Just picture yourself still believing that the 2020 election was stolen (now whittled down to the last hope: maybe something happened in Georgia!). Imagine it. Then have someone thump your head with a stone.

you don't have to repeat all the Kremlin tales in the thread) — jorndoe

Says the guy literally repeating strictly Western talking points.

I think the history is quite clear. Hardly “Kremlin tales.” But believe what you will.

So, you don't think satellites are in the crosshairs? — jorndoe

No, I don’t think so.

Hm? — jorndoe

That’s not the post I was responding to, clearly.

If it would be losing badly, I guess Kharkov ought to have fallen and the battles should be fought on the streets of Kyiv and Odessa. — ssu

If one believes Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine— which it never did. That’s a stupid myth perpetuated by the West, of course.

It’s true that Russia has several demands — consistently stated for years. Why stupidly back down from them when you’re already winning?

When it's the Ukrainians who are doing the fighting, it's up to them to decide when to surrender. — ssu

Which they will do eventually, especially without the gargantuan resources being thrown into this — which has gotten nothing except to prolong this war.

True Romance

Heard about this one for decades. So many good actors and a script by Tarantino.

Yet, it was just okay. Don’t see the big deal. Maybe I just waited too long and had to have been there.

Like watching a chessmaster playing a toddler.

This is the same guy parroting the claim that “millions of illegals vote democrat.” I’d take the trolling comments with a grain of salt. All fluff and posturing.

But regarding what you said: you don’t believe that Russian involvement had any real impact on the election in ‘16, do you?

No:

1) Ukraine is losing and losing badly.
2) Ukraine will continue to lose lives and land the longer this goes on.
3) Better to negotiate a settlement than continue.

I don’t like and Russia did. But it’s not like they weren’t telegraphing what they are going to do for years if the US kept up their strategy to dominate Eastern Europe.

Just to counter the one-sided propaganda: the protesters’ did indeed have a defense, including that the security used excessive force and that video footage went “missing.” Actually perfectly defensible, to anyone who has the slightest clue about law.

The selective outrage is telling. Notice that it’s not directed at genocide, but rather at those trying to stop it. That’s striking. Also embarrassing.

The article says it best:

“Our loved ones dared to poke this beast – and no expense has been spared in policing, prosecuting and imprisoning them without trial. Imagine if the government had put the same amount of money, resources and political will into preventing a genocide.”

Yes, and likewise — if only the righteous indignation and posturing outrage were directed more towards the genocide part. These are the same types that would have vehemently opposed those trying to stop the Holocaust, reserving the harshest language for their unlawfulness and crimes while ignoring or minimizing the actual atrocities. And we know why: they either deny it’s happening or don’t care. Disgusting indeed.

The acquittal should be celebrated. I’m very heartened to hear it.

Good points. Good luck discussing it with Risible. Normally you get nowhere with trolls but maybe this time there’ll be progress. :cheer:

Ah okay! Well that’s certainly true as well.

:pray: Well you’re far more patient than me then.

Same thing over and again with Risible. He really really wants you to think he’s an authority on something— anything. No substance whatsoever, which is why it always devolves into these boring exchanges. Next time just do what everyone else does: ignore.

Definitely the hottest First Lady ever…But I can’t see that being the basis for a whole movie.

Imagine spending all this time (and resources) searching for something so obviously conjured up by a fraud? How stupid does one have to be to believe the election was “stolen”?

see, the Newman effect strikes again! — praxis

More like the posturing ignoramus effect. Knows nothing about the subject, but compulsively has to comment on it anyway— while pretending to be an expert. Truly embarrassing.

Risible.

Speaking of trolls. Weren’t you gonna “dip out”? Anyway— please go on about substantive contributions— like claiming millions of illegals voted for democrats, that Pretti assaulted officials, that Obama was just as bad as Trump, etc. You’re truly cringey. One might even say risible.

Feel free to point it out wherever I do. — Tzeentch

Like coming on a thread after someone was just murdered by the state and placing the emphasis on the protesters’ behavior.

Trump is being fetishized as the personification of pure evil, and by continually bewailing his existence one not only exculpates themselves from America's misdeeds but also puts themselves at the other end; that of pure good. — Tzeentch

:rofl:

We get this elaborate bullshit in lieu of a simple “yeah that guy shouldn’t have been shot.”

Both sides of the political aisle do this — Tzeentch

But definitely not you! Lol

We get a strawman with the complexity of a Star Wars plot to excuse the minimizing of crimes of one’s preferred administration. But yeah we all think you’re still above it all.



Risible.

No-one is protesting deportations. They are protesting the lawless, fascist tactics. — Questioner

Yes. These Trump apologists are simply incapable of just saying “yeah this is wrong.” Gotta be false equivalence and whataboutism. How intellectually lazy— and boring.

I guess someone has to say it: No one gives a shit about what you think. :victory:

Why, why, why??!

Oh wait…Just more whataboutism. :yawn:

Warrantless home entry policies that ignore judicial warrant requirements.

Expanded mandatory detention without bond opportunities.

Allegations of racial profiling and suspicionless stops.

Reduced procedural protections in sensitive community locations.

Lowered internal oversight and accountability. — praxis

The targeting of specific states based upon partisan metrics.

The breakdown of established protocols of cooperation between federal, state, and local law enforcement.

The effort to establish ICE prisons in all states through private contracts.

The incredible amount of money legislated for the operations. — Paine

:up:

So basically more whataboutism. Put in a more numeric way: it’s wrong that person A lied 10 times; it’s also wrong when person B lies 1000 times. But 10 and 1000 are different, and the 10 doesn’t justify the 1000. False equivalence and whataboutism is truly rampant.

Must all be delusions of the liberal media bubble. Now about those millions of illegals voting for democrats…oh and the election was stolen and vaccines cause autism and …

You’re clearly acting on bad faith. Time for him to dip out in indignant disgust.

Why don’t you stick to commenting on things where you can skate by on fluff. In this case, there are actual facts— so better you stay clear.

Ignoring your emotions and accusations about how bad faith and mean everyone who disagrees with you is, you’ve so far made the mistake of making two factual claims. One about Obama and his deportations, the other about millions of illegal immigrants voting. Both are so stupid it’s embarrassing, particularly the latter.

It’s the same pattern with you apparently: wade into a topic you know nothing about except for some slogans or talking points, posture as an expert and objective observer “above it all,” feel entitled to lecture others about how bias and emotional they are, then when confronted with refutation — “dip out,” or “see your way out.”

Yes, please do, but next time spare everyone the time and simply keep for mouth shut. :up:

Speaking truth is never futile. — Questioner

Fair enough.

In fairness, not a Trump supporter. But curiously goes far easier on him and his policies than a Biden or Obama. :chin:

Anyone who takes US domestic politics seriously is beyond redemption. :lol: — Tzeentch

True — unless one is from the US. It matters a little more to me what happens to my friends and neighbors. Mea culpa if that’s “domestic politics.”

Easy for me to tell the Sudanese not to take their domestic politics seriously though, despite the rapes and murders occurring outside their window. Because I’m above that petty stuff, and wicked smaht.

You're knee-deep in tribalism — Tzeentch

:scream:

Thankfully we all have objective observers like you and Risible Guy to set us straight.

Ok! Don’t let me interrupt your charade.

calm down a little. — Tzeentch

Perfectly calm. But thank you.

You even accused me of partisanship! Which was pretty amusing. — Tzeentch

Because it’s true.

For the record, what I’m pointing out here — and reacting to — is the utter hypocrisy of those on the right, yourself included. Yes, I know what the claims are — none of you are “the right,” or Trumpers, or politically aligned; you’re all just cool neutral observers taking in the facts and making judgements based only on that.

But I see through all of that propaganda, as anyone should. Simply look at the emphasis, at what lines and narratives get echoed, what gets downplayed — at what context gets excluded. It’s perfectly predictable how you and several others will react. As obvious as how a Fox News or MSNBC would react.

Why not simply say “this was a mistake— shouldn’t have happened, regardless of party, and they shouldn’t be lying about it.” Even Glenn Greenwald and the Wall Street Journal could do that.

That’s what I would have done if it were the Biden administration. I am politically left and so currently prefer democrats, so I myself wouldn’t have railed against it at length, that’s true — but I also wouldn’t come on here pretending to be beyond partisanship while repeating DNC talking points verbatim, or trying to minimize the killing. You can look back at my history — at Trump’s assassination attempt, at Charlie Kirk’s murder, etc. I didn’t do that. You did, however.

So yeah, stupidity and hypocrisy and fake neutrality are worth calling out I think. And I do it calmly— just perhaps not nicely (which isn’t warranted in my view).

Anyway— carry on with your fair and balanced interpretations.

I have to admit I am somewhat shocked that you would repeat such a stupid falsehood. — Questioner

I’m not. Better not to put any effort into trolls— although your exhaustive explanations are appreciated, if even an exercise in futility. Ignorance eventually shines through though, doesn’t it? They can’t help but give themselves away.

What’s so very sad on this thread, regarding this murder, is how it exposes those who want to think of themselves as objective observers who don’t play party politics as the frauds they really are. Either they’re so uninformed as to he an embarrassment, or know better but surrendered any principles to partisan hackery.

Anyway — you’re right. We’re supposed to ignore the gross lies that reflexively came out of this administration. How Good and Pretti were “domestic terrorists” and “would-be assassins” — despite no criminal record whatsoever, and no evidence to support the claim whatsoever. When now contradicted by video evidence — the human garbage that they are — the claims have changed. No retraction, no apologies.

But we’re supposed to forget all that.

The way things are going look very sinister to me. — ssu

Agreed. It’s actually far worse than what we’re hearing. It’s also deeply unpopular. But something something Obama, so it’s all good.

was apparently fine under Obama — AmadeusD

:rofl:

Fair and balanced, as always.

Translation: a bunch of bullshit that combines bothsideism with blaming the protesters. Just watch Fox News and you’ll get the point.

It’s really stupid, is what it is. Because Trump is 80, and he’s deeply unpopular. They’ll get wiped out in the midterms, beyond a doubt, and then Trump is out of office forever. Then he’ll be dead — hopefully sooner than later, but not long — and what becomes of this weird coalition?

All the precedents they’re setting will be used against them. Just a matter of time. And I look forward to it.

Guess just carrying a gun legally is enough to get you shot 10 times. Look forward to applying those standards in the future. What goes around comes around. :up:

Videos of an event aren’t always definitive, but this is how it looks to us. Pretti attempted, foolishly, to assist a woman who had been pepper-sprayed by agents. Multiple agents then tackled Pretti, and he had a phone in one hand as he lay on the ground. An agent discovered a concealed gun on Pretti, and disarmed him. An agent then shot Pretti, and multiple shots followed.

The Trump Administration spin on this simply isn’t believable. Stephen Miller, the political architect of the mass deportation policy, called Pretti a “domestic terrorist.” He was a nurse without a criminal record.

Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security secretary, said the fact that he carried a gun and (she said) two magazines, meant he “arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.”

But he had a license to carry a gun, which was legally concealed, not carried in his hand as some claimed. He was carrying his phone. To hear the ardent gun-rights advocates of the Trump Administration claim he had malicious intentions because he carried a concealed weapon is bizarre.

Pretti made a tragic mistake by interfering with ICE agents, but that warranted arrest, not a death sentence. The agents may say they felt threatened, but it’s worth noting the comments over the weekend by police around the country who say that this isn’t how they conduct law enforcement.

Either many ICE agents aren’t properly trained, or they are so on edge as they face opposition in the streets that they are on a hair trigger. Either way, this calls for rethinking how ICE conducts itself, especially in Minneapolis as tensions build.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/time-for-ice-to-pause-in-minneapolis-e9ecf097?mod=mhp

Wall Street journal editorial page. Even these climate-denying imbeciles have an ounce of integrity at least. Can’t say the same for a few members here— but they still provide laughs.

I have had a disturbing thought - that the ones justifying the murder of Alex Pretti are the ones who would have marched people to the gas chambers. — Questioner

Indeed. But at least that would stick it to the libs.

You make no sense. — Questioner

They would have made great Nazi sympathizers.

New rule:

The penalty for protesting wrong is death. Until a democrat is in office.