I'd love to see these modern-day stoics (and the old ones, too, actually) cope with some real problems, like poverty on the verge of homelessness or grave illness, or both. — baker
Surely slaves were ambitious? Or at least our particular slave here was.
But here's the catch: How many Stoics actually attained ataraxia, aequanimitas? — baker
Sounds like something said by someone very powerful, someone on whom others depend for mercy.
That might be because it was said by someone very powerful... — Tom Storm
Rome, totally blew it with their white togas. Imagine how much better their economy could have been with a wide variety of clothes and seasonal changes in what we wear. — Athena
The power and glory of Rome. Why do we admire it?
I think we can assume he was not a liberal when it comes to property rights. — Athena
I am not terribly worried about the poor if they can continue to have the essentials of life, such as family and community, — Athena
My memory is poor, but seems to me, Cicero was clueless about the reality of those who went to war for Rome and lost their land while they were gone to war! Not only did they loose their land, but they could not get jobs because of slavery. The wealthy were wealthy because they owned land and had slaves. They also held the seats of power and that means the system was to benefit the wealthy, not all citizens.
To a degree, giving the landless bread and circus prevented a violent revolution, but if I recall correctly some generals lead their troops to fight for what they believed they deserved, and in time these generals came to the seats of power. Should I look for more information? — Athena
As much as I like Cicero, I fault him for having a very poor understanding of economics. — Athena
Schopenhauer would say that it strives to interpret and reconcile external objects to a coherent subjective worldview. — Michael Zwingli
The university system to me seems to be instilling a sense of class separation and control through just the same phenomena; the proposed oligarchy of the intelligentsia. As if we haven't seen that mentality utterly fail over and over again throughout history. — kudos
By really learning - not just learning how to be something like a lawyer or a dentist - do we agree by contract to concede action and certainty? — kudos
The problem is silence is ambiguous - it, as you seem to be aware, sometimes means something and at other times means nothing. So, if no one is saying anything, either they're not saying anything or they are. — TheMadFool
qui tacet consentire videtur — TheMadFool
Silencium Universi (The Great Silence) — TheMadFool
Okay, what is a good way to classify our truths (a word) so we can label those truths in conversation as different kinds of truth? — Athena
But see, Genesis 3:17, "To Adam he said, 'Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' 'Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life."
I take this to mean that Adam was punished not just for what he did but "because [he] listened to [his] wife." It's one thing I guess to defy God on your own, but to do it because your wife tells you to seems just a bit too much for even the good Lord to tolerate. — Hanover
An interesting and important question, I have a very old logic book that explains we can never know enough to believe we know what we know without a doubt. I think there are some things we can be more sure of than others. I think we can agree water is wet. However, we may not agree on what is the best news program. — Athena
Aristotle was highly impressed by the Spartan efficiency and he leads us to authoritarianism. — Athena
Sure he did. Genesis 2:15 to 2:17.
15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” — Hanover
That is the mindset of Nazi Germany, not the US that emulated Athens and the gods, each one of them being distinctly different with different points of view, and yet equal within the framework of logos. — Athena
A "free choice" assumes at least 2 viable options, right? Only 1 viable option among other nonviable options is a trap it seems to me and not a "free choice". The Pope et al can stuff that theidiocy where the Sun don't shine. — 180 Proof
When a philosophical category includes both Friedrich Nietzsche and Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel it can no longer be held to have any meaning whatsoever. — thewonder
he primary reason for this change is because of a strange paradox I came to realize when it comes to our role in the universe. It seems plainly obvious from a scientific perspective that we're basically insignificant in the grand scheme of things, I don't have to explain why. However, we also seem inconceivably beyond the scope of our local planet. We can launch ourselves from the atmosphere, control particles to our whims, and capture the universe in a picture, a far cry from even the most impressive feats of the animal kingdom. The planet for billions of years was a fight for survival, not a toy for us to disregard (in lieu of, perhaps, a shiny red marble). — Jerry
If you and I were having a chat at a bar, I'd undeniably be a pedant if I denied that it is fact that George Washington was the first president of the United States. There is no quibble. — Ennui Elucidator
On a philosophy forum in the context of making broad statements about "religion" with a selective recounting of "facts", I am not sure that my highlighting that we can only look to things that exist now to support our claims about what happened in the past is being a pedant. — Ennui Elucidator
For your reading pleasure - the Catholic Church in response to the Reformation... — Ennui Elucidator
So far as I can tell from the literature, lots of smart people tried really hard to question those religions in order to establish them as the right one and no one is running around telling adherents not to read the apologists. — Ennui Elucidator
Even in its foundation Christianity had multiplicity of thought with warring factions, some of which continued on and some which were snuffed out. — Ennui Elucidator
Thus erasing the tragedy brought about by the Christians by resurrecting the demolished ancient Roman culture. — Hanover
There's nothing to keep someone from opening a church today that worships the Greek and Roman gods. — Hanover
He's the fellow who was ecstatic that the writings "of the Greeks have all but perished and been obliterated... Where is Plato? nowhere! Where Paul? In the mouths of all". — Banno
One of the best "vehicles"(especially in global scale) for that are religions. All kind of religions. To claim that Christianity is to blame for that, it's ridiculous. As if its teaching is more oppressive, intolerant than others. — dimosthenis9