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  • Help with a Physics-related Calculus Problem


    You seem to be knowledgeable about the resources available in this area of study: do you know of a cheap or free application for making good quality scientific graphs and inserting them into a document?
  • Help with a Physics-related Calculus Problem
    Great, wise guys lol

    You still have not clearly explained the problem. Tell us exactly what x, y, t, d, and z represent. It sounds a bit like the old bee vs train problem where the bee keeps going back and forth at a constant rate between the moving train and the wall at the end of the track. That has a simple resolution.jgill

    That's exactly what it is, lets put it in terms of bees and trains. The bee moves at 19.3 m/microsecond and the train at 6 m/microsecond (really fast bee and train).

    x=distance traveled by the train between contact
    y=time elapsed between contact
    d=distance between train and wall
    t=time remaining before the train reaches the wall
    d-x=next closest distance between train and wall, becoming the new d
    t-y=next closest time remaining between train and wall, becoming the new t

    Again, the equations as I've figured them so far are:

    (2d-x)/(t-y)=19.3 m/microsecond

    x/y=6 m/microsecond

    -2d-13.3y+19.3t=0

    Total (initial) distance d is 2 m and total (initial) time t is 0.333 microseconds. The distance x and time y between contacts gets smaller, and I'm trying to find the distance from the wall at which x and y = 0, which I've estimated as slightly larger than x=.0052 m.

    If you know a solution to this variation of the bee/train problem, describe it to me!
  • Help with a Physics-related Calculus Problem


    Trying not to jerk your chain! I'm uncertain what the range of geometrical representations possible for the problem is, probably multiple ways of modeling it spatially.
  • Help with a Physics-related Calculus Problem


    I think this is a valid description of the problem. Two entities leave the same point at the same time within a fixed path length but at different, constant rates, and each time they meet the slower rate entity continues at the same pace while the faster rate entity resumes its travel forward and backward between contact and the endpoint at the same pace. If total distance of the path length is 2 and total time elapsed is 0.333, at what distance and time from the endpoint will y be zero?

    Equation of the distance covered and time elapsed between contacts at the faster rate is (2d−x)/(t−y)=19.3. Each d−x value becomes the new d value in the next iteration, and each t−y value becomes the new t value. Equation of the slower rate is x/y=6. What is the limit of d as y approaches 0?
  • Panpsychism - panqualityism problem


    Maybe you'll get some ideas from my own initial version of a theory like panprotopsychism. I've developed some more nuance since then, but looking at these blog posts at philosophyofhumanism.com might help:

    Quantum Biology
    The Origins and Evolution of Perception in Organic Matter
    The Nature and Human Impact of Qualia
    Humanity and the Evolutionary Phenomenology of Preanthromorphic Cognition

    I think a solution to the combination problem as you call it will be derived from psychological neuroscience, especially by applying quantum physics (think additive wavelengths as base fragments of perception and feeling in specifically adapted molecules that also have emergent biochemical shapes). Be sure to give me your analysis at some point so I can refine my model! And if you reference my essays in a paper, props for caring! Trying to escape my quantum consciousness desert island lol
  • Mind matters.
    I find it odd that some people belive that they have a distinct soul and spirit seperate to the body.Brock Harding

    Maybe soul is comprised of or identical to bodies with physical properties, just not in its totality a physiological body.
  • Good physics
    "The square of the wave function, Ψ^2, however, does have physical significance: the probability of finding the particle described by a specific wave function Ψ at a given point and time is proportional to the value of Ψ^2." (Britannica)jgill

    I think that's misleading because at the subatomic, quantum scale, absolute location and time don't exist for the model, instead an always approximate certainty about the position/momentum value. So it is more accurate to say Schrodinger's wave function doesn't represent the chances that a point particle is in a particular location, but rather the range of spacetime within which a quantity of energized matter is amorphously active. The matter within a quantum reference frame is not fundamentally a particle, a point in time, but rather some kind of perpetually fluxing, diffuse wavicle fused in a mathematically fuzzy way with what surrounds it. Encyclopedia Britannica is simplifying and reifying the model more than is necessary.
  • Mind matters.
    My point is just that we need different empirical accounts to explain different phenomena. A quantum account of consciousness wouldn’t be ‘wrong’, but I don’t think it would address what psychologists need it to in their approach to consciousness.Joshs

    Me, I think I subscribe to a combination of strong and weak supervenience: every subjectively reported state has a physical correlate, but subjective states cannot be fully and adequately explained in a physical way. So psychology and neuroscience complementarily explain consciousness from differing perspectives or rather different realms of intuition. A psychologist needs some neuroscience background to determine the most appropriate treatment in many cases, and a neuroscientist needs psychology to comprehend the therapeutic significance of what is being studied, its complete range of effects.
  • Mind matters.
    My impression is that for most psychologists a
    quantum theory of consciousness would be almost useless. The most promising theories of consciousness deal with such issues as empathy, affectivity and self-awareness These make uses of an intentional account of motivation, not a physically causal one.
    Joshs

    But psychologists do make use of neuroscience, and quantum consciousness will be an aspect of this discipline. My opinion is that most processes we know of in the body and a rangy amount we don't all involve quantum phenomena, the only way that biochemical pathways can function at the massively fast rates they do.
  • Mind matters.
    As you have a mind you have a soul or spirit.Brock Harding

    I think it might make sense to view "soul" as the total psychological phenomenon, including physical correlates that exist beyond the body, which I expect researchers to eventually model in the context of a quantum consciousness theory (I'm not sure how controversial that is in academia), and "mind" as the interface between soul and brain.
  • Good physics
    are you referring to an objective collapse theory?Andrew M

    Those theories make sense to me. As the article says, "the absolute square of the wave function is interpreted as an actual matter density". I'd be inclined based on what I've read to interpret it as a multifaceted energy density that models waves and wavicles, and this makes it more intuitive to comprehend how degrees of freedom (variable rates) for both local and nonlocal motion of many types simultaneously obtain. According to the web: "quantum tunneling seems to happen instantaneously - or at least, so incredibly quickly that it's essentially instantaneous": measurable in attoseconds, or quintillionths of a second. So quantum nonlocality is probably never absolutely instantaneous, but in many contexts the measuring devices are not sensitive enough to register time elapsed. This doesn't mean that quantum processes aren't local - interactively correlated - in some sense, but its a completely different sort of physical interaction.
  • Good physics


    To those who might know, does the following interpretation of Schrodinger's wave function have any validity: predicted proportion of behavior within a reference frame at the quantum scale, whether construed in terms of position, momentum or whatever, essentially modeling the average amount of energy within that reference frame relative to the rest of the wave function. So wave function collapse is a kind of change in relative energy that can be induced by measurement etc., not a split into separate worlds.
  • Good physics
    ...per the probabilities predicted by QM...Andrew M

    So when you say the probabilities that QM predicts, do you mean via the Schrodinger wave function and/or matrix mechanics?

    I think the question of the nature of the wave-function is a metaphysical question, or even THE metaphysical question implied by modern physics. A lot of the controversies revolve around that point.Wayfarer

    My interest is piqued by the wave function also. From what I've learned, geometry of the wave function is analogous to drawing a smooth curve on a linear graph based on the averaging of standard deviations, a "continuous" approximation to what is essentially quantized or "lumpy" but in a very specific, replicable way that has some wavelike properties. Is that accurate?
  • The mind as a physical field?
    I doubt that the conscious Mind is literally an electro-magnetic field. If it was, we could easily learn how to read minds, just as we tune our radios to E-M frequencies. Energy fields can only be detected by their effects on matter; the field itself is invisible and intangible.Gnomon

    I think the electromagnetic field might suffice to make a trillion trillion atoms in neurons of the brain (or whatever the amount is) simultaneously reside in states of quantum entanglement. Scientists entangled 15 trillion atoms at 350 degrees Farenheit, and an action potential easily reaches that amount of energy, but as electricity rather than heat. The axon is insulated by the myelin sheath so that a neuron loses minimal energy while the ion cascade occurs, and all of this electrical energy is spouted into the soma where it probably produces a very strong coherence (entanglement) field at the nano or micro scale, channeled into functional form by nuanced biochemical arrays and pathways while generating the nonlocal magnetic effects always characteristic of electric currents.

    The action potentials in billions of neurons are synched up by dendrite linkages so that their coherence fields are extremely coordinated, which is probably responsible for standing waves in the brain, a sort of macroscopic cycling built from said microscopic fields.

    Systems of coherence fields within coherence fields superposition (blend) because they are composed of particles with wavelike properties, exactly like the additive nature of the visible light spectrum. Action potentials are a timing and energy amplification mechanism, but coherence fields in the soma and probably glial cells as well must be the additive substance of qualitative perception (in consort with organs of sensation): subjective color, sound, smell, taste, touch, feel, vastly variable quantum resonances amongst wavicles.

    This of course does not mean the brain's electromagnetic field is the only coherence field that contributes to consciousness, for the range of nonlocal phenomena in natural environments seems huge and a lot of what matter does and consists in is still unknown, but is probably enough to provide the foundation of that which occurs within our heads.
  • What do you NOT know
    But I can say in answer to your question: I care.James Riley

    Good response, I care in a sense also, but the afterlife in particular, not so much of a subscriber. Maybe I'll actually wake up! lol
  • What do you NOT know
    I can't really know or figure out what's going to happen after I die.James Riley

    Who cares what happens after we die? Makes no difference to us!
  • What do you NOT know


    Since the board is on a bad physics kick, there are two things I currently most want to know that I can't figure out:

    q-space assigns three separate dimensions to each electron, so an oxygen atom consists of 24 theoretical dimensions.
    Electron orbits can be modeled as spinors.
    Equations for the motion of an electron inside an atom imply that waves which travel fifteen thousand times faster might guide them.
    What makes these statements simultaneously true?

    The equation for the fine structure constant is a=ke^2/hc, apparently meaning that a (fine structure constant), h (Planck's constant) and c (the speed of light) are interchangeable in some sense. How?
  • Double-slit Experiment, The Sequel
    "The world is one substance. As satisfying as this discovery may be to philosophers, it is profoundly distressing to physicists as long as they do not understand the nature of that substance. For if quantumstuff is all there is and you don't understand quantumstuff, your ignorance is complete." (Nick Herbert - Quantum Reality: BEYOND THE NEW PHYSICS)spirit-salamander

    My intuition is that quantum stuff consists of coherence between entangled waves and particles, in essence coherence fields with nonlocal properties. It is exciting that we might figure out what all this stuff actually is and utilize the knowledge to advance technological society in almost unimaginable ways.
  • Fine Structure Constant, The Sequel
    No one wanted a revolution in atomic theory? What a surprise!
  • The mind as a physical field?
    Scientific study of consciousness has only recently begun to gain acceptance as a legitimate scientific discipline, and some think field theories like McFadden's are unscientific beliefs that threaten their hard-won legitimacy.Gnomon

    So much more exists in the brain than neuron synapsing. The analogy to a computer's electrical wiring is hugely inadequate. Investigating chemistry in the soma and glia will lead to a revolution in our model of brain structure. It will be key to comprehend the molecules involved in hallucinatory states, and define exactly how the additiveness of electromagnetic fields and further kinds of coherence fields with nanoscale, quantum entangled molecular complexes works.
  • Double-slit Experiment, The Sequel
    There is no conceptual logic that I can see which would prevent two types of stuff bouncing off each other for all eternity. Please explain it if one does exist.Gary Enfield

    First, it is unlikely that there are exactly two types of stuff, particles and waves, absolutely differentiated. The reality must undoubtedly be so much more complex that duality ceases to have descriptive relevance. Second, all matter thus far experienced has evolved from common antecedents, so it is most likely that if particles ride a more foundational wave substance, the particles evolved out of it. Its not conceptually impossible for eternally distinct particle and "wave" substance to exist, nor is anything else, but the most probable explanation due to their pervasive interactiveness is that they have a common origin with impulsion towards combinatory states. As a fanciful example, if particles ride dark matter waves their behavior is probably mutualized enough with dark matter for whatever reason that this amounts to a synthetic substance in some degree.

    I'm not aware of any evidence that a particle/fundamentally different stuff differentiation exists.
  • Time travel to the past hypothetically possible?


    What about sending a signal into the past or future rather than a macroscopic object? This seems more possible, less impeded by classical physics, if a form of energy wave that transmits information fast enough is discovered. What if we could turn on a device and get detailed engineering blueprints from thousands of years in the future or receive messages from distant parts of the galaxy?
  • Consciousness and The Holographic Model of Reality
    I'll investigate but my filter for the extraordinary claims all too often made by misusing quantum phenomena outside of fundamental physics consist of works likes those of the late, eminent, particle physicist and philosopher Victor Stenger, particularly his book The Unconscious Quantum reviewed here. I'm quite skeptical as it is of the terms like "entanglement" and "superposition", "energy fields" and "non-locality" that you're using180 Proof

    From the article you linked to: “If mvd (mass*velocity*distance) is much greater than h, then the system probably can be treated classically. According to Vic, the mass of neural transmitter molecules and their speed across the distance of the synapse are about three orders of magnitude too large for quantum effects to be influential."

    I agree that neurotransmitters and their diffusion or transport probably taking place at hundreds of miles per hour is not likely to be involved in the superposition effects I'm proposing, which seems obvious from the fact that medications targeted to modify their concentrations do not produce hallucinations like LSD, psilocybin, etc. But molecular complexes amounting to systems of standing waves, or entangled superpositions in terms of individual wavicles, will have negligible velocity according to that definition, so perhaps the mass and distance values can be much larger. These basic standing waves amongst certain classes of biochemical arrays in cells may blend with global electromagnetic fields of the brain and body arising from nervous tissue etc. to produce a hybrid coherence field of extremely intricate complexity. This could be sufficient to generate the basic sensory field of perception.

    It should also be considered that cytoskeletal fibers may fix biochemical pathways in very specific orientations, thus conserving energy with extreme efficiency, so from the emerging quantum cell perspective h could generally be much more resilient to velocity than models based on traditional solution chemistry suggest.

    I'd have to get into the mathematical details to prove this, but using intuition, what else could qualia be besides compound wavelengths, a subjective "color" or more precisely a wide variety of quantum resonances?
  • Consciousness and The Holographic Model of Reality
    Interesting. Any experiments you can cite? Or thought-experiments currently entertained in scientific papers or books by physicists?180 Proof

    I'm not sure how far along research is at this point, but the organic mind itself in my estimation is probably superpositions of entanglement systems within entanglement systems or "coherence fields" (see recent science pertaining to photosynthetic reaction centers for a verified instance of the essential idea) involving specially adapted classes of molecule, integrated by the brain's electrical field. For the sensitivity of quantum processes to energy fields, see magnetoreception (wikipedia). This article by Johnjoe McFadden gives the basic idea of standing waves in the brain and what their integrating role might be: https://aeon.co/essays/does-consciousness-come-from-the-brains-electromagnetic-field. If you haven't read it already, I discussed this topic in depth with posters at this site in some of my threads:

    Qualia and Quantum Mechanics
    Qualia and Quantum Mechanics, The Sequel
    Qualia and Quantum Mechanics, the Reality Possibly
    The Double-slit Experiment and Quantum Consciousness

    That's a good start.
  • Consciousness and The Holographic Model of Reality
    How does "panpsychism" not beg the question it's designed to answer, namely, the what in the first place – fundamentally – gives rise to "psyche" (i.e. consciousness, sentience, experience, awareness, etc)?

    And is this speculation about nature even testable in any corroborable way?
    180 Proof

    I don't personally subscribe to panpsychism, though it makes a nice controversial conversation prompt. I'm more of a panprotopsychist: the elements which compose consciousness are present at a very fundamental level, though not nearly exhaustive of matter's total nature.

    It would be corroborable by experimenting with entanglement and superposition, correlating psychology to quantum biochemistry in the brain and body that interface it with all kinds of organ systems and environmental phenomena, and the like.
  • Consciousness and The Holographic Model of Reality
    If everything is mind, what's the mechanism by which it manifests illusions to fool its individual selves that, say, there is more-than-mind (e.g. mass, light, spacetime)?180 Proof

    The panpsychist concept can be explained as variables of nonlocal causality that synchronize wavicles instantaneously over relatively large distances as they move, a quantum wind. I think electric charge is a key coordinating component, but more factors undoubtedly exist. This might theoretically account for synchronicity in consciousness if scientifically observable somehow.

    The holographic aspect is a manifestation of this nonlocal causality in three dimensional sense-perception, and it more generally has a fractallike geometry from being built out of basic units of entangled superposition (wavicle blending) which can take effect as consciousness on multiple scales, from the organic brain to the entire biosphere and perhaps beyond.

    My intuition is that almost all matter has a modicum of consciousness, but the kind of awareness differs depending on the organization of basic units. The properties from which minds are constructed might be pervasive as size and shape, even if these constituents at a foundational level have no full-fledged motives. The sensing of objects as nonmental arises from qualities such as shape and size which are just as real as consciousness but not directly involved in the substance of being aware, though this boundary might be flexible and perhaps indistinct.
  • Double-slit Experiment, The Sequel
    I use the word "soul" in a context that only mathematicians can understand. It means not only superficial comprehension but deeper context, what lies beneath even the proof of the theory, a feeling of the actual substance of the concept. I would not be surprised if future development of quantum theory might arise from going to the soul of the math that seems to predict so well. If so, philosophers may be chipping away at pretty hard marble.jgill

    I incline to think you can only get so far with outlining real mechanisms by merely processing the math because the quantitative model in large measure subsumes only what it anticipates, and current quantum physics is quite limited. Its like a hotwheels corvette, you can do cool stuff with it like build lasers or superconductors as well as perform some relatively simple entanglement and retroactive causality experiments, but I want a blueprint for the equivalent of a real corvette that enables telepathically driven technology, teleportation, reverse engineered biochemical pathways and the like. That's going to require a fundamental reconceptualization of reality's structure, not merely calculation. Its similar to the soul idea you proposed, but directed primarily towards matter rather than math, though the math has an indispensable scaffolding function. I think my fine structure constant thread exemplifies this to a modest degree: Fine Structure Constant, The Sequel
  • Double-slit Experiment, The Sequel
    I don't see why the presence of 2 types of stuff underpinning reality is such a problem. Where is the conceptual difficulty in imagining two types of material underpinning the universe, and them interacting with each other? Why does that have to become two aspects of the same stuff?Gary Enfield

    Well the question then is how did these two types of stuff get differentiated if they interact? To explain that you have to presume the two types of stuff are different, divergent forms of the same stuff. Two fundamentally and eternally unfiliated stuffs that cocausate is preposterous.
  • Double-slit Experiment, The Sequel
    instead of imagining that particles miraculaously turn into waves, and then back again to form a dot on a detector, why not accept the simpler option of a hidden pool of stuff that is causing the wave which the particles ride?Gary Enfield

    Pilot wave theory does match that interpretation of the double-slit experiment and also manages to account for the mathematical parameters of nonlocal causation in general. How we can observe this hidden pool of stuff is the conundrum, and it is uncertain whether thus far undetectable waves even exist beyond the model.

    It might be possible that pilot wave theory and my morphing wavicle/electric charge theory are two ways of describing the same phenomenon, not perhaps mutually exclusive merely as models. If we consider realism of the situation, the pilot wave could be a figurative representation of the way known substances and their effects such as electric charge manifest, or electric charge effects could be a fallacious hypothesis about what is actually caused by pilot waves.

    I find an absolute wave/corpuscle duality problematic on philosophical grounds because it seems to me that reality must consist in different forms of a single substance. In essence, apparent dualism always resolves into a multifaceted monism within the most accurate explanations since initial conditions of all causal events are shared, even if this causality proves to arise from an eternal substrate. This doesn't necessarily preclude some realist model along these lines.

    If electric charge effects can be ruled out as a factor, then alternate hidden variables such as pilot waves can be considered I suppose, but electric charge and like forces might be an essential mechanism of nonlocality, necessitating no dramatically different form of matter to explain what is going on. Considering how closely linked electromagnetic activity is to biology and consciousness as we presently comprehend them, the discovery that at least some important nonlocal effects are contributed to by known particles and their electromotive sorts of forces as per my account could be illuminating. If my lightning bolt model is accurate in some way, the double-slit experiment might support this.
  • Double-slit Experiment, The Sequel
    The reason why I don't think that an electromagnetic field generated by the equipment would explain the effect is because the original experiment conducted by Thomas Young in the early 1800s used candles, not lasers.Gary Enfield

    I address this in the OP, might as well quote it for clarification purposes.

    It is easy to imagine a stream of wavicles interfering as they diffract through the slits to produce an array of light and dark bands on the florescent screen corresponding to in phase and out of phase waves. This would resemble the classic experiment performed in the 19th century (nonelectronic context), where a beam of light was diffracted by a single aperture to then pass through double slits as a spreading field which apparently interfered with itself and produced a similar result.

    Interference patterns from one at a time particle emission (the modern electronic emitter context) are a thornier outcome to account for. The typical explanation is that the wavicle passes through both slits to interfere with itself, spreading out in the double-slit chamber and then spontaneously collapsing in some way upon contact with the absorber surface to give a particulate signature. This “wave function collapse” mechanism is quite the brain teaser: does the wavicle spread out invisibly in the chamber as it diffracts and then somewhat mystically end up at a very localized endpoint? Why would many localized end points with no likeness to waves at all look like in phase and out of phase waves as they accumulate on the absorber screen? What exactly is going on?
    Enrique

    A single wavicle experiment has never been performed nonelectronically.
  • A Model of Consciousness
    I think the analogy to consciousness is a good one. I think people are blinded because consciousness is so personal. It must be special. But it's not.T Clark

    Exactly why I said, "I also consider solving the hard problem to be relatively typical as scientific progress, not anything constrained to the purview of philosophy as especially arcane or abstract". So we agree.
  • A Model of Consciousness
    I must admit, it don't get the whole "hard problem of consciousness" thing. For me, consciousness appears to be an emergent phenomena that arises through the interaction of physical and biological processes in the same way that life arises from chemistry. What's the big deal?T Clark

    I think consciousness is considered a difficult problem in philosophy because for hundreds of years it has proven impossible to explain how chemistry which is essentially nonexperiential produces the experience of "what it is like" to be someone. The experiential elements philosophy of mind terms qualia aren't simply in the objects of perception themselves, they're in the brain or somewhere else, and are not merely neurons but much more complex. Something further exists, but what it is has long been a mystery.

    I think I've figured out what the solution is going to look like, but the research is still to be performed that will identify exactly what molecules, anatomical systems and nonlocal phenomena are involved. I also consider solving the hard problem to be relatively typical as scientific progress, not anything constrained to the purview of philosophy as especially arcane or abstract, though Dennett, Nagel and more have made great thought experiments outlining some of the issues involved. The trick is seeing through the mind/body duality illusions which have been perpetuated.
  • A Model of Consciousness
    I think the mechanisms for consciousness presented in this post are highly unlikely. To tell the truth, I don't understand what the descriptions mean. I doubt that quantum mechanics has anything special to do with consciousness beyond it's influence on all small scale phenomena. If you are going to provide novel theories of mental phenomena, you should provide references that support your beliefs.T Clark

    I can give you a reference that a poster at this forum pointed me towards, written by a very well-respected science author, Johnjoe McFadden: https://aeon.co/essays/does-consciousness-come-from-the-brains-electromagnetic-field . It proffers similar concepts related to the role of emfs.
  • A Model of Consciousness
    One would be that by staying at the visible spectrum, we are putting aside non-visual qualia, such as sound and taste. It's quite hard, if not impossible, to try and figure out how what we hear resembles anything in nature. With sight, the issue seems to be easier (but maybe it is not): the color red resembles that apple I see. So what mechanism would have to be invoked that solves the problem of non-visual qualia?Manuel

    The idea is that all qualia are various kinds of superposition amongst large collections of waves or wavicles, and the range of possibilities is vast. So sound, touch, taste, smell, sight, feel are all at base different types of quantum resonance composed of diverse matter.

    we have no way of testing thisManuel

    Not yet, though researchers will find ingenious ways to accomplish it.
  • A Model of Consciousness
    Does your model follow certain aspects of Penrose's and Hammeroff's theory?Manuel

    The Orch-Or theory of Penrose and Hameroff as I grasp it seems to propose the qualitative as a cycle of coherence states occurring in microtubules, comprised of superpositions punctuated by wave function collapse. I agree that qualitative perception probably involves cyclical processes, feedback loops and such, but from what I read the microtubule mechanism has been discredited.

    My theory claims that emfs blended with the superpositioned entanglements of molecular complexes are responsible for qualitative perception. What better explanation for qualia than the same wave synthesis mechanism that produces a visible spectrum? Solves the biochemistry to qualia translation problem rather simply: most matter has qualialike features at a very basic level.

    The challenge will be to find these molecules that participate in highly organized additive (superpositioned) wavelength and which are also sensitive to emfs. I imagine the mechanism will be a synchrony of the electromagnetic fields generated by neuron synapsing with more conventional biochemistry in glial cells or the soma.

    There's also a huge leap between experience, such as the type of experience we attribute to say birds and self-consciousness, where we can reflect on this experience.Manuel

    I'm guessing that a bird's brain generates qualitativity in much the same way as our rather closely related human brains - emf/superposition hybridizing within a coordination of lobes - though the specifics of biochemistry are of course somewhat different.

    What would be the instrument that does that, if it is not psyche?Wayfarer

    The psyche will be proven to arise from physical principles, though this physical science of the future may be a collaborative synthesis with psychology and spirituality that we in the present day can barely fathom. I hope so!
  • A Model of Consciousness
    Maybe whatever binds the component functions into the subjective unity of experience is not electro-magnetic but psychic in nature. But then, science is not likely to discover that, because there’s no physical analogy for it, whereas electromagnetic fields are at least plausibly analogous to such a field, should there be one.Wayfarer

    Since standing electromagnetic wave signatures as measured by EEG are so closely tied to states of awareness, and these states correlated with biochemistry, it seems to me that the primary agent binding cellular anatomy into an integrated stream of consciousness within the brain is probably electromagnetic force exerted upon microscopic quantum nonlocalities such as superpositioned entanglements.

    But as far as coherence fields more generally, they doubtless have psychic properties which extend beyond the brain itself and interact with it via nonlocal causation. So electromagnetic fields may be one of a wide variety of coherence fields types. I think science will be able to eventually discover all kinds of coherence fields that have not to this point been classified for various reasons, and this will greatly enrich our technology and comprehension of psychology.
  • A Model of Consciousness
    EMF refers to an electromotive force; are you denoting the emergence of one, or merely abbreviating an Electromagnetic Field?Aryamoy Mitra

    I mean electromagnetic field.

    Rigorously, Quantum Nonlocality is a formalization of the measurement statistics associated with a QM system (constituents of which, for instance, may preclude the explanatory utility of local hidden variables). When you're invoking the phrase 'nonlocality of the natural world', are you being metaphorical - or literal?Aryamoy Mitra

    To my knowledge, nonlocality has been scientifically modeled to a minimal extent. What comes to my mind is causal connections that transcend Newtonian locality in objects and forces, as if reality has a wormholelike foundation so saturated with nonlocal processes that it is more akin to what I call a coherence field, a supraspacetime substrate of wavelike currents that synchronize matter, move across large distances almost instantaneously, and can transmit through matter as if it is stationary by comparison. Body and mind can feel and perceive this nonlocality just like eyes see color and ears hear sound, and like the senses as conventionally construed, some of this awareness is conscious, some semiconscious, and some unconscious.

    My theory is that it is trillions of pockets of quantum biochemistry within the body which enable an organism to experience this nonlocality, in mechanisms resembling magnetoreception. Chemical reactions that involve tunneling, superposition, entanglement and coherence are like microscopic nonlocal machinery functioning to link with the nonlocal causality permeating nature behind the scenes of our five senses.

    That's my intuition, the truth has yet to be modeled by science.

    are you suggesting that one elicit the Electromagnetic Fields generated by one's neuronal impulses - manipulate them, and discern whether they act as determinants to one's state of mind?Aryamoy Mitra

    I'm suggesting that the electromagnetic field of the brain and body is the binding agent of consciousness. We perceive and feel sensations with our quantum and thermodynamic biochemistry, and the organic emf makes this chemistry seem like a unified medium, an experiential field that biochemical processes occur within. Perception is the additiveness of quantum biochemistry within an emf substrate, amounting to extremely complex superpositions of entanglement systems within entanglement systems which take effect in both bottom up and top down ways. This quantum/electromagnetic hybridization is especially prevalent in the nervous system, and responsible for brain waves as registered by an EEG.

    One can interpret this proposition, but how might one commence an endeavor to verify it? Qualia are neither empirically amenable, nor traceable by scientific edifices (with a few exceptions, perhaps, in neuropsychological constructs).Aryamoy Mitra

    Exactly, by neuropsychological constructs, but subjects must report their personal experiences in a detail that has not yet been approached, and entirely new classes of molecule will probably need to be discovered before we solidly grasp quantum features of qualia and qualitative perception.


    I'll stop to see what you guys think of that, and then maybe we can get into more specifics where you're interested or willing.
  • Do Physics Equations Disprove the Speed of Light as a Constant?
    I started a new thread for the philosophy of mind topic we began to address titled "A Model of Consciousness" in case , or anyone else wants to discuss.