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  • Tao follows Nature
  • What are the top 5 heavy metal albums of all time?
    ↪Moliere
    Type O Negative is awesome. They're Toxic Chads. Only Toxic Virgins hate them (as in, metalheads in general).

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  • Tao follows Nature
    ↪PoeticUniverse


    All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace

    I like to think (and
    the sooner the better!)
    of a cybernetic meadow
    where mammals and computers
    live together in mutually
    programming harmony
    like pure water
    touching clear sky.

    I like to think
    (right now, please!)
    of a cybernetic forest
    filled with pines and electronics
    where deer stroll peacefully
    past computers
    as if they were flowers
    with spinning blossoms.

    I like to think
    (it has to be!)
    of a cybernetic ecology
    where we are free of our labors
    and joined back to nature,
    returned to our mammal
    brothers and sisters,
    and all watched over
    by machines of loving grace.     — Richard Brautigan
  • Tao follows Nature
    Every cell is a triumph of natural selection. — Carl Sagan



  • What are the top 5 heavy metal albums of all time?
    BTW, here's a cool take on Slayer: — Arcane Sandwich

    And here's the song that they're talking about (kick-ass song BTW)

  • Tao follows Nature
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    ↪Leontiskos
    A good rule of thumb for everyone is to keep in mind that, during a conversation, if it just so happens that good common sense needs to be praised, then something about the conversation has gone terribly wrong. At least that's my admittedly ignorant opinion on such matters.

    (Edited for clarity)
  • Tao follows Nature
    I live by the beach, you see.
    Artificial Intelligence don't mean a thing to me.
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    ↪Banno
    :rofl:
  • Can we record human experience?
    Are there two "things" in the brain replacement scenario? — RogueAI

    There is no brain/mind duality in that scenario, as if it were a duality between a res extensa (the brain) and a res cogitans (the mind), because the mind is not a thing (it's not a res), it's instead something that the brain does (the act of minding is a process that the brain undergoes, just as the act of digestion is a process that the gut undergoes, just as the act of walking is a process that the legs undergo).

    But there are two brains in the hypothetical case of a brain transplant. In that sense, yes, there are two things. Does one of them turn into the other one, if we proceed with a small step-by-step replacement of cells, or even atoms? I have no idea what the answer to that question is, but I'm not sure that I would describe such an operation as a "brain transplant". When someone gets a kidney transplant, this doesn't occur partially, it occurs fully, one thing replaces another thing, one brain replaces another brain. It's not the step-by-step incremental replacement of one and the same brain by small incremental changes of its parts.

    If my brain is slowly replaced while I'm conscious the whole time, do I "become" some other person at some point? — RogueAI

    Here's the thing: this has actually happened already. Eventually, all of the cells of our bodies, even all of our atoms, get replaced by new ones. In that sense, we're like the Ship of Theseus. Your brain is not composed of the same atoms that it was composed when you were a child. It's an entirely different brain. So, are you still the same person? Or are you a different person? I think that you're still the same person, just as I am still the same person. If someone has Alzheimer, and they lose brain mass because of it, do they turn into a different person? I don't think so.

    Or is there only just "me": me at the beginning of the process and me at the end. — RogueAI

    I don't know, you tell me. I think it's still you.
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    Now you're getting it. — Banno

    Oh, so I didn't get it before, but now I do? It's not possible that I got it, and I just happened to disagree with some of the premises that lead to the conclusion of the argument in question? Ok. Sure, you can believe that. You can believe whatever you want, everyone has the basic human right to have mistaken beliefs.
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    ↪Banno
    Fruit flies and so does time. The old man the boat. The horse raced past the barn fell.
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    You use tools, and you use words. — Banno

    I use fire to cook my food. Doesn't mean that fire is a tool, or a word.
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    words are the tools of philosophers — Banno

    Are they, though? From the POV of ordinary language, a word is not a tool. A hammer is a tool. A word isn't.
  • Is mathematics the empress of science? An article.
    I'm not sure how to interpret this statement. If math is an exercise in pure logic and pure logic is a human construct, then so is math. So, is pure logic not a human construct? — jgill

    Yes, but please hold on a second here, look closely at what the first sentence of that quote is saying:

    My position is first that mathematics is an exercise in pure logic.

    This is, in a nutshell, the main goal of the logicist program, and it has never been reached. Not to my mind, anyways. Simply put, some parts of math can be reduced to logic. Some other parts can't. No one has demonstrated that mathematics can be entirely reduced to logic. To believe that such a thing is achievable is no different than believing that some other unfulfilled goal is achievable. Shorter: it's like believing that we can bring back extinct species from the dead. My own take on that is: show me that it's possible, and I'll believe you. Otherwise, there's no reason for me to believe you.
  • Tao follows Nature
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    It's just crazy nonsense to say that there were no divisions before humans, but divisions existed afterwards. — frank

    Yup, I agree. But some philosophers would still argue with you, for theoretical reasons (i.e., mereological universalists, who also happen to be metaphysical permissivists).
  • 2025: 50th anniversary of Franco's death...
    I hardly believe that some would confront you for being anti-español. — javi2541997

    It doesn't start like that, but that's how it ends. It starts as a general "Left vs Right" thing, then the conversation progressively degenerates until someone dares to accuse the other of being anti-Spanish, and at that point it just turns into a fist fight, unless someone steps in and stops the discussion before it ends in a fight.

    EDIT: Even if another Argentine tells me something like "¿Qué te pasa, anti-español pelotudo?", we're no longer talking about politics, like, you're telling me that you're willing to physically fight me, just to impose your mistaken beliefs on me. And I'm not gonna have that. I'm not going to ignore what you just said in that situation, and I'm not going to de-escalate the situation either. We're far past that point if you, as an Argentine, say that to me in person, to my face. Like, if you say it on the Internet, on a Web Forum for example, I don't care.
  • Can we record human experience?
    What if you do it slowly? Suppose that 1% of my brain is replaced with someone else's and I'm awake for the whole thing. And then another percent...At what point do I stop being me? — RogueAI

    That's a brutal question, and it's more or less the same question that arises in the paradox of material constitution (i.e., the case of a piece of clay and the clay statue that it constitutes). But it's even worse when you ask it about a brain, because there is arguably an ontological difference between inorganic objects (such as a statue) and an organism (such as a human being). I have no answer to your question, it's an extremely tough thing to even think about.
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    The section in the link ↪Arcane Sandwich provided on eliminativism covers some of the theories I am talking about. — Count Timothy von Icarus

    Right, but eliminativism in this sense is a metaphysical thesis, while mereological nihilism is a thesis about the part-whole relation (hence, van Inwagen's SCQ: when do two objects A and B compose a third object C? The nihilist answer is "never", hence there are no cats, no mats, no trees no dogs, etc. So, nihilism in the mereological sense arguably entails eliminativism in the metaphysical sense, though some nihilists have attempted to resist this entailment).

    Van Inwagen himself was an eliminativist in the metaphysical sense, but he was a particularist in a mereological sense. He believe that the only case in which composition occurs is when there is a plurality of objects (a plurality of "x"s, he called them) such that their activities constitute a life (understood as the composition of an event, rather than the composition of an object), in which that life, as an event (it would be more like a process, really) imposes sufficient unity on the parts that compose it as an event, and in such a sense, that life as an event constitutes a new object, a whole, which would be an organism (a living being).

    So, according to van Inwagen, only two kinds of objects exist, in a metaphysical, ontological sense: fundamental particles, and organisms. Stones don't exist, neither do tables. It's just "quarks and animals" to use a metonymy.

    Personally, I don't agree with such metaphysical views, nor with such a restricted answer to the Special Composition Question. I'm a particularist about composition, but I think that it occurs in far more cases than just organisms. I think that stones and tables exist just as much as quarks and animals do.
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    To me, many of these conclusions seem like the conclusions of a reductio argument. — Count Timothy von Icarus

    That could well be the case. (BTW the Problem of the Many is absolutely brutal form a purely intellectual standpoint, it's like the problem of material constitution, i.e. the case of the clay statue and the piece of clay that it co-incides with).
  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    And you can subdivide these into positive and skeptical theses. So, mereological nihilism is not a super uncommon position. This is the position that, at the metaphysical or physical level, there are no proper wholes, no substances/things. Certainly "something exists" prior to humans, but it isn't inclusive of organic wholes that one can be right or wrong about delimiting — Count Timothy von Icarus

    Yes, but there are two other options, for answering van Inwagen's Special Composition Question: mereological particularism, and mereological universalism.

    The former says that composition occurs sometimes, and sometimes it does not.

    The latter says that composition always occurs. This view is far crazier than mereological nihilism, because it leads straight to the related metaphysical view on ordinary objects, which says that in addition to ordinary objects, there are extra-ordinary objects, such as a trog (a mereological fusion of a tree and a dog), an incar (a car that ceases to exist when it leaves a garage), a curltpillar (a caterpillar-like object that begins to exist when an ordinary caterpillar rolls up into a ball), etc. It gets really crazy. (EDIT: the view in question is called "metaphysical permissivism". It's not identical to mereological universalism, but the two are closely related, and it's an open question whether or not universalism in the mereological sense entails permissivism in the metaphysical sense).

    In case anyone is interested, you can find more information about these ideas in the SEP entry on Ordinary Objects.
  • The artists and AI
    For art is boundless, vast, and free,
    A testament to what could be.
    And whether born of hands or steel,
    Its purpose stays to make us feel.     — RogueAI

    "Us" who? Humans and machines? Do machines feel? If they don't, then art has no purpose for machines, because that purpose, as stated in the quoted verse, is to make "us" feel (us, who?).

  • Can we record human experience?
    Until when?
    Until every Meth-Lab Burns to Ashes.
  • Can we record human experience?
    It fits tho right? I like the idea of phriends, at least in philosophy -- peeps you like to hear from even though you know there's something different in your respective beliefs. — Moliere

    But every human being is in that club, matey :death:
    There is no human being that does not philosophize
    Or at least that's what the curricula says that we have to say in the first class of Philosophy 101
    And I take exception at that
    Why would everyone philosophize?
    Is Philosophy a disease?
    Is it a Sin?
    Is it "a Good Thing"?
    Is it "a Bad Thing"?
    Philosophy has many ugly qualities, and I say that objectively, because it is a fact.
    And yes, I like controversial penultimate lines in my verses.





  • Can we record human experience?
    phriends ;) :) — Moliere

    lol
  • The artists and AI
    All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace

    I like to think (and
    the sooner the better!)
    of a cybernetic meadow
    where mammals and computers
    live together in mutually
    programming harmony
    like pure water
    touching clear sky.

    I like to think
    (right now, please!)
    of a cybernetic forest
    filled with pines and electronics
    where deer stroll peacefully
    past computers
    as if they were flowers
    with spinning blossoms.

    I like to think
    (it has to be!)
    of a cybernetic ecology
    where we are free of our labors
    and joined back to nature,
    returned to our mammal
    brothers and sisters,
    and all watched over
    by machines of loving grace.     — Richard Brautigan
  • 2025: 50th anniversary of Franco's death...
    ¿Que os pasa, anti-Español hijo de puta? — Arcane Sandwich

    Finally, imagine a "white" Castilian (as in, someone with beige skin, black hair, and black eyes) say this to a "white" Andalucian (as in, someone with beige skin, black hair, black eyes). What do you think is gonna happen? They'll try to kill each other, it is what it is. Visigoths vs Moors, that's what this particular instance of the conflict boils down to. Unless, of course, you wanna make it about Christianity vs Islam, or Europe vs Africa. Or, "Westerner" vs "Easterner". It just makes no sense if it can be all of that at the same time. Hence, the technical term here is fratricide. There's just no other way (to my mind) to describe it.

    EDIT: And, obviously, the conflict doesn't end there, either. Imagine a Spaniard (like Javi, for example) saying this:

    ¿Que os pasa, anti-Español hijo de puta? — Arcane Sandwich

    to an Argentine like me. It's like, we're going to try to kill each other. Good thing that we're on an Internet Forum, because if Javi or another Spaniard says that to me in the same physical room, then, it's like, you're not leaving this room alive, mate. Nah just kidding, I would never kill Javi (unless there are circumstances in which I find it Ethical to do so). Otherwise, if he says that to me, I'll just say the same thing back, only with a slight Rioplatense variation:

    "¿Qué os pasa, Peninsular hijo de puta?"

    And that sort of mentality is what the Spanish-born Patriots had when they fought the Argentine War of Independence against the Spanish Empire. You see, it's an endless conflict, and it's idiotic, it doesn't make sense. So, at the end of the day, instead of saying an insult like that, I would say to someone like Javi: Here's a song that I like that talks about that, and I like the song, because I would rather listen to a song with you, than try to kill you, if I have the choice.



    Con adorno del buen escolazo
    En tus manos

    dejo Flor de Espadas

    Para que tengas

    Sepa el boncha que la va de liso:
    Yo soy dueño de la mano brava

    Dioses del abismo
    Guardarán mi marca

    Para sí
    O para aquel
    Como vos
    Y como nosotros tres

    Que viajando
    En el sonido

    Lo soñamos ayer
    Y lo cumplimos hoy

    Con adorno de buen escolazo
    En tus manos dejo flor de espadas

    Dioses del abismo
    Guardarán mi marca

    Para sí
    O para aquel
    Como vos

    Y como nosotros tres

    Que viajando
    En el sonido

    Lo soñamos ayer
    Y lo cumplimos hoy     — Almafuerte
  • 2025: 50th anniversary of Franco's death...
    ¿Que os pasa, anti-Español hijo de puta? — Arcane Sandwich

    And now imagine that a white Mexican says this to a mestizo Mexican during Spanishness Day (Día de la Hispanidad). Do you see how grim this whole thing is? It's brutal.
  • 2025: 50th anniversary of Franco's death...
    ¿Que os pasa, anti-Español hijo de puta? — Arcane Sandwich

    Now imagine a Castilian saying this to a Catalan. Imagine a Catalan saying this to a Basque. Imagine a Basque saying this to an Andalucian. Imagine an Andalucian saying this to an Aragonese. Repeat until more than half of the population dies. If half of the population hasn't died by now, keep repeating it until it happens.
  • 2025: 50th anniversary of Franco's death...
    And now a ski lift has collapsed in Northern Spain. Hey, wait: Don't blame Spain. It might very well be the fault of the French or the Germans. — BC

    I don't know. What I know is what you're probably getting at there, if I were to read between the lines. But no, the Spanish essence (Hispanidad) is an extremely dark, depressing subject matter to think about. Because, at the end of the day, after hours and hours of mutual accusations and rebuttals from the Spanish Left Winger -versus- the Spanish Right Winger, both of them arrive at the same exact conclusion, which they say to each other:

    ¿Que os pasa, anti-Español hijo de puta?

    And once that's said, the dialogue is over, and the actual physical fight starts. If no one steps in to stop it, it will end in death. That might seem senseless to your mind. Well, you wouldn't be wrong. It is indeed senseless. It's just senseless violence.

    But that's what "being Spanish" is all about. The Spanish Essence Day (Día de la Hispanidad) is national holiday in many South American countries, including Argentina. It's also a national holiday in Mexico, and in some countries from Central America as well.

    It's just pure fratricide at the end of the day, at the level of identity politics, if that makes any sense. There's no other way to describe it.
  • Tao follows Nature
    I will listen to more of the Symphony later. — Amity

    The following song would be something like John's political Manifesto, I would say. And I happen to agree with him, if he intended it as such. Otherwise, if I have the right to interpret it as such (as a political Manifesto, no matter if John intended it otherwise), then I would say that I mostly disagree with all of the points being made.

  • What does Quine mean by Inscrutability of Reference
    Which philosopher thinks that affirming language games means that nothing existed before humans? — frank

    A crazy one. A deluded one. An uneducated one.
  • Is the number 1 a cause of the number 2?
    ↪Harry Hindu
    Sir, I will politely point out that you have not answered my Question, which is the Question of the OP: Is the number 1 a cause of the number 2? Yes, or no? If so, then we would have to say (how couldn't we?) that the number 2 is the effect of the number 1.

    Suppose, if only for the sake of argument, that such is indeed the case. What would that tell us, about the numbers themselves? Is the number 2 the cause of the number 3, for example? What is the cause of the negative number -5? What is the cause of the imaginary unit "i", which (allegedly) successfully refers to an "imaginary number"? What is the difference between a Real Number and an imaginary number? Are imaginary numbers unreal? What would that even mean? It's a mistake to confuse ontology with mathematics. When mathematicians speak of the set of the Real numbers, as something different from Imaginary numbers (like 1i, or 3i, or 5i), they're not conceptualizing them as "stones and trees -versus- mythological creatures". It has nothing to do with that. So why would you even say that the number 1 is the cause of the number 2? Why would you even speak about the mathematical relation between the number 1 and the number 2 as if it were a metaphysical or ontological relation? Because that is what the cause-effect relation is, at the end of the day: it's a metaphysical or ontological relation. Now, if you want to call that into question, in the manner of a British Empiricist like David Hume, be my guest. But I have just as much right to conceptualize it as an ontological relation instead, which is precisely what Mario Bunge does, and I agree with him on that point.
  • Tao follows Nature
    [Pre-Chorus]
    With the stars in the sky our guide
    Voyage ever onwards
    Set a course to the other side
    Of the endless oceans blue     — Alestorm

  • What are the top 5 heavy metal albums of all time?
    And now we're going to listen to Alestorm's masterpiece, their song Treasure Island. I'll even post the lyrics, because it's their Masterpiece. It's like Pink Floyd's "The Wall". Alestorm has created a Conceptual Masterpiece, and this following song is like their Sacred Hymn, it's like Hesiod's Theogony in that sense. You have to listen to this one from an Anthropological point of view, objectively, because Anthropology is a science. So, let's listen to their Masterpiece from a scientific point of view:



    [Verse 1]
    How did we come to this place and time?
    Our lives now ruled by a mariner's rime
    We sold our souls to tell this tale
    This quest for treasure we regale

    [Pre-Chorus]
    With the stars in the sky our guide
    Voyage ever onwards
    Set a course to the other side
    Of the endless oceans blue

    [Chorus]
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    I can't believe we're on our way
    We're going there today
    Yarr ahoy

    [Post-Chorus]
    The mate was fixed by the Bosun's pike
    The Bosun brained with a marlinspike
    And cookey's throat was marked belike
    It had been gripped by fingers ten
    And there they lay all good dead men
    Like break o'day in a boozing ken

    [Verse 2]
    High was the price that was paid this day
    We spun the wheel 'til the coppers ran dry
    Nevada sun was burning bare
    The stench of everclear filled the air

    [Pre-Chorus]
    With the stars in the sky our guide
    Voyage ever onwards
    Set a course to the other side
    Of the endless oceans blue

    [Chorus]
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    I can't believe we're on our way
    We're going there today

    [Solo]

    [Bridge 1]
    Fifteen men on the dead man's chest
    Drink and the devil had done for the rest
    But one man of her crew alive
    What put to sea was seventy-five

    [Solo]

    [Bridge 2]
    On the endless quest
    So far into the west
    Where history and destiny collide
    Our luck will last forever and
    The truth will never die
    Prepare to roll the dice just one more time

    On the endless quest
    So far into the west
    Where history and destiny collide
    Your luck will last forever and
    The truth will never die
    The fates shall be eternal on your side
    Prepare to roll the dice just one more time

    [Pre-Chorus]
    With the stars in the sky our guide
    Voyage ever onwards
    Set a course to the other side
    Of the endless oceans blue

    [Outro]
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    I can't believe we're on our way
    Our destiny lies in the waves
    We're going there today
    Yarr ahoy     — Alestorm
  • Tao follows Nature
    Nevermind me, I'm just playing the role of the DJ / Bouncer of this Thread, right now. It's all ambience from me at the moment.



    [Verse 1]
    How did we come to this place and time?
    Our lives now ruled by a mariner's rime
    We sold our souls to tell this tale
    This quest for treasure we regale

    [Pre-Chorus]
    With the stars in the sky our guide
    Voyage ever onwards
    Set a course to the other side
    Of the endless oceans blue

    [Chorus]
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    I can't believe we're on our way
    We're going there today
    Yarr ahoy

    [Post-Chorus]
    The mate was fixed by the Bosun's pike
    The Bosun brained with a marlinspike
    And cookey's throat was marked belike
    It had been gripped by fingers ten
    And there they lay all good dead men
    Like break o'day in a boozing ken

    [Verse 2]
    High was the price that was paid this day
    We spun the wheel 'til the coppers ran dry
    Nevada sun was burning bare
    The stench of everclear filled the air

    [Pre-Chorus]
    With the stars in the sky our guide
    Voyage ever onwards
    Set a course to the other side
    Of the endless oceans blue

    [Chorus]
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    I can't believe we're on our way
    We're going there today

    [Solo]

    [Bridge 1]
    Fifteen men on the dead man's chest
    Drink and the devil had done for the rest
    But one man of her crew alive
    What put to sea was seventy-five

    [Solo]

    [Bridge 2]
    On the endless quest
    So far into the west
    Where history and destiny collide
    Our luck will last forever and
    The truth will never die
    Prepare to roll the dice just one more time

    On the endless quest
    So far into the west
    Where history and destiny collide
    Your luck will last forever and
    The truth will never die
    The fates shall be eternal on your side
    Prepare to roll the dice just one more time

    [Pre-Chorus]
    With the stars in the sky our guide
    Voyage ever onwards
    Set a course to the other side
    Of the endless oceans blue

    [Outro]
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    Treasure Island
    Oh, the legends told of a land of rum and plunder
    Treasure Island
    On a quest for gold we'll sail the seven seas
    I can't believe we're on our way
    Our destiny lies in the waves
    We're going there today
    Yarr ahoy     — Alestorm
  • What are the top 5 heavy metal albums of all time?
    ↪Moliere
    Check out this other song by Alestorm, this one is (to my mind) a serious song, unlike the ribald shanties that they usually sing. It's a philosophical song, that's why it's conceptually awesome, it's like Pink Floyd in that sense:



    EDIT: Note to self, Alestorm are the Scottish Pink Floyd.

    EDIT 2: Another note to self: Swashbuckle are the New Jersey version of Metallica.

    EDIT 3: I intended the aformentioned Edits in an Anthropological sense. If someone feels offended by them, great.
  • What are the top 5 heavy metal albums of all time?
    Amazing. I didn't, but now have. — Moliere

    The actual story behind the song is even crazier:

    (...) Four deputies, two sergeants and one detective from the Adams County Sheriff's Office are accusing the rapper of profiting from the unauthorized use of their likenesses, at their personal and professional expense.

    In a complaint filed in an Ohio pleas court last week, they say it's been more difficult and dangerous to carry out their duties "because of comments made and attitudes expressed toward them by members of the public" who have seen the videos.

    They say they have received death threats, and also suffered "humiliation, ridicule, mental distress, embarrassment and loss of reputation." (...)     — National Public Radio

    I think it speaks a fantasy that never was — Moliere

    I totally get it, believe me. But let's be real here, "A Country Boy Can Survive" is a dumb song. Maybe it was cool in like, I don't know the late 80's or early 90's. Today it just sounds corny. The Y2K version is better in that sense, independently of what side we take in the "Hank Williams Jr. VS Chad Brock" sort of debate:


    I enjoyed the song. I enjoy them creating this idea of pirate music that's metal :D — Moliere

    Dude, it's the only video (so far) that can't actually be played in The Philosophy Forum, you can only watch it on Youtube, and it's age-restricted. Like, you can probably embed actual fascist music in this Forum, but you can't embed Alestorm's song "Fucked With an Anchor". That's why they deserved the Gold Medal in Heavy Metal today, IMHO. They're so fucking over-the-top, it's insane. The whole "True Scottish Pirate Metal" thing is a sort of a half-joke directed at "True Norwegian Black Metal" bands. In other words, it's directed at "fucking wankers", in the wise words of the cultured folks from Scotland. In that sense, check out this killer song:



    I relate TOOL to jazz a lot because the band mimics a lot of what jazz has already done with respect to rhythm -- they change rhythms throughout as jazz does as a way of making the music and expressing it. — Moliere

    Sure, I listen to Tool myself. It's a mediocre band, that's all I'm saying.

    I think I just like any music which plays with rhythm. (I started your video but they were talking about a lot more than Toxic-Healthy / Virgin-Chad chart. -- on its face I could see TOOL as Toxic Virgin, but I don't know why that's bad.) — Moliere

    The dude in the video pulls up the chart in like, during the middle part of the video or something, and he uses Tool as an example of a Toxic Virgin. Not so much Tool themselves, but rather their fans. Tool fans are toxic virgins. He also says that Mötley Crüe and NOFX are toxic chads. "Boyfriend Country" would be Healthy Chads (think of the band Home Free, for example), Hatebreed would also be Healthy Chad, and in the Healthy Virgin quadrant he includes Paramore.

    Anyways, yeah, Alestorm is fucking killing it. They're second to none (sorry Swashbuckle, it is what it is).
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