For you Americans own sake! Stop spouting, start suggesting. To get some sort of effective response to Covid-19 you need mass concern of Republican and Democrat middle ground to pressure your bloody congress representatives to start working together and run your governance.Tell them to work with the separate states who are doing something if you have to. Tell them to tell Trump what's going to happen if that's what it takes. You're all Americans,start acting like it. If you're a Democrat talk with your ex class mates who are now Republican,if Republican converse with your Democrat neigh-bours. Together flood all your local representatives with e-mails, twitter, instagram, etc, etc. Talk with your neighbourhood to form a local consensus and then challenge your local republican and democrat representatives to be seen to be working together too forward your views. You got plenty of work to do, anything but what is the general state of play at the moment has got to beat your current efforts.

Remember the Arab spring, it didn't last but it sure took off in a hurry. You all deserve to be heard, but too many of you can't even listen and connect to each other. There's more than a little noodle in among all these posts and I'm certain that at least a few of you carry some local clout and have some worthwhile community connections. There's a meaningful challenge or two in all this crisis if some of us choose to take it up. Also as "I like Sushi" has noted, there are some positive things already being done, mainly on individual private bases, I'd encourage shouting about them. cheers, good luck, you need it, all of you.

Ok sounds fair stay well

Bloody hell rob from down under again, these different time zones can be a pain, why's the world bloody round?

Blimey, Tim Wood, Streetlight, Frank, my little post doesn't seem to have generated much in terms of new ideas, oh well, might as well have another go! Before I start though Streetlight, I might have wished you had left my post separate for a little longer from this overwhelming thread, just to see if some of us, other then me/I ( never could work that bit of grammar out.) picked up some threads and ran with them while I slept. Grre was the only one who had a chance to respond free of the cloud of conflicting invective on this thread that persuaded me to attempt to start another.

Tim I can't imagine how I 'd feel if I was a Yank, other than extremely unhappy! I also realise we managed to offload, due to his greed, little Rupert Murdoch which you almost certainly don't need! Perhaps that's one way to handle the objectionable amongst us? I'm afraid we don't seem, up till now any better at dealing with self serving individuals than you in the states, especially once they have achieved some clout it's just that their numbers pro rata have not reach those in the States. I used the term "States" deliberately. From here, it appears that from the Reagan years on, despite some long Democrat terms your national infrastructure has been crumbling. From out here you are no longer the States United rather a mismatched uncoordinated bunch of neighbours. Covid-19 don't care, it's just a bloody virus, kills off those of us in no great shape, but it can't and doesn't think or act purposely. We can and occasionally in the past have.

Your current crop of top dog leaders with a couple of honourable exceptions are either derisively incompetent, your politicos, or unaccountable for their power, our little Rupert for example. Treasure young Billy Gates and partner and your current governor of New York, a political hack who is, not just seems to be, rising to the Challenge. Forget Biden the bloke tells fairy tales none of us need that! Trump is a disgrace whose fault must be squarely shouldered by the middle class voters of America. Here's a thought, for reasons innumerable, start a mass campaign on all your congressmen. Ask the young amongst us to show in my case teach the rest of us how to IT the hell out of your representatives to declare a national state of emergency and take interum control of the reins of governance.

Tell them to bypass the White House, you really, in this day and age, don't need to elect a king for four years, your constitution is the oldest existing stab at democracy, over two hundred years old and almost that far out of date. Extend The social media (what ever you call it) campaign to your over politicised Supreme Court to oversee checks and balances, and fight to stop the idiots of all sides from stopping the responsible amongst the national electorate from controlling your nation's course. Should keep us busy for a while, you can't afford Trump and your major parties need to be completely overhauled, remember you've only got another six months there about's.

Remember we need to be in a position to aid the developing nations in this anti Covid-19 struggle asap. and the situation will not be helped if the USA is one of those who need rather than can give aid. Frank, your thoughts, some positive proposals perhaps?

[ Debate is like discussion, but more precise and characteristic.] @Qwex

G'day, pondering where you're going with "more precise and characteristic"?

[The problem I have with debate is that it does not seem interested in finding the truth but in espousing an opinion over another, even if it is inherently wrong.] @ Aristocles

Please develop your understanding further, are there other aspects to debating that you would care to comment on? cheers rob

Coming from australia I was quite chuffed to declare my region asian, I wonder how typical my attitude is?