have voted for Trump, myself included." NOS

    I was born in the US and I moved here in 2008.NOS4A2

    How did he vote for Trump in 2016? No ad hom here.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    So you lived in the US and then moved to Canada? I was just always surprised at your level of interest in US politics.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    have voted for Trump, myself included.NOS4A2

    I live in the capital of British Columbia, Canada. The rules here are not as hard elsewhere in the country.
    — NOS4A2
  • Joe Biden
    I actually find it comforting to have it stated that way. So simple, so final.
  • Coronavirus
    Well, we don't teach critical thinking in our schools, such as they are; it's bad for capitalism
  • Coronavirus
    :up: I'm still waiting to hear that they are still pro life.
  • Solution v Answer

    Well my thoughts don't feel very welcome at the moment.

    1. I said "We" because I presume there will be more joining this discussion than the two of us.
    2. In the five years I have been on this forum questions like yours are always greeted by asking the
    poster to define his terms. It's fundamental. It keeps people from straw-manning each other.
    3. No I don't expect him to tell us what he meant, I expect you to at least tell us what it meant to you and
    your thoughts on answers vs. solutions to give it a little shape in the beginning.
    4. I'm so American? Perhaps I'm wasting your time.
  • Solution v Answer
    Alright, do you have an example or context to what this lovely man was talking about? Math? personal struggles? golf swing?
  • Solution v Answer
    We would have to have a definition of both terms, which might be a lot of hair splitting
  • Ahmaud Arbery: How common is it?
    Do you/did you post signs on yours? ,tim wood

    Yes. Most insurance requires it I believe. It does happen I agree. I've found people who have made it to the second floor and they weren't wearing shoes. That is when I object the most.
  • Ahmaud Arbery: How common is it?
    I know very well that it is in the community interest to to be able to see what's going on at such a site. I have therefore always felt I had a basic right to enter any construction site and look around.tim wood

    Tim I read and respect a lot of what you post, but this is a doosey. I am a general contractor among other things and you have no basic right to enter a construction site at all. It's private property and your presence is a liability and you will happily sue the contractor when you drive a nail through your foot. And you will win. And my insurance won't cover it because I didn't keep you off. But you know very well and feel you have a right?

    and the shooting, which could be construed as self-defense.NOS4A2

    Why do armed white men always feel their life is in immediate danger from unarmed black men? Do we really believe they were going to use there guns to turn them over to the police?
  • Are There any 'New' Thoughts?

    Interesting, because the answer would be revealed in meliorism. Do you believe that the human experience, as a whole, has actually improved over human history? Yes, conditions individually improve or worsen but are we still advancing by some measure? If you believe that, then we are capable of prehending new thoughts because the old set didn't work, we had a new thought, and we improved our experience.
  • Biden vs. Trump (Poll)
    "Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan took another step toward running for president on Tuesday, saying he has formed an exploratory committee to look into his chances of winning the Libertarian Party's nomination."
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    and is a prolific Democrat donor.NOS4A2

    is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    not registered as industrial producers of bleach.StreetlightX

    :rofl:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Yes, I honestly didnt know that any significant number of people claimed it was some kind if medical term. Is the description I gave not what people generally mean by TDS?DingoJones

    It's only use on this forum, up until now, was rather frequently by someone called Nobeernolife. He was banned last month I believe. Check that thread for any reasons.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    You don’t understand what an Ad Hom is. You can address someones argument AND mock them. An Ad Hom is when you mock (or attack) the person rather than the argument.
    You didn't answer my question.
    DingoJones

    Of course you can address someone's argument AND mock them, but they are two separate statements, separate claims. You can't make up some hybrid argument that contains any number of fallacies and then tack on some rational statement at the end that gets them all through the door.

    Please stop saying I don't understand something without cleaning up your argument first.

    Your question was about having a singular definition of of TBS?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    a term of mockeryDingoJones

    Which means it is an Ad Hom.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I think Baden said it better than I did.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    No its notDingoJones

    When you ascribe TDS to someone or some group, you are dismissing their argument about Trump as the result of a accepted medical condition that their critical judgement cannot resist. Thus you don't have to address it and they are wrong before being considered. Calling someone deranged without proof is attacking the man.

    "Sniffles and a cough", is a false parallel and affirming the consequent, so again, wrong before being considered. I was not throwing shade since I was giving you a chance to reference it to a medical authority. We are on a philosophy forum. If we cannot provide a source for a claim then we shed light on a logical fallacy.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    TDS is not mythical.DingoJones

    Unless you can quote an authority it's another adhom
  • Coronavirus
    You two are talking teleology now. I don't think Darwin or Spenser could support that.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Okay. Wrong spot in the conversation.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Right, and it was repeated and exaggerated. Thats an example of spreading falsehoods in my books.DingoJones

    Right. So when there is smoke there is not necessarily fire. It could be something else. Or perhaps there is no smoke that you can see. Or maybe there is not enough smoke . Any consideration of there being a fire should be rejected as rash speculation because other possibilities exist.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Also, you two know, you obviously know, that the majority of people here do not believe that he was remotely qualified to even be the president from the very beginning. And whatever right and good that comes out of this White House is not fundamentally because Trump actually cares about anything other that his own experience. It is not difficult to find apodictic reasons for this belief. This is your audience here. And you know it.
  • Coronavirus
    your recent post historycsalisbury

    :rofl:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I do not know what your name-calling is aboutNobeernolife

    He may have learned it from our president.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Dont know who "we" is but, confirmation bias and virtue signalling are human conditions.You are right, I should not waste time on social media, but by the same token, why do you continue to parrot the crap you hear on CNN on this site? It is not like you are going to convince a dissident, all you do is get browny points from your fellow echo chamber residents. So, same question.Nobeernolife

    I have been on this forum for four years and have only 135 posts. That means I read. Nobody knows me, I don't parrot, I don't watch CNN. And the only thing I continue to do is read. And this is a philosophy forum not Twitter. The goal is not to be smugly indefeasible. I won't bother you with it again.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    the TDS crowdNobeernolife

    If we are all sick, and ignorant of it, then why engage with us? It can't be the challenge because we are all so stupid, it's too easy. Neither side is getting anywhere with the other. There has got to be a personal motivation. Are you like NOS and just enjoy stirring the pot? You continually end with the same sweeping generalization that discounts any response. Do you just like feeling self-satisfied?
  • Coronavirus
    You believe news emanating from the CCP??Nobeernolife

    We depend on you to tell us what to believe in. Or Scott
    Adams.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The European "mainstrteam" media is every bit on the Trump hatingNobeernolife

    I have never understood this automatic presupposition, that the default position, the null hypothesis, on anything Trump does has to be without regarding any of his history whatsoever. The world has had 4 years to watch what he has done and said and it is well documented; but according to the right he awakes each morning with a clean slate, to be judged only on the allowable spin that the public will bear on that day.