How much of the bible have you scrapped? — Gnostic Christian Bishop

No two bibles say the same thing my brother. lol

Let's chat morals — Gnostic Christian Bishop

no, you are simply seething with hatred as you were on all the other sites. It is close to impossible to converse with people clearly at the best of times, & with someone as disturbed as you it is absolutely nonsensical to even try. You will rant & pour out hatred towards God for your entire life till you start meeting with God & become wiser.

God just called you a damaged vessel that is trying to mask itself as a whole vessel. God's words, not mine.

Ask your god Yahweh why he does the satanic thing instead of the Jesus thing — Gnostic Christian Bishop

well I was like you when I met God in person. I questioned God's ethics based upon the religious ideas the world of man had taught me. I discovered it was like an ignorant foolish child questioning the wisdom of an elder. You have to meet God in person again & again & learn how to be with God frequently & hear Him Speak. It takes a long time to understand God just a little. Small amounts of knowledge leaves many questions, but after being with God for a long time you'll have no more questions & will be happy with God & will love God with all your being.

Religious people always debate ideas with each other. They rarely see eye to eye & even contradict their own scriptures frequently. And they taught religion to the world. LOL. So our ideas (knowledge) about religion & the truth about God it holds are faulty. Religious folk killed Jesus in the story. So they were seeing religion as superior to God, & they still do. One religious man came to my door to preach & when I said that I have met God he demanded that I believe the bible & not the God I had met. So you can see how people think religion is absolute truth when it is not. It is very much like today's news reports which captivate us fully at first, till we learn in the following days that things didn't actually happen the way the original report said they did.

God just spoke & said religious people are parrots. LOL
Keep an open mind towards God my brother. It is worth your very soul. Never turn your back on God. Don't ever do that please

Nothing that I know of, other than personal renderings or hear say, has ever been produced or provide to show the existence of a supernatural realm or entities. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Since I was a kid growing up in an atheist family The Angel of God would manifest & take me away with him & teach me things. He would take me to The garden of Eden & to see The saints in Heaven. He would take me to Hell & I was made to watch people being herded in & judged one by one, & then they were thrown into the fiery lake & i had to watch them burning in agony. God has taken me there many times & it is very real. God says the earth is a school where all souls are sent at some stage to learn about good & evil & become good. God says "The only thing people own are the good deeds they do on earth". God says that the earth is ruled by Satan which is God's Police Force that keeps people struggling with the lower nature instead of mingling with angels etc. God says that no angels can manifest on earth or they will be torn apart by Satan's dogs. Personally I witnessed 2 angels being ripped apart by the beasts when they tied to manifest. Another time an angel manifested & within minutes a powerful buzzing noise came out of the sky & a huge orb appeared & scared the angel away instantly. So it is not easy for the angels of God to manifest. They have to wait till the coast is clear & then they manifest only for short periods.
Of course it is obvious that no one can be expected to believe a thing I say. And you are very bitter & negative towards the idea that a God truly exists & yet does nothing.
All I can suggest is that you try to make your life more pleasant by keeping an open mind & refusing to indulge in negative thought processes which only darken your mood. If you keep an open mind toward God then I am sure that God will manifest some personal proof for you sooner or later.

Is the trinity logically incoherent?

Anyone know of any theist who has explained this issue? — Walter Pound

I have met The Trinity of God thousands of times in person & what I found is that God is a number of beings that merge into one being.

It's kind of like when a person goes astral travelling & remains connected to their body via a thread type spiritual appendage that stretches infinitely. The soul flying around & exploring the astral worlds is the same person as the one lying in recline or meditating back at home on earth. And the one back on earth may be an ancient old grouchy thing while the soul flying around can be very youthful in appearance & behaviour. So they do not look or act the same. God is like that. It sends out aspects of itself into the various levels of the heavens & earth etc & they all remain connected to their source & are one with it. That's what God is like & that's how God can exist as a Trinity to some religions. Other religions see God as many more beings in one because God is everywhere at once & so must utilise many more bodies than just 3 & they all can manifest in unique ways depending on the environment they manifest into. However there are 3 basic aspects to God's nature.

God just spoke & said that "people have cherubim angel guards with them as well."

Cherubim angelic guards hold people away from The Tree of Life their souls come from.

In Genesis Cherubim angels are assigned to keep man at bay away from The Tree of eternal life. So people have them around them also, as well as The Trinity of God Itself

YOU have always existed? I did suspect you are a relation to Jesus the Christ. — god must be atheist

can't you see yourself for what you are? Take a step back & look at yourself. Repent your evil ways my brother/sister.

I think you need to hone your own personal definition of what comprises a proof, and get it more in line with the way the rest of the gang here uses that word. — god must be atheist

if you are in the gang then it is the last place any civilised person would want to be. Thank you for the offer though........* backs slowly away without making eye contact

It is statistically highly unlikely that you'd find yourself in a position where you could save lives from random accidental deaths. I was saved twice, from absent-mindedly walking under speeding cars, — god must be atheist

3rd time lucky. lol

I recall one time I was in a busy outdoor mall where thousands of people were roaming around, & there was a man who was calling out for help & saying he had just gone blind & could not find where the seats were so he could sit down & figure out what to do next. He was really distressed & obviously not trying to hoax anyone. But not one person would help him & so I took his arm & led him to the seating area.
Another time a man had a heart attack on the sidewalk & his old mother was with him in total panic, & all the thousands of rich healthy people just ignored him; & I instantly took him & his mother in the car to the emergency department.
Another time all the people just ate icecreams & watched a boy being slowly electrocuted to death after he accidentally grabbed a live power line. Not one person would help & I had to find some wood & pry his burnt hands from the wire. He eventually regained consciousness & begged all the people for help, showing them his horribly burnt & mutilated hands, yet no one would even talk to him.
I could go on & on with many instances where I have rescued people or saved their lives when no one else would. & I often have put my own life in danger in order to rescue them. Like I swim out into dangerous rip tides after women & children get swept out to sea & are drowning & no one will save them. It is almost certain death but I plunge in & save them all regardless.

I'm not a hero type person, I just see it as the right thing to do. Yet I notice that generally no one else is like me & they will not lift a finger to help other people who definitely need help. Most people only like to commit acts of selfishness.

Still I would be hesitant to give money to foreign lands because obviously the money would never reach the starving people on the ad.

I perpetually notice that people can only see their own ideas when they read or see things. If their own ideas are not in those things then they ignore or brush over them & brush them out of the way. People only see themselves, & if any person has power then they will inevitably dismiss all people who do not think or act like themselves; or fit into their lives in some helpful manner.

A comedian on stage will tell jokes that mock & insult people's irregularities. A corrupt leader will sentence to death or imprison any citizen or person who does not think like them or act in the correct manner.

There was one person who was told by the doctor that he had terminal cancer & so he did gradually wither & die. But when the autopsy was done it was found that he didn't have cancer after all.

Another person had an incurable disease that many suffer from, but a person who did not know this tried hypnotising the ill person & telling him that the disease would heal now; which it did completely.

So an incurable disease was cured by suggestion, & a healthy man was killed by the simple suggestion that he had cancer.
This demonstrates the power that people can have over us if we believe them. Even when they are 100% wrong.

There is also the story of the girl who fell asleep by the fire & when she awoke she had a different personality entirely. She was a completely different person, to the alarm of her parents, & then a year later she fell asleep by the fire & when she woke up she was her old self again. This happened a number of times, & she was taken to a hypnotist who put her into a trance & ordered her old self to come back to her.
She went limp like a dead person & a loud voice came out of her, & all the people in the building & waiting room heard it & ran. They stated later it sounded like the voice of God. The voice told the two hypnotists to leave the girl alone or It would take the girl's soul away & leave her dead body behind.

There are countless stories like that which prove that mankind's medicine & knowledge are not very developed after all & know next to nothing about the true nature of "The Self".

Psychology & psychiatry were also something the nazis used to torture & kill people. Anyone who did not look & think like them was obviously an inferior life form with an inferior mind that must be removed etc.

If God appears to you they will say you imagined it. Because all they can perceive about God is their own imaginings & beliefs etc. And if they are atheists or nazis then that is all they will project onto others. It happens 24/7 on the entire web & world & there is no exception. So be very careful about what you allow yourself to believe. If you put your faith blindly in someone else then you are nothing more than a cult type member thing who believes the most ridiculous things.
You have to only believe in yourself & develop & expand your own mind by opening it to God. It's like a flower opening to the sun's light. You'll see things much clearer when you let God be your teacher & guide

but the main point is that one cannot say with any level of certainty that God even does exist as anything more than a matter of religion — Maureen

well personally God has Always proved His Existence to me by showing me the near future & it always comes true in the following days or hours. Sometimes it is absolutely bizarre stuff which I would never imagine could happen in my life, & yet it happens just as God told me it would.

So I'm well aware that God is watching my path ahead & has eyes where I do not. So all this perpetual proof of God's very real existence denies me the capacity to be an atheist or a skeptic. And that is just the tip of the iceberg of the manifestations & other things God has shown me.

And yet when Christians knock on my door wanting to tell me about God they look at me in horror when I say I have met God. They simply don't believe it is possible to meet God & so they are even more ignorant than atheists. And when I go to any Christian website & tell them I have met the Person (God) they all worship & discuss all day & night 'they instantly mock/insult& ban me.

So all the stories about gods & Christ etc, existing before their religions came about, can either be believed or disbelieved. The choice is yours.

If you are looking for concrete evidence of God then there is none & never will be. God is an infinitely superior life form. He is like the person on the outside of the fish tank or dark cave we are all in. We can only know about God from the words of our fellow man & if we refuse to believe them then that is the end of the proof we have been given. There won't be anymore unless God manifests to you in person. And then you will become one of the people that the world does not believe.
It's like the way airforce pilots are forbidden from reporting ufo's that they see when they are up in the sky. The world of man just cannot comprehend such things & so it is dismissed as an anomaly & nothing more.

So if you are asking for proof that this god or that god existed before their religion did, then all you can receive is the words of man in return & you possibly will dismiss that as lies.

In what capacity did God exist before religion came about, if at all? How do we know this?

well it all comes down to whether you believe your fellow man or not. I've watched countless people join forums to report a miracle or encounter they had with God or angels etc, & without fail 'most' all the forum members attack & insult the new poster & force them into silence. There are millions, if not billions, of people who have witnessed God &/or miracles & they all were insulted & silenced when they joined a forum &/or tried to tell the world what they saw.
So the world is generally evil & wicked & that today predominantly means the webmasters & mods are the main culprits because they have always allowed the bullying & horrendous abuse of anyone who has witnessed a manifestation of God.

We instinctively know the good, in fact, we default to doing good as it is the best survival strategy. History shows us that what we are learning to do is mitigate the evil we must do as we compete for resources to survive. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Well from decades of witnessing the good people of the earth trying to report their encounters with God, only to be met/silenced on 'every site' by evil webmasters & mods & their evil dogs they call 'members' , I can say without any doubt that the world of man is evil & demonic '& has zero ability/capacity to appreciate truth & the reality of God 'as reported by their own fellow man.
So all you have is a world of closed minded devils silencing anyone who has witnessed God, & you need concrete evidence that God exists before you will believe in God.
It's the usual atheist's demand for proof before one will submit oneself to believing in God.

Personally I have always been visited by the angels of God & shown The tree of Life & other worlds etc. God shows me the future thousands of times & it always comes true. And yet I have been mocked & abused by most all Christian websites & christian people when I told them I have met God in person. So religious folk are every bit as closed minded as the atheists & devils etc.

Christ walked the earth before christianity was formed & yet all we have is stories about him that can easily be dismissed. Again we only have the word of our fellow man as proof & that is never enough.

I don't think that's true. I can speak for the Ancient Egyptian Religion, which is my personal area of study. There are some elements: tree goddesses (Nut, Hathor), gods of vegetation as symbols of rebirth and virility (Osiris, Min), the young sun being born from a Lotus flower(Creation Myth of Neith). But this coherent, universal story about the tree of life and its flowers? I can't see that anywhere in Egyptian mythology, least of all at its core. — WerMaat

this is an ancient piece of art from Egypt or thereabouts. It shows the two angels each person has with them & they are holding branches which are holding soul orbs in their grip, & the person the angels are watching over is seated on top of the same type of flower branch that the soul orbs are seated on the other branches. It all means that the tree produces souls that are the humans' souls & the angels of God work with the tree to protect & guide the souls. A lot of Egyptian & ancient art referring to the tree of life is misinterpreted, but this piece is pretty straight forward & points to the tree of life as the centre of creation from which all souls come, & also that the angels of God work with the tree as it is producing & growing eternal souls. I could show you thousands of ancient art works that point to the tree of life as the primary deity whom all other deities stem from & work for.


And also in this ancient Egyptian art work we can see a human seated on a flower & on the far right there is a soul orb seated on the flower. This is all standard Ancient Egyptian lessons about how peoples souls come from The tree of Life & grow on its flowers that hold them.


And here we see The tree of life symbolised as an ancient goddess with flowers growing out the top of her head. And she is holding an Ankh symbol to represent that the tree holds the human soul as it is growing on her branch She is also pointing an ankh toward a person to symbolise that she puts all souls into people & holds them there. It is all just the knowledge of The tree of Eternal Life. The original religion from Which most all religions branched from

God has shown me many things & one day I saw God sitting on a high place creating universes. Each one is like the cell of a honeycomb that fits into all the others & yet is self contained. I asked God how he was creating the universes & he described that he uses the light that people call "God" to will them into existence, & they are all replicas of the other. God would create a universe & then we would go into it & explore it for a while, & then God would repeat the process.

Our own science thinks that in one sense everything is created from light. Yogis are said to be able to hold a crystal glass filled with water in their hands & the light of their own aura cumulates in the water & creates a mini universe in there.
The Vedas state that God lives in water & His aura creates the universes naturally inside the water.
The Bible states that God created the light first of all & then created a space inside water to put the universe in. And water remained above the universe when creation was finished.
So it is a bubble of light energy under water. And I have personally watched God creating universes from light & he explained how he does it & then took me into those universes.

No I don't expect you to understand or believe. hohoho

I simply want to dispel another notion that this thread states as fact. The notion that God cannot do the simple things that people can do etc. That is totally false. God can do absolutely everything we can do & infinite more things. I have held God's hand & walked with God many times. We eat & drink together & enjoy the sights & journeys we go on.

You need to comprehend a simple part of life first. You are a soul in a body & the soul is like an orb of intelligent electric energy that has no physical senses & yet it can experience what the mortal senses are experiencing when it is inside a body. As a spiritual soul you can do nothing on earth but when you are in a body you can do anything & experience everything through that body. That is what God does also. He utilises various bodies to manifest in & experiences & does everything through those bodies. So God is just the same as you or I & can do anything we can do & more. We fall unconscious for a moment when we die & yet God leaves his body in full consciousness & enters a different body. So God can do everything we can do & more. I often see God carrying a body suit around in preparation to use it to manifest in the earth realm.

There is a far deeper aspect to God & the soul that I haven't mentioned. The Spirit of God & our own souls come from bodies that are vastly superior to earth bodies. God has taken me to see it all & I have met countless people that God also showed these things to. Our souls & God's soul enter bodies & live lives in the material world & the other levels of the heavens & do & experience all things in all those worlds; & yet all of our souls are from vastly superior bodies which are waiting back at our source.

So I know from decades of vast experience that God is not limited in any way that this thread is trying to put forth. I understand your logic but it is based on incomplete knowledge & understandings & that has led you astray. You'll need to meet God in person to know more about God.

all ancient religions pointed to The tree of Eternal Life as the true God. It extends a branch into everyone & plants a soul in them by opening a crescent shape flower inside them & bringing out a new soul from within itself. It then leads the soul through the earth to experience good & evil & learn how to be good. That was the foundation of all religions. The Bible on the first pages & the last says only the tree of life can save your soul ultimately, even though you may obey Jesus & Father along the way etc. Hindus say their main God Brahma was born from a flower, & they put most all their deities on flowers because ultimately The tree of Life produces us all from its flowers at soul level. The Islam flag is the ancient symbol of the crescent flower of the tree of life holding the soul; although they changed the orb usually depicted to a star instead. It was sometimes depicted as a star to emphasise its brightness. It comes from within the tree & is held by the crescent flower of the tree inside each human temple.

So to answer your question about what came first 'the religion or the god' I am saying that knowledge of The tree of Life came before all known religions. All the gods work for the tree & came from it. Still there is no proof for its existence except people's experiences. I saw someone's post recently where God gave the person a dream explaining that The tree of Life is in the centre of creation & is responsible for all things. I could understand the dream clearly but no amount of explaining could help the person understand what the dream meant. The person needs to learn by experience & that entails 'meeting God in person & being taken to see The tree of Life. Then one will understand what God & religion is talking about. So the real issue is how to get people to open their minds to God in a world that is shaped by atheism & the dreaded fear of the unknown

I have been visited by God all of my life & God demonstrated to me the science he uses to control the universe while staying outside of time & space.

What we think of as the material universe & world is only actually an energy. And that energy is moving at a particular wavelength/speed which is the Primary Dimension of the universe.

We mortals measure the 3 dimensions of objects including the universe & that presents us with measurements in time & space, that we are always striving to find newer ways to work with & overcome; in order to improve our lives.
But the basic (primary) unseen dimension of the universe is its wavelength & that dimension dictates the measurements of what all the other dimensions will be within the universe.

So when God manipulates the wavelength of the universe & of himself he completely steps out of the dimensions & their measurements that we are all locked & bound tightly in.

And so we see a universe that is vast & unconquerable 'while God sees a holographic type 'insignificant illusion that can be put aside completely & manipulated in any way at all.


God has demonstrated this to me over & over & let me hold metallic magnetic type elements that alter the wavelength of any atoms coming near them.
God builds very real solid gates from these simple elements & when we walk through the gates our atoms have their wavelength instantly changed & we enter a parallel world with all new dimensions & measurements, that are totally different than the earth's dimensions. It is completely real & stunning to experience.

I've watched millions of beautiful people join forums over the years to describe the wonders God has shown them, & without fail every person was instantly mocked into silence by the ignorant people who infest every forum. And not one webmaster or vile mod god has ever stopped the people from being mocked into silence.
Every webmaster & mod ignorantly works to facilitate & uphold the mockery of anyone who has a wonderful tale to tell about their meetings or experiences with God etc. In this way the web has always destroyed most all new knowledge the world of man has about God.
It does that by luring & destroying every new individual, as they arrive on demon infested sites to tell their wonderful story. It allows them to be insulted & bullied into silence.


So the good people of the world, & all the others, are without much new information about God because the web has destroyed/silenced all the people who tried to give that new information. Instead you are stuck with the old scriptures which cannot be removed so easily & yet have very little scientific type information about God.

Anyway I just found this forum a minute ago & haven't read any of your comments yet. But I read a bit of the opening post & it mentions how God can do everything mortals cannot do, & I just wanted to explain that God can do all those things because God has an extra dimension (direction/measurement) to work with, & that dimension is the speed of the wavelength that the earth & universe is made from.
By stepping aside from that wavelength God steps outside of space & time & can shrink all of space to zero & be anywhere in the universe at once; & stop time completely & casually walk around us, (at what to us would be the speed of light), & manipulate everything that happens in the world of man down to a T.
And we would experience it as miracles & impossible coincidences etc when it is actually just a science God is using to step outside of time so that he can manipulate everything that happens inside of time.

God has demonstrated vast amounts of his powers to me & I know they are true. God shows me the future thousands of times & it always comes true even when I think it is not possible for such things to happen.
So I know God is real & from real life experience with God I know that he simply uses science to control time & space & everything that is locked inside them. It is all so very simple to God & it could be simple to our own scientists too when they figure out how to manipulate the wavelength of the energy that the earth & universe are made from