Did the war save Jewish lives or cost Jewish lives? I don't think it is knowable; we only have the war happening, not the alternative. — unenlightened

Very few people ask that question of themselves. The evidence is, no, it didnt save many lives, nor did it really change history that much. All other conquerers like Hitler--Alexander the Great, Caesar, Khan, etc--- had their empires dissolve between warring generals almost instantly upon their deaths, after which, things usually returned to much as they would have been anyway. And frankly, I have been wondering for several years now how much better things would be if California and Texas had seceded already. But I dont think thats the objective of the current riots. Im not afraid to say, I dont beleive they are being governed by some super fantastic ideal of racial equity, it all sounds very pretty the first time, and after that, it just begins to sound exactly all the other bids for power by every other similar movement since forever.

Get over yourself. I tired to give you a fair shake in your thread, which you all but ignored. At this point you're just a bitter bloviator who is, by your admission, uninterested in discussion. — StreetlightX

If you dont find the Sapir whorf hypothesis worthy of your attention, thats not my problem, and certainly does not mean I am disinterested in discussion. I merely know my limits, that I am an over privieleged white animal with a useless education from oxford who is too shallow to understand anything, thats all

I found a very nice place. I do miss the cat they killed, and I am trying to find another black coon, they are not as common as they used to be.

So far I have not seen any police statement to that effect at all, only that they are trained to do it, and they have been considering stopping the training. Whatever you believe, your opinion is not what runs a court of law. Facts do, whether you like them or not, and that is why your attitude is the type of problem that will manifest as complete and total devastation as threatened, at least so far

I tiried raising this in a separate thread, but I would say we face a far worse problem.

I started on this in an attempt to understand why the Minneapolis city council wants to disband the police. It must know hundreds more black people will be murdered without police intervention to stop it, as In Baltimore after the Freddie Gray case. So why is it in favor of disbanding the police?

While it took a long time to figure out, it transpires Derek Chauvin is unlikely to be convicted of murder at all, let alone 2nd degree, because Floyd did not inform the police he was high on fentanyl and meth at the time he was arrested. This drug combination is frequently lethal by itself, and in Floyd's case, the drugs aggravated two existing but untreated conditions: arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease. It was quite difficult to find this information, partly because no mainstream media has reported that the autopsy had even been done, and I found out about it deep on forum comments about Minneapolis closing its police dept down:

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/george-floyd-cause-of-death-autopsy

The prosecutor will have a hard time proving intent to kill, considering Floyd's unknown condition.

Additionally, it transpires Floyd also had a substantial criminal history, with eight arrests, five times in jail, the last time for holding a gun to a woman's stomach while his friends plundered her house, after which, he turned his friends in for a plea bargain to reduce his prison sentence to five years. This information was almost impossible to find, as no US paper has reported it at all. The Daily Mail provided photos of all the records, remarking that the police wouldn't have known about it. However, that's not true, if they had his ID, which I don't actually know is true, then the police have been able to look up all records about any person from their squad cars for some time, as I learned in 2018 when they offered me to join a federal protection program while they nailed some murderers in a black gang just after they also tried to murder me. The Floyd criminal history was published in the UK here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html?fbclid=IwAR3Trprcp17WZ_qSiieFB2tfDWCYOL5jCFXDS0LoqNtIX_MLV1810JigOKE

With his existing known medical condition while on lethal drugs, with such a long rap sheet, the jury won't be able to find Chauvin guilty beyond doubt.

Unless Chauvin pleads guilty, or the autopsy is shown to be flawed, the riots and lootings are now likely to get even worse, just as after the acquittal of the police arresting Rodney King in Los Angeles, 2012. Disbanding the police seems to me a last-ditch effort to circumvent complete and total annihilation, at this point, but maybe you think the rioting is over.

That's not what Black Lives Matter says. It has made clear, ONE more instance would be enough to trigger complete destruction of the entire nation, which no one could claim is not a terrorist threat. Also, Black Lives Matter has been particularly disinterested in protecting the lives of blacks who will be murdered, at the rate of about one a day for two years, without police intervention to stop it in Minneapolis. I regret to say, given what it has said and done these last few weeks, whatever it was in the past, it is now no more than a terrorist organization that really could not care who dies at all, black or not.

Which is rather moot if you do remember what the Rodney King riots were like, and one can see some folks with itchy fingers in the shadows of Macy's across the country, just hoping THAT happens at a national level.

It's cute how those who are not regularly murdered everyday on the basis of their skin color get to explain how skin color does not matter. — StreetlightX

I understand, sir, whatever happened to me, I deserved it for being too shallow to understand it and a over privieleged white fuck with a useless degree from a shithole called oxford, so a series of assaults, 4 robberies, shooting my cat, and vandalizing my car is obviously what I deserved for that.

Dont ask me, Im too shallow to understand what I am being told, and an over-privileged white animal with a despicable education at a useless shithole called Oxford.

Well I just started a new thread on the future possibility of rodney king style riots, perhaps you would be so kind to help me out there too

"If they don't like us killing them, we'll leave them kill each other." — unenlightened

Well I hav eto say, from the huge outpouring of hate for raising this point on democratic forums, I have to admit, I had come to the conclusion, everyone seems to be very keen on letting them kill each other. I wanted to stop it, but if no journalists respond either, I have to give up and let them kill each other.

I understand what you are saying about systemic prejudice but my own experience, once after I had to throw out a room mate for taking cocaine, who filed charges against me and I had no idea what was happening until I ended up in jail, that at least in San Jose, they dont care what color you are. They mistreat everyone for fun. Its just about the only perk their job has.

I find it hard to beleive the abuse could amount to anywhere near equivalent to a murder a day.

But I do understand your point. After some time in jail, I discovered they had phones there where I called a friend to bail me out and I was acquitted of all charges. It was a very unpleasant and highly educational experience, and some of the bruises lasted weeks.

I just replied on the other thread, cant you see it? Well it doesn't matter, I'm just an over-privileged white animal with a despicable education at a useless shithole called Oxford, where I was taught, according to Rousseau's theory of truth by consensus, it must all be true. I dont really have anything more constructive to offer than that currently.

well I agree. But Ive not had any success in doing anything about it either. In the end I just say, look, I know I am only a white animal and obviously I am physiologically inferior. I know an education at Oxford University only makes me even more despicable and elitist too. I did want to help your problems, but I tried, and most of what I hear is, I am a despicable white animal with an even more despicable over-privileged and useless education.

And that's what I was mostly told when I was a volunteer teacher, which was basically regarded as one huge fantastic opportunity for ridicule and nothing else. I never managed to teach them anything. the only reason I survived living next to an all-black community for so long was that I was dating a very beautiful Russian model who could easily give any of them an erection at 100 yards, and frequently enjoyed doing so.

But that was nothing to do with me, and when she moved back to Russia as per long plan, the assaults started within a few weeks of her not showing up. When they found out I had been working on gun control, they started shooting at me too.

I guess you could say they like beautiful young white female animals alot. Me, no, I'm just an ugly white animal with a despciable Oxford education. I learned to accept that, but I do find it curious how frequently I am now accused of also being a racist. Maybe I just have to be racist too, or I dont fit the mold they put me in.

Today, I only got told off for being totally shallow and banned again from Facebook because I pointed out closing the police dept in Minneapolis will probably result in several hundred black people being murdered whose lives would otherwise have been saved by police intervention. I even produced statistics from Baltimore showing that happened last time Black Lives Matter insisted on the arrangement, and after being called an over-privileged white animal a couple more times, I was again banned for being a racist who hates black people. Overall that's a vast reduction in the number of insults thrown at me in the last 10 days. Maybe people are calming down or something.

The reason why there is a lack of will is because our social structures are still set up to reward indicators of group membership klike having the right phone, being on the right social media platform) and again, it's not coincidence that these very narratives are being filled with identification tokens which are conveniently of no harm to capitalists. — Isaac

I lived next to a poor all-black neighborhood for 10 years. While I was there, the city built a new good bank, organized two enormous concerts in the local park, upgraded the sports fields to the best in the city, built the city's only skate park, added a waterpark with spray fountains for children, started two community gardening projects, sponsored artists to spray graffiti art all over the place, installed a new perfectly paved courtyard for a weekly farmers market, free bicycles for anyone who wanted them at stations all over the area, and paid for 20 acres of new low-income housing. Other neighborhoods in the city have been totally neglected, due to escalating and increasingly violent complaints about mistreatement from Oak Park for at least five years.

Within two weeks of the new children's park opening, complete with brand new shiny slides and adventure climbing frames and everything, the drug pushers had moved in and chased all the mothers away who werent buying drugs from them. And I could say much more about it, but Ill stop there.

Frankly, no district I know of anywhere in Northern California has ever received so much fiscal investment, not even the richest districts of silicon valley, since I moved here in 1988.

I get very tired of hearing these lame complaints about 'reward indicators of group membership' and other such crap. Sorry.

Committing to disband an entire police force is a big step — Baden

Wel Im glad to find someone discussing this here, because I have raised a problem with this proposal. This very much tracks what happened after Freddie Gray in Baltimore, 2015. There the police were told not to intervene in any events unless explicity asked by the victim. Within a week, the murder and assault rates tripled in all-black neighborhoods, staying at almost one a day for several years.



Thus this demand for removing police intervention, which was directly initiated by the 'Black Lives Matter' movement, killed several hundred black people, mostly by citizens of their own color. This is all statistical fact, but whenever I try sharing it on Facebook, now for two weeks, I immediately receive comments criticisms that I am a privileged white animal, followed by a series of requests to ban me from Facebook altogether. I've been banned three times now, so Ive started writing journalists directly about the problem. I used to get responses, but with the increased amount of puerile messages shooting around on Facebook, I am not sure how to elevate my concern above the noice level, especailly as I must concede, I am a white animal. Ive been told it enough times that by Rousseau's logic of truth by consensus it can only be true. Even so, even animals might be of occasional benefit to other people in some ways, and I was hoping to save some black lives here.

Have you any suggestions?

NO you didnt, but thank you for thinking to apologize. That puts you almost in a class by yourself with regards to my personal exdperience. and I do have something I want to ask you about racist language, if you would be so kind to consider something besides my own trauma, lol, about my first post on this thread.

I shared the following letter to Brad Heath, Journalist at USA Today:

"Sir, I am writing you because of your article:"Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed," July 12, 2018. Link:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/07/12/baltimore-police-not-noticing-crime-after-freddie-gray-wave-killings-followed/744741002/
I tried raising your issue on Facebook that hundreds more black lives will probably be lost due to lack of police intervention, as per your article. I was repeatedly banned due to complaints this constitutes hate speech, probably by felonious-minded people. I sincerely request that you compare the current scenario in Minnesota with Baltimore. — ernest meyer

I was immediately banned on Facebook a third time in two weeks, due to allegations of racism and hate speech. If you can find what is racist or hateful in what I wrote, I'd be glad to hear it, because UI have had no success at all so far. A few democrats who are not black did comment on what i wrote that i was a total idiot to think more black people would be murdered without the existence of police intervention, despite proven history in the above article, that the likely result is a tripling of murders in all-black neighborhoods.

And I got really insulted as a white animal for trying to save those black lives, which I thought was meant to be the point of 'black lives matter.'

in essence. I am led to believe the conversation is now dominated by sociopaths on Facebook who care more about themselves, and the dubious virtues they anticipate for themselves of there being no police intervention at all, than the lives of the black people their actions are killing, despite whatever claims they make.

What do you think?

People responding to you aren't trying to invalidate what you've suffered, they're trying to show you how shallowly you're interpreting why it happened. — fdrake

Well thats a very good start. As you claim not to be shallow, you should perfectly well understand that I am more interested in finding a cat to replace the one the gang killed, rather than talking with you any further, then. Have a nice day.

As I say, I do not have the experience to discuss whether my personal attitudes are just or not. That is the job of the court when they finally locked them away for making the bad person of killing another white person who lived in a richer neigborhood. So maybe its because they are poor, or maybe because I am the white motherfucker who is no better than an animal like they said I am, or maybe it is something else, but I now have too much personal experience for having been attacked because the attackers stated I was a white animal and they liked hurting me. They thought it was fun, and not one black person in the neighborhood, even those who frequently and loudly called themselves my close friend, did anything at all to help me. That's the most I can tell you. Because one thing I do know for certaintly. I am for sure never going to change the opinion you already have. No one can. You decided it and stated it with total and absolute conviction that white people are in the wrong, exactly what I do to have you put me in the same basket, I cannot predict, nor anymore frankly care, I have been called a white animal often enough already to cease considering it a rational debate any more. Thats all I can tell you.

Whether ernestm is relating an extremely painful story and using problematic tropes to lash out vs whether — fdrake

I heard so much of this, I dont really read it all any more. All I say is, no one in the black community did anything to help me. they all pretended like nothing was happening. Some of these people had been my neighbors for years, and some of them I had hired to do work on my home too, but they would not do anything to help me find out who was attacking me so many times, and one thing I had to figure out was whether that was because they were involved. To some extent, since they knew what was happening and who was doing it, but pretended they didn't, they were all accomplices to it, which I mostly believe they consider correct due to an overriding concept called 'solidarity.'

I only finally managed to find out who some of the gang were from a white neighbor who lived much further away and was having similar problems, although they never shot through his windows, I believe because he was not living alone like me, they just shot up his trees and patio furniture.

So while on the one hand I can appreciate why you would think I am blaming a wide community for the actions of a few, on the other hand, the wide community did nothing to stop it either. If you want to side with them on that, that's your choice, but Im sorry that will not convince me that I am in any way at fault for reporting what happened as well I can.

And that is not the least criticism I hear. the most common criticisms are

(1) I am a white privileged motherfucker who is no better than an animal and deserves to suffer (66%) and

(2) I made it all up because I hate black people (20%)

with most of the remainder making your criticism. of course most of the people saying (1) were on Facebook with profile pictures of mr potatohead holding guns, and the like, so they might have been white people trying to make me angry because they find it amusing for all I know, all I can say is, that's what I hear.

Well I have seen a number of such stops and searches right in front of my house, when people decided they were going to live on the verge between my front yard and the road. Sometimes they lived there quite a long time. White people do not generally decide to live on the verge outside someone's house, and I was quite perplexed about what I was meant to say about it over the 10 years, four house breakins, a series of attempted assaults for me being a 'white motherfucker,' someone shooting my cat with an airgun so it died slowly over a week, and then shooting at my bed through windows on drivebys. The first time that happened, I did what the police suggested, packed an overnight bag, got in my car whoich had also been vandalized, and left for 18 months, leaving the water and electricty on, because otherwise they set fire to your furniture to stay warm and shit on the floor of the smallest bedroom, until they are actually caught, which I did not want to be involved in. So I am not the person to debate social justice, for reasons of my personal experience with black gangs, sorry. I can talk about the Sapir Whorf hypothesis though, it's pretty cool )

I didn't know apartheid was Western Justice. — StreetlightX

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Im not an expert, but what I hear is that apartheid conceptually derived from Gandhi's partition of Pakistan, which went much better than anyone expected, so much so Apartheid was initiated in South Africa the following year, but tried to minimize relocation, which did turn out to be a rather major effort in India.

the problem is, such statistics can also be interpreted to substantiate the Sapir/Whorf hypothesis, because, African Americans simply have a different concept of justice than Caucasians due to their linguistic heritage, which does not define boundaries of property ownership like Caucasians naturally do, for example.

The dispute between Arabic nomadic tribes and Isreali settlers is much the same in nature. In fact, if one looks to Israel, one can see all attempts to exercise Western Justice there have obviously resulted in the Israelis always winning, for pretty much exactly the same reason as there are problems here, and therefore a great deal of violence, just as there is here.

So animals don't think. And my baby only magically starts to think when he develops a language. The stupidity of the hypothesis is so clear it's difficult to understand why you can take it seriously. — Benkei

The argument is to do with syntax and semantic of different languages, and I am not going to try to restate what Whorf wrote so elegantly. If you have particular issues with anything he writes in the link I provided, I'd be glad to discuss that with you.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/44763816/WHORF-An-American-Indian-Model-of-the-Universe

Also, I'd like to add, if we'd all stopped using black-white distinction immediately. How does that even address past and current injustices? And how are you going to fix those injustices if you can no longer understand why those past injustices came about because you don't know how to speak about them anymore? — Benkei

Introducing the concept of 'social justice' is a very popular attack on Sapir/Whorf, but really it has nothing to do with the argument of whether language predates thought. The problem you have is that you now need to modify your theory of "socio-economic background and educational level of the parents" to explain why African Americans outperform Caucasians on spatial tests. If they are disadvantaged for the reason you say, then they should perform equally poorly as on other tests.

I'm sure you could add some bells and whistles for that, and the theory survives.

But then you are stuck with another problem, and that is Occam's razor. The fact is, linguists predicted African Americans would do better on spatial tests than cacuasions, directly from the tiny handful of facts I stated on it so far, and it turned out they were right. So Sapir/Whorf does work. Most inconveniently so, but that's the fact of it.

It's been established for quite some time now that socio-economic background and educational level of the parents pretty much predict academic achievement. — Benkei

Thats exactly what the anti-racists demanded that science decide was true, and one could argue about it forever if one wants, because neither theory can ever actually disprove the other, as for all social sciences it remains a matter of opinion. The problem is, the decision as to which theory was 'right' was decided by the anti-racists for sociological reasons. It was not decided so because it's actually true, which is why, whatever you might want to argue publicly, there are now spatial tests in IQ scores. Those were included to level the playing field by linguistic theorists, not the people you are endorsing, and the anti-racists are still very annoyed about it, because they actually do level the playing field a bit, which is not what they wanted to be true at all.

Uh no, you can't because it's not true. — Benkei

They say it 'swings' a different way. The problem is, linguistics has become a soft science, which is partly why Chomsky abandoned it. There is no way to prove or disprove anything, one just modifies the arguments to fit the real world, and it is subject to the same criticisms as string theory in subatomic science, but on the other hand, it still provides predictive models, so it cant be denied absolutely either.

if they are french, un deux tres...cat sank. Lol. Have a nice evening, nice to see you here )

↪ernestm This is a dumb discussion — StreetlightX

It mnight appear dumb to you, but it has been a big problem for pre-collegiate educators, particularly those with a Masters in Education who are required to define shool tests for college aptitude. A very big problem.

↪ernestm So Koreans are suicidal because they speak Korean? The Dutch are tolerant for speaking Dutch? Hmmm... I suspect the hypothesis is bullshit. — Benkei

I don't know if anyone has tried to demonstrate how that could be true, and I was in Oxford in the 1980s, so my own education far predates any discussion that has taken place on that topic, sorry.

Of course not its not to *blaime,* but it does provide a philosophical reason why people of different racial cultures might actually be naturally handicapped with respect to each other's traditional disciplines.

One can also deduce, from the Sapir/Whorf hypothesis, in exactly the same way, why Western music is heavily metric, but African-American music, like jazz, reggae, and blues, leans on syncopation instead.

The problem remains for the anti-racists that no one has yet been able to define a way to disprove the Sapir/Whorf hypothesis, although obviously there are long debates on the topic, probably in these forums too.

Western THOUGHT, lol

In the 1970s, they observed the different speech patterns for African Americans and deduced, from the Sapir Whorf hypothesis, that people who learn to use double negatives to increase emphasis, rather than to cancel each other out, are naturally handicapped in mathematics and science.

That made the anti-racists very, very angry indeed. The anti-racists said, African Americans ONLY did not perform so well in mathematics and science as others because of racial prejudice.

Well actually, if you agree with the thesis, the answer is yes. If language predates thought, then there must be differences between different racial cultures defined by different language traditions.

For example, in Western thought, two negatives cancel each other out to make a positive, as per Aristotle and mathematics. But in African American communities, multiple negatives emphasize instead, e.g., I ain't not want nothing to do with it <-> I aint want nothing to do with it <-> I want nothing to do with it.

This current 'black vs. white' nonsense does nothing but create racial tensions where there were none.
— Tzeentch

Right. So racism isn't created by a legacy of a culture of colour-based slavery justified by a racist narrative of white superiority, followed by years of jim crow laws Klan terrorism and lynching, endless propaganda and jokes against black people and so on. It's created by anti racists. As long as we're clear. I rather disagree. — unenlightened

Historically the problem of racism has linguistic roots in the USA independent of the black/white color dispute due to the Sapir/Whorf debate. These linguists posited that thought is constrained by the language one knows, most eloquestionly put in Whorf;s article here about how Hopi indican verbs have no concept of fixed time intervals, which he claimed explained why Hopis could not keep punch cards like other people when they went to work. It's a very persausive argument:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/44763816/WHORF-An-American-Indian-Model-of-the-Universe

The Sapir/Whorf debate caused an immense amount of friction in the 1970s due to attempts to modify school curricula, and to redefine scholastic tests such IQ and SAT, such that different linguistic groups would not be discriminated against.

The anti-racist groups considered this attempt to be a huge insult to African Americans, and the entire debate as to whether language must predate thought became discredited as bigoted hate speech.

Thank you for an excellent post. What are your opinions on violence as discussed in earlier Western empiricism, such as by Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau with respect to the social contract? Do these fit in the categories you provide, and how do you consider their views fitting with Foucault, Marx, and Sartre?

Well I have two obersatoins to make for you. First, I shared the following letter to Brad Heath, Hournalist at USA Today:

"Sir, I am writing you because of your article:"Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed," July 12, 2018. Link:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/07/12/baltimore-police-not-noticing-crime-after-freddie-gray-wave-killings-followed/744741002/
I tried raising your issue on Facebook that hundreds more black lives will probably be lost due to lack of police intervention, as per your article. I was repeatedly banned due to complaints this constitutes hate speech, probably by felonious-minded people. I sincerely request that you compare the current scenario in Minnesota with Baltimore. — ernest meyer

I was immediately banned on Facebook a third time in two week due to allegations of racism and hate speech. If you can find what is racist or hateful in what I wrote, I'd be glad to hear it.

My second observation is WHY this is happening. What I observe is that, overall, the police has been doing its job very well, more than halving the number of known crimes since 1990. This chart only shows robberies (and not assaults). While one in 20 citizens were robbed in 1990, it was going to be only 1 in 50 this year. Assaults add ~10% to these numbers. Despite the USA's high incarceration rate, only about half of the known felons are in prison, leaving ~3 million felonious thieves on the street, and ~8 million more would-be felons, had the police not been doing its job so well.



Thus there is literally >10 million resentful would-be and actual criminals in the USA, all deeply wishing the police didn't exist at all. It seems to me that it is the black majority in this criminal-minded group which is causing all the racial friction now. I wish I could say otherwise, but that does rather seem to be statistical fact, that it is a black majority in >10 million criminal-minded people in the USA now. I'm not trying to distort the numbers. That just seems to be fact, and I am not so stupid as to post that on Facebook too.

You're drinking right now aren't you? :) — Outlander

No. However, now I remembered it all, which I didnt want to, I started to feel really ill again, and its possible I might have started another heart failure, so excuse me, but I am going to the emergency room now.

havent got to the part where I was teaching yet. In fact, though, I dont think you want to know about what I had to do when the 12-year-olds were attacking each other with knives. I tihink you kiddies have heard enough. Good bye.

Guess what. After thinking about it now, 10 years later, I dont really care what you think. I know what happened. I left out the guy roaring with laughter when the car knocked me down. He thought that was especially funny. It stuck in my head for a long time because of that, but after the armed teenage gang shot my cat, I totally forgot about all the earlier stuff.

I hadn't thought what it was like living on the edge of an all-black neighborhood much since I left there. But this week I started hearing black people complaining about how much white people want to kill them all the time. At first, I remembered the black people trying to shoot me through the window while I was in bed sleeping, which is why I suddenly left with nothing but an overnight bag. then today, suddenly, the beginning of it all came back in a flood.

When I moved to Oak Park in Sacramento, I had not known it was the original home of the militant 'black panther' movement in the 1960s. I certainly did not think its heritage would still be as viciously anti-white as it was 50 years ago. So when I first moved to live under the rule of the STILL SUPREME BLACK RACE in Oak Park, the first thing that I noticed was the amount of putrid trash everywhere.

I started to clean it up, first on my own street, and then gradually, across all of Oak Park, whenever I walked to buy some groceries. I started carrying brushes and gloves and garbage bags in my grocery bag, to clean up the worse of it: the broken glass scattered on the corners to stop bicycles going near the street pushers; the heroine needles stuck in the primary school fences; the condoms thrown at the walls of the bread factory; and so on. the grocery stores were run by Vietnamese, who liked what I was doing and helped me dispose of the trash around their stores.

But as I was picking up litter, the SUPREME BLACK RACE would drive by, shouting 'work harder you white fuckhead!' at me while throwing fast-food wrappers behind me where I had just picked up, and occasionally hitting me with beer bottles. Sometimes the black parents laughed appreciatively at their children's antics, giving me a knuckle 'fuck you' sign if I dared to look at them.

Once a neighbor saw me returning from a longer cleanup foray, and shouted, "here, I save this for you," and threw a dead bird at me. At first I tried ignoring it, but after I got inside, I thought I better go back and pick it up before a car ran it over. But it was too late, and while I was scraping the splattered carcass off the asphalt from the middle of the street with a shovel, another car drove by at 40mph and opened its door just before getting to where I was standing, knocking me over and bruising me badly.

Such were the games enjoyed by the SUPERIOR BLACK RACE I was permitted to live with, as they'd remind me frequently, pushing me off the sidewalk into the gutter if I didn't get out of their way fast enough when they walked in battalions down the sidewalks they owned.

After the dead bird incident, I took to going to the market at odd hours, or between 10am and 11.30am when it was most likely the schoolchildren would not be there. But they often skipped school, the younger ones shooting air guns at squirrels for fun, until about 12years old, when their parents thought them old enough to have old revolvers to play with. I never had to pick up ammunition rounds, they were hoarded more than money. Sometimes the Mexican gardeners would throw a dime into a pile of dogshit, and the kids wouldn't touch that--Anything less than a dollar was below their dignity--And the Mexicans would smile generously as I scraped the dogshit up with their money, thinking I was poorer than their children and needed to be gifted that way. I had already learned, by then, not even to let them know if I spoke English or Spanish.

Any place I cleaned up would be instantly trashed again once, but if I cleaned it up again right away, it stayed cleaned up, and gradually, the air no longer smelled of rotting food, urine-soaked clothes, dog shit, and condom spunk. It took about six months.

After I had cleaned it all up, people wrote to the city asking if they could get my job, and the city wrote back they hadn't hired anyone. A few perplexed people asked me why I was working if I wasn't being paid for it. I said "I wasn't working." More perplexity. The following July, the headmaster of the local black school proudly took credit for the clean streets. I had no idea whom he was before, but I got a letter sent to all people in the neighborhood that children would be required to continue the work he had started and to clean up the streets under his school's supervision from then on.

That was the real beginning of the end for me, because now children all across the neighborhood were starting to hate me for cleaning up their streets, which now the headmaster was making them keep clean, and they knew I had been doing it, and when they left school, they had their eyes well fixed on making me hurt for what I had done to them.

It did raise the value of the houses, which I thought people would like; but I didn't know that most of the houses were rented, not owned, off the official market, and when their landlords wanted more money, they'd bang on my door, sometimes after midnight, shouting how I was a stupid white asshole who didnt appreciate who awful their life was, blame me for their rent increase because I hadn't left the streets full of rotting crap and shit, and always demanding I give them some money.

They were always demanding money from me for one reason or another, because, well, I'm white, and I lived there, so of course, they expected it to be natural I give them money for the privilege of them not attacking me in some way, which of course they did, if I refused to give them anything. After a few months of that, I started offering them work, and they'd run away almost immediately instead.

Also I learned not to eat in public. Once I was eating a cookie outside, and a guy walked up and indignantly demanded the cookie I had in my mouth, deeply insulted that I had the gall to eat something he wanted. The master black race loved doing that particularly. If I was holding anything, they'd walk up and tell me they needed it, and if I didn't think their behavior charming, I would have a stone hit me after they had started walking away, as if it had been thrown by someone else who wasn't there.

That was pretty much my first lesson, in fact, of what it means to live right next to the epicenter of the master black race in Sacramento, California.

Well Ive given up talking to people about it. I miss my cat too much to be rational about it. I cant afford Air Jordans or AR15s like the teenage kids have. I just had my cat. It was one of the few pleasures in my life, and they left it to die in agony on my front lawn. And not one black person did anything. They stood across the street and watched it scream in pain, then pretended they saw nothing. I am going now.

Well I just started this in another thread, but perhaps you are the one who needs to think about this.

I used to live in a 'mixed' neighborhood, which is a misnomer, because every single house on one side of mine was filled with unemployed black families on state support. I was there for 10 years, during which their children grew up and wanted a place to live, and I was in the way. So they burgled my house four times, shot my cat, stole my identity wrote $7,000 of checks on me, stole my Obamacare, and then started shooting at my windows during drivebys. It turned out, they had shot already murdered another white person around the corner, and the police did not want to start a block war, so I had to call the FBI in the end.

Every single of those blacks knew who was in the gang, where they lived, and what they were doing. Not one black person helped me. they all pretended like nothing was happening, and the police had just strung up tape around the white person's house who'd already been murdered for fun or something. The first time they actually shot at my windows, I packed an overnight bag and left. 18 months later, after the gang moved into my abandoned house, took drugs, and set my furniture on fire, two of them were finally sent to prison for life and I could go back to where I used to live, pick up some of my undamaged property, and sell my prior home.

Not only did I never get one ounce of sympathy for what I went through from any black person, many of whom I wrongly used to think of as friends. they all just completely pretended like nothing was happening. I was victimized like hell by them. So this last week, on Sunday I saw another one of the gang caught on videotape stealing from a downtown store, and on Monday, the street tried to organize a flash mob to raid the local Walmart, for which reason the entire neighborhood was cordoned off by the National Guard.

When I share this on Facebook, I am told I am a 'privileged white sh*t who is exactly causing the problem.' No one at all on Facebook groups even voices any concern that the same happens to other people as happened to me. And I guess you are going to say much the same thing now.

Well, thats why there are 'peaceful demonstrations' about a policeman killing someone by mistake while gangs loot private businesses in this country. Do the 'peaceful demonstrations' try to stop the looting? No, that's not their problem, they say, they take no moral responsibility for anything except a paycheck, as far as I can tell, and she is just another like them, according to you.