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  • Should philosophy consider emotions and feelings?

    Yes, that is actually the core question, I think. My perception is that philosophy today is going to be stuck either in being a copycat of science, or endlessly and unfruitfully discussions in deciding if reality exists or not, or other reflections that look to me like just trying how some ideas interact together, with the same criterion we use to test computers and software. So, I thought something common to these sterile activities is that they ignore the emotional, spiritual side of us as humans.
    I think that, as a consequence, the work of philosophy should be a kind of research that tries to connect reasoning and emotions, rather than dealing with them as with alternative worlds. For example: we can discuss technically about the problem if reality exists: this is one side, the rational side. Or we can discuss how the existence or non existence of reality involves our emotions: this is the emotional side. So far, they have been treated still as divorced fields. The connection happens if we ask: can we make a decision, if reality exists or not, based on our emotions? Does it make any sense to decide that we will consider reality existent or non existent depending on our mood? Does it make sense to consider the world of our emotions and feelings as the real world and, as a consequence, the rational reflections about it just as a derivative part? Does it make sense to philosophize with the conscious intention of experiencing some emotional feelings, produced by our artistic playing with ideas, rather than considering ideas as a way to reach truth and reality? Does it make sense to consider philosophy like a kind of “playing ideas”, the same way one can play a piano, or a guitar?
  • Is there a progress in philosophy?

    Of course they are subjective: are you able to think of them without automatically conditioning them with your brain? In other words: are you able to think of them without using your brain, that is, to think of them without thinking?
  • Is there a progress in philosophy?
    Isn't this a loud contradiction?Alkis Piskas

    The contradiction is not in me, it is in the idea of truth. My reasoning starts from adopting the idea that truth exists and then I show that this adoption leads us to doubt, skepticism and agnosticism about truth. In other words, the reasoning that I show is: if truth exists, then the consequence of this is that it doesn't exist.
  • Is there a progress in philosophy?
    Doubts should always exist, but they should serve as a path in establishing truths and knowledge. Isn't this the purpose of philosophy and the philosophers?Alkis Piskas

    I don’t think so. Establishing that the purpose of philosophy is establishing truths and knowledge means that these reference points will be treated as beyond dispute. But the history of philosophy gives evidence that the very existence of truth has been questioned since the beginning: think, for example, about the sophists, who tried to show how tricky our language and our thinking is; think about Heraclitus: if everything is becoming, then an established truth cannot exist, it will be becoming as well; think of Nietsche, who said that we don’t know where to go, there is no up, no down, no orientation. You might object that all these positions can be considered as efforts to establish truth: the truth that truth is becoming, or even the truth that truth does not exist. But this objection works like a closed system: closed systems works always, independently from their content. For example, it is impossible to question that everything is number, because such a system will be always able to answer that any objection can be traced back to a structure of numbers. This way, even saying that the essence of reality is, let’s say, tomatoes, or horses, is able to be an invulnerable system. For this reason, any invulnerable system is meaningless, because it is able to maintain anything and the opposite of anything. This means that the idea of truth itself is meaningless.

    If he were always and constantly in doubt about everything, he would be a mentally ill personAlkis Piskas

    I don’t think so. I have adopted the perspective of doubting about everything for dozens of years now and I don’t think I am mentally ill: currently I work at a hospital and I don’t think they would allow a mentally ill person to work in my position.
    if I live in a constant doubt, it means that I would also doubt that I doubt. Which leads to vicious circleAlkis Piskas

    Doubting of doubting is not a vicious, but a virtuous circle: it is a circle that reinforces itself, similar to certain phisical phenomenons, like the audio feedback effect in microphones. Doubting of doubting just confirms that I cannot trust anything, I cannot even trust my doubting. Not trusting my doubting means just that I cannot rest firmly and comfortably in a simple methodology of doubting: I need to always question my questioning as well. Where is the problem in this?

    And then of course to an asylumAlkis Piskas

    I agree that we need some kind of asylum, but not because of any philosophical principle. We need some kind of asylum because we are humans, we are not machines, we get tired, our emotions need to find some kind of rest on something. But, since this is not a philosophical, but a human need, the solution is not any philosophical thought, but some practical instruments, like periodically going to bed, having experiences of love and friendship, having a home, or a tent, having periods of rest.

    A persons's reality may include doubts but it cannot be built on doubting evertyting. It is mainly build on knowledge and certitudesAlkis Piskas
    I think here again you confuse philosophical with human needs. If I go shopping, I cannot answer the teller “You don’t know if the things in my bag exists, you don’t know if my money exists”. I just need to pay. But this is a human and practical need, not a philosophical one. Practically I need just to pay and not to create problems to the teller, but all the doubts I expressed are true (I know I used the word “true” now, but this is needed by language, not by philosophy).
    There is a solution that is better than certitudes and knowledge, that actually are very misleading concepts. The solution is trust. Although everything is exposed to doubt, my being human forces me to trust a lot of things and people. So, I pay my money to the teller not because I have any certainty that my money or the teller exist, but because my human condition forces me to trust some practical assumptions and treat them as if they were something “true”. I don’t “know” if fire would burn my hand, but my human condition forces me to treat it as if it was something true.

    This is (pace those people here who want me to be severe, exact and giving strict evidence of my statements :grin: ) Heidegger: being does not exist; being is our human condition of being immersed in time, in our needs, in our mental limits.
  • Is there a progress in philosophy?
    I think that one of the hardest difficulties that both philosophy and science have met in their history is when they said “Of course!” about anything. “Of course!” means “There's no need to inquire!”. This kills research, progress, dialectic, debate. So, I would say that, with your message, you have given your contribution to prevent both philosophy and science from progressing.
    Please, don’t take this personally: I have just used a method that is extremely frequently used in philosophy, that is, applying statements to themselves and seeing what happens. Frequently the result is a paradox, like “I am lying”, or it can be an instrument for progress like Descartes doubting about his doubts and taking the result as a positive resource.
  • Issues with karma
    I think the OP has nothing to do with any religious or spiritual doctrine about karma; I think it is rather a very philosophical question, but it creates some confusion because of the use of the word “karma”, that immediately sends us to religions and spiritualities.
    I would express the OT this way: if the nature of this world is able to completely annihilate any human effort to do something good, to improve, to be more generous, altruist, what’s the point of making any effort in trying to be better? I mean annihilate at all levels, including the very person who is trying to be better. In other words, we have absolutely no evidence that anything good causes anything else good.
    My answer is that the motivation to be or to do anything good cannot rely on anything objective. It can only be a choice, based on the whole of ourselves, our humanity, our emotions, our sensitivity, without excluding some reasoning.
  • Which came first; original instruction, or emergent self determination?
    we know how to use it and can predict what other utilities it can be practical forBenj96
    Whatever happens in pragmatism is always interpreted by us. When you see that a watch works, you can predict its behaviour and you can build more watches, all these things are under your interpretation, so that ultimately you cannot say what is really happening when you see that the watch works, that what you predict happens, that you can build more watches. In one word: we cannot know anything ultimately for sure. Working things are not evidence that we are in contact with reality, because the fact that they work is an intepretation of ours as well.

    What would be the point in any pursuit of knowledge, insight and wisdom because it can never be objective trueBenj96
    Philosophy is not technology: it doesn’t matter if its results are weird, not practical, not comfortable, or useless. Philosophy is exploration of the most ultimate things that we are able to think of.
    After doing philosophy, we can work on the utility of its results, how they can be used, we can do whatever we want with the results. But this is a next step. The first step must be free from any pre-decision, otherwise your exploration is already limited in advance to what you decided is acceptable, or useful, or whatever. What’s the point of doing philosophy after having established in advance any conditions? If there are conditions, then it is not philosophy. We can discuss these conditions and it is already philosophy, because it is already an effort to explore the most ultimate things that we are able to think about.
  • Can we turn Heidegger’s criticism of objectivity into a strong basis for subjectivity?

    Yes, I think that not reading my posts is an option that deserves high respect.
  • Can we turn Heidegger’s criticism of objectivity into a strong basis for subjectivity?

    Yes, I was a bit surprised by this question: didn’t the very term “metaphysics” come from the name they gave to some Aristotle’s books sorted after the “physics” ones, and then metaphysics became based on what Aristotle wrote on those books? I know that now “metaphysics” means a lot of things, even contradictory things, but, again, if we turn this thread into a debate on what metaphysics is, we just leave my main point. I have no interest here in discussing deeply what metaphysics is today: let’s do this way: everybody in this discussion gives to every word whatever meaning they consider the most appropriate, while understanding that other people can have a different approach. Otherwise we will just pass the time in the definition of each word, that actually seems very similar to those who see the trees, but can’t see the forest.
  • Can we turn Heidegger’s criticism of objectivity into a strong basis for subjectivity?
    A lot of topics would distract from my main point. Let's say that I am interpreting Heidegger my way, or I am drawing some consequences from his philosophy, or whatever. I just need Heidegger as a starting point because he made impossible carrying on while considering being as an abstract, perfect and independent philosophical concept. In other words, after Heidegger, certain metaphysical philosophers like Parmenides and Aristotle cannot be agreed anymore as if nothing happened after them. What is important is that Heidegger proceeded in a very systematic, methodologic, severe way, so that it is ontology itself that forces ontology to be connected with time and human condition. This means that human condition and time, that are unreliable and subjective experiences, actually are also unavoidable and necessary, because of the demolition of objective ontology made by Heidegger.
  • Which came first; original instruction, or emergent self determination?
    Heidegger was later continued by Gadamer. Everything is interpretation and we cannot do but interpret.
  • Which came first; original instruction, or emergent self determination?
    You may use whatever synonym or appropriate replacement for “set-up” as you please. “Established”, “came to fruition”, “exists”, “acts in a certain predictable manner” etc etc. But as you’ll see from the thread the discussion is about whether the properties of the universe are predetermined from the beginning or if they emerged randomly and symbiotically like an evolution. “Set-up” I’m pretty sure falls somewhere in that spectrum.Benj96
    This doesn't change the validity of my criticism. What you said is "I am not talking about my interpretation of the universe, but about the universe itself and how it works itself". But this way you don't realize that, even when you refer to the universe itself, or to its rules themselves, you are still talking about your interpretation of these things. In other words, it is impossible to refer to anything objectively, to anything itself, because when we say "anything itself" we are already applying our interpretation of what we are referring to. In other words, it is impossible to refer to being itself, because whenever we say it we are already interpreting it. This is just Heidegger.
  • Which came first; original instruction, or emergent self determination?
    I think you are mistaking the map for the territory.
    The universe is not “set up” in any way. It is us who interpret the universe as universe and building mental frames, schemes, ideas, concepts, to try to understand it.
    It is even bizarre that, after we devise a mental scheme to understand what we call “the universe”, then we forget what we have done and we pretend that the universe is “set up” or obeys according to the schemes we built.
  • What Makes Someone Become the Unique Person Who They Are ?
    Let’s consider some things.
    Let’s imagine that you were the only person with blonde hair in the world and in history. Would this make you “the unique person who you are”? I am sure it wouldn’t. All other aspects of you, including your personality, whatever is part of your psychology, work like your being blonde: they are just accessory aspects attached to you. I think the essence of this is that all we are talking about are objective things. Whenever we talk of something, it becomes automatically an object; even when we say “subjectivity”, what we are talking about is subjectivity treated as an object, so, actually we are not really talking about subjectivity.
    I think the true, real subjectivity is the experience you make when you realize that you are the only person in the world able to perceive your will, your choices, your decisions, like “Now I decide to move my arm; now I decide to think this number”. Perhaps in the future it will be possible to remotely command your arms and even your thoughts. But, even if this was possible in the future, who was the author of those thoughts? Let’s imagine a technology making me able to force your brain to think number “5”, so that you realized that your brain really thought the number I decided it to think of. Even if I was able to make you wanting to think number “5”, in that case you were forced to want something, but the ultimate source of this will was still me.
    So, I would say that the real experience of uniqueness of you is when you feel, you experiment a will coming from you. Even if that will was caused by something different from your will, nonetheless what you perceive is your will, it doesn’t matter if it is the real origin of your thoughts or if it was forced by something else.
    This means that you are the only person in the world able to perceive yourself willing something. This cannot be transferred, nor cloned, nor anything, by any technology or disease, or malfunction of the brain. I mean, even if you are wrong in thinking that it is really your will, actually you are right, because it is your will manoeuvered by something else. If you perceive your will, then your will is there. This is different from Descartes’ “I think, therefore I am”, because the experience I am talking about is entirely subjective, exclusive to you, you cannot express it to other people, so, it isn’t at all a certainty, which instead Descartes thought it was about his thinking.
    We can make a computer able to think that it was able to want something, but we have absolutely no idea how this can be evaluated, compared to our DNA making us feeling our ability to want something.
    What I am saying is that this way I have not at all proved your uniqueness, nor the existence of your will. You are the only person in the world able to decide if your perception of your will makes you unique.
    I said that saying “subjectivity” is still an objectivation of the concept of subjectivity. The same way, all the things I said now are an objectivation as well. I just tried to express my subjective experience, trying to see if you feel something similar. Whatever you answer, I won’t ever be able to have evidence of your experience.
    So, our uniqueness is confined inside our subjectivty and we can talk about it only subjectively, that is without any possibility of getting any evidence. This is, I think, the only way to make an idea, but it is better to say “an attempt to share an experience”, of our uniqueness. It is like a message in a bottle, that I try to send from the island of my subjectivity. It is just a hope, an attempt. All the rest is condemned to be objective and, as such, not unique.
  • Roots of religion

    You have just built a self interpreting system. As such, it cannot fail, because it is closed. It is a frequent mistake in philosophy. This way you can explain everything with everything: it will just work, always. You can say that the roots of religions are, let’s say, dogs, or tomatoes, or maths. Once the starting idea is made, it will be a matter of moments to build a whole working system.
  • The pernicious idea of an eternal soul
    Aren't wishful thinking, Plato and Christianity products of the non-dumb universe as well?
  • The pernicious idea of an eternal soul
    If we are a product of the universe, and the universe is not dumb, where does the error of believing in an eternal soul come from?
  • Could the experience of God be a state of mind?

    I agree. When I talk about harsh criticism, I don’t mean interpreting art and heart by science. I mean a kind of serious criticism that can come from philosophy, literary critique, art critique, theology.
    For example, I think that, if we say "idealism” or “romanticism”, we are talking about cultural currents that have been studied deeply and also with a lot of debates and criticism about their literature, art, paintings, so that I feel that when I hear “romanticism” we are talking about something really serious and culturally substantial. But what about “oneness”, or “awareness”, “selflessness”? They seem to me things that I would compare to the cultural currents I quoted like pseudoscience is compared to science.
    I mean, are there artists, literary critique experts, who have somewhat explored extensively these latter concepts? I would say that, at least, they are very young concepts.
  • Could the experience of God be a state of mind?
    There is an essential, potential or actual, mistake, that I have seen made in several stories, videos, accounts, books talking about these things. It is the mistake of treating these experiences as if they were something defined and clear, while instead they have nothing defined, nothing clear.
    So, for example, I see that even Freud referred to some sort of “oceanic feeling”, but does this mean that now it is a well defined category, like, for example, “joy”, “conflict”, “trauma”, “beauty”? I think it is obvious that the more we ignore the unclear condition of these concepts, the less serious what we say becomes. It becomes easily exposed to a lot of criticism.
    This does not mean that talking of these feelings and using this language should be avoided. Rather, we should connect them to other concepts that have a more solid ground, a better explored context.
    So, I would encourage research and exchange of experiences about these things, but serious research means intentionally challenging them with a lot of hard, or even harsh, criticism and self-criticism, otherwise it is like a treasure that we reduce to vague romantic words full of charm, but empty of any useful and serious substance.
  • Some Thoughts on Life and Death

    I think you have just described, with non technical words, what Heidegger described with more technical ones, by saying that death is the possibility of impossibilty.
  • Do these common criticisms of an eternal afterlife have merit?
    The problem with your reasoning is that you are using the same method used to solve the problem of theodicy. A common answer to the problem of theodicy is that a lot of things are beyond our understanding and we can trust God’s goodness all the same. Now you are using the same structure: if something works, then you accept to welcome it into the realm of things that we can understand. If something doesn’t work, then you solve it by referring to God being able to do things beyond our understanding. This method is equivalent to say that God must always come out right by definition. If anything doesn’t work, the problem, by definition, must be found in anything, but not God. God must be always untouchable. A lot of believers, unfortunately, make use of this logic as well: if something is wrong, somebody is to be blamed; God must never be blamed, by definition; as a consequence, the only remaining subject that can be blamed is humans. So, when things go well, it is God’s merit; when things go bad, it is humans’ fault.
    The problem with this is that reasoning has absolutely no value, no importance in all of this. This contradicts the very activity of

    - doing theology: if reasoning has absolutely no value, what’s the point of working on doing theology?

    - and human intelligence: isn’t reasoning a God’s gift? So, what’s the point of treating it as having absolutely no value? Even if we consider that God’s plan was to give us a limited intelligence, then the question is: why? Why did God decide to give us such a limited intelligence? Why didn’t he make us Gods as well, equal to him?

    In short, the ultimate flaw in the problem of theodicy, as well as in the reasoning you described, is that it doesn’t take seriously human intelligence. Why should we believe in a God who doesn’t take seriously our intelligence, either by escaping into his unreachable superiority or by creating us with such a limited intelligence, if compared to his supposed one?
  • A Materialist Proof of Free Will Based on Fundamental Physics of the Brain
    You assumed the concept of something, that is free will, for which we have absolutely no evidence, and then you tried to find it in structures and functions of the brain.
    This way, if we instruct a computer so that it is able to say “I am a person”, it won’t be difficult to find reasons for the computer being a person in its structures and functions.
    It becomes easy even to find the structures and functions that can explain the existence of Santa Claus: quantum physics, with all their magics, have become now the magic hat that makes possible to find the physical reason for the existence of whatever we like to believe or to dream of. It is so sweetly romantic: we exist! Thank you, quantum physics!
  • WTF: translators not translating everything
    I am afraid the topic will become too wide now, but maybe it is worth it. Just some notes.

    I have studied the Bible in the past and now I know that not a single word is translated properly in any translation of any language. It is not translators’ fault, of course. So, when I want to read the Bible, if I have patience and time, I go directly to the text in the original language, although I frequently need to check dictionaries. When I am lazy I go to a translation, or I don’t read at all. :grin:

    But, at least, this gives me a strong awareness: I can never be sure that I really understood the text. Even scholars struggle frequently in discussing the concept behind a word.

    In this context, we can realize that plain translations, although they give an impression of being easy and clear, exactly for this reason they are very dangerous: they can give you the illusion, they can make you persuaded that you understood and that the topic and the discussion is simple and clear. Actually, the humblest people are exactly those who are more competent about that text: because of their competence they are extremely humble and cautious about how to understand a text. So, what happens in practice is something bizarre: normally ignorant, uneducated people are those who think they have clear, simple and strong ideas, while scholars, professionals, researchers, are inifinetely modest, humble, unsure, because they know how many questions and uncertainties are behind each word.

    This opens another dramatic problem: are non-professional people condemned to be excluded from understanding anything? I would answer dramatically: “Unfortunately, yes”. This means that if somebody decided to dedicate their entire life to music, for example, they cannot expect to decently understand, for example, Van Gogh, or theology, or philosophy, and viceversa. The only thing we can do in this case is to enjoy the wisdom of being humble.

    So, I think that by struggling with the problem you said, you are actually gaining something invaluable: the awareness of how complex the book “Being and Time” is. This is much better than those who have harsh debates in forums simply because each of them thinks they have got the right and correct idea.

    We need some compromise, of course, some understanding is possible, we aren’t entirely in the dark, nor we like it, nor it is correct to encourage it. So, I am not saying that you are entirely wrong. I am sure that that translation could be made in a much better way, with better notes, to help readers. So, fundamentally I agree with you, because I have experienced the same frustration. Let’s just take also the positive aspects of it.
  • WTF: translators not translating everything
    It is not bullshit at all; quite the opposite, it is intention to be serious, academic, scientific. If you ever tried to seriously translate something, you’d quickly realize how difficult finding matching words between different languages is. We can even say that the very activity of translating in an illusion, or a rough attempt to say something similar in a different language. Philosophical books are frequently full of words left in their original language and it is rather normal reading them with dictionaries near you. This is because it is extremely easy to misunderstand philosophical concepts, even more if they come from ancient texts. Today this job is made much easier because we have the internet, Wikipedia and a lot of other resources. Think about the old times, when philosophers didn’t have these fast instruments, so that they needed to spend much more time whenever they found an unclear or untranslated word: philosophy itself was forced to be a much slower work, and I think that this was not completely a negative aspect: this way philosophy was forced to be something much closer to what it was in its origins: meditation, contemplation, a spiritual exercise. Today we pretend to make philosophy with the technological mentality of being fast, quick, efficient, productive, clever, all things that make me think of just one thing: America, at least as it was or is traditionally in some clichés. The results are under our nose: today philosophers are very oriented towards science, pretending to quickly grasp, to conquer, to dominate with a scientific mentality the most difficult and deep concepts.
    I agree that slowness can be frustrating, but don't forget its importance and necessity to make philosophy possible and authentic.
  • Is there an external material world ?
    I think it's the concepts being unclear which makes them more universal than other concepts and as such more useful for understanding the universal, which, at least according to you, is the object of study of philosophyHello Human

    As I said, philosophy wants to go to the roots, to the universal, but in this research philosophy cannot avoid to see that actually it is limited, because it is made by humans. This means that the very concept of universal is stupid: how can we, little microscopic, biased creatures of this universe pretend to get in our mind such a pretentious concept as “universal”? Whenever we think of the concept of universal, we are conditioned by our DNA, time, body, culture, epoch, geography, so, how can we think that what we are thinking is really universal? We humans are ridiculous in this pretence.
  • Is there an external material world ?
    I agree that those concepts are quite unclear, but I do not understand what do you mean by them being rough, local and limitedHello Human

    Consider them as synonyms of unclear.
  • Political fatalism/determinism

    Your questions and the fact that this a philosophy forum made me think that you were talking about freewill. But now I can't understand what kind of answer you expect: a sociological answer? A historical one? Maybe psychological? I don't think that any of these three disciplines are able to give you an answer. So, what kind of discussion would you like to open?
  • Political fatalism/determinism

    You seem contradictory: you said that "freedom clearly exists", but you also wrote "Is our liberty the product or effect of causes we don’t control?" and a lot of other questions that essentially ask if freedom exists.
  • Political fatalism/determinism
    From an objective point of view, freedom is impossible to prove. From a subjective perspective we have, as humans, a perception, a feeling like if we have freedom. Both perspectives are exposed to criticism. So, I think the best question is not asking if we are free, but how deal with this condition of not knowing. I think the best way is to act as if freedom exists. Moreover, you can notice that, even assuming that freedom does not exist, this assumption does not have as a result anarchy or random behaviour: we can say that the mechanisms that manage our behaviour push us, drive us to behave as if we were free even after assuming that we are not.
    Think about this: assume that you are just a machine. Assume that, as a consequence, you will decide to behave in a selfish way. This means that deciding to be selfish was not a free choice. If freedom does not exist, even the assumption that it does not exist should be considered a product of our being machines. This means that we have no way to know if freedom exists, because, if it doesn't exist we have no way to be aware of its non existence. Consciousness implies freedom and we don't know if either of the two exists. So, let's behave as if we were free, remembering that it is just an instrumental assumption.
  • Given a chance, should you choose to let mankind perish?

    If humans are so bad, why should this post of you be considered different?
  • On “Folk” vs Theological Religious Views
    All religions have a history, how they were born, what happened in different periods, what is happening to them now. In all periods of all histories of all religions there have always been, and still there are, differentiations between groups, intellectuals, representatives of institutions, high level scholars and mass people. Even already inside the Bible, even in the Old Testament, you can see that there were debates, disagreements and plurality of mentalities and beliefs between different groups of people.

    We know that, to a wide extent, the history we know about everything is the history from the point of view of the winners, maybe sometimes the intellectual winners, for a simple reason: because it is much more difficult to find vestiges left by mass people. So, for example, the Bible we have now is the product of those who left something written, which means the intellectuals, or institutional people, or prophets. Even the informations we can get about the other people are given in the Bible from the perspective, from the filter of those who wrote the Bible, that is, not the mass people.

    We should also consider that there is some tendency in the mass people to reinterpret the received religion in ways that adapt to their mentality, while instead intellectuals do some effort to reconnect to the most authentic and genuine contents of their religion, although, we know, intellectuals as well are subject to their own distortions, mentalities, perspectives.

    So, we should consider that today the religion we can find in theologians has the characteristic of containing an effort to reconnect to the genuine message of the Bible and also to consider what happened along the entire history of their religion. In a synthesis, we can say that theologian’s religion is a kind of religion that contains a strong effort to be connected with its history, although it is anyway an interpreted history.

    Since theologians are those who discuss, debate and, especially, write, the kind of religion that is going to be transmitted to next generations is that of theologians. Even if masses of people are much more numerous, their approach to their religion is destined to disappear, time by time, as has already happened about the biblical periods, as I already said, although apparently the mass approach seems the most popular.
  • What is essential to being a human being?

    It was not my intention to be rude: I just did some criticism, by applying some reflection. If criticism, disagreement, looking from another perspective, becomes lack of respect, what else can we do here?

    I think I see your point: if a certain number of cells with a human DNA are organized in a certain way to give as a result a whole, complete, living body, then that being can be definitely considered a human being.
    Well, let’s think of a terminal person: that person is unable to give signs of conscience, electronic devices are unable to tell us if that person has still any sensitivity. Hopes of survival are maximum a couple of hours. The body of that person is terribly suffering for a consuming cancer. Shall we kill that person to stop that suffering or not?
    I created this hypothesis to support what I said: I am sure that, for any static, definitive, conclusive answer, it is possible to find at least one hypothetical case that puts that answers in a crisis, in a difficulty, showing that that answer is not definitive at all.
  • What is essential to being a human being?

    A human cell has human DNA, it is human, but it is not a human being.
  • What is essential to being a human being?
    I think there is a trap when we try to answer this question. Actually it is the same trap that makes a lot of philosophical question endless, without any progress, or even oppressive.
    The trap consists of looking for a conclusive answer, something stable, reasoning with a mentality oriented towards static concepts. Since we are immersed in history, which means a lot of epochs and a lot of places, any answer is easily exposed to be demolished, criticized or, as I said, it becomes just a sterile endless discussion.
    We know that, over time and according to different places of our planet, a lot of different ideas, even opposite, conflicting and oppressive ideas have been kept as stable about what means to be human, or a person, but the question can be extended to everything: what is truth, what is freedom, and so on.
    So, I think the best answer to your question is a methodology of work, with some criteria like the following ones:
    1) as I said, try not to fall into traps of static thinking
    2) which means: let’s work on provisional answers, and then work again, and then again and again;
    3) in this work let’s use the best resources we have: dialogue, space for opposite perspectives, welcoming criticism, research, space for science and for criticism of science;
    4) let's make decisions, but they must be always considered provisional, temporary decisions.

    So, today I would say: what is essential to being human being is to be perceived as human by other humans. It seems circular, but I think it is not: I think that, as a starting point, everybody assumes they are humans, so, let’s consider humans those you think are humans, by using your sensitivity, history, culture, science.

    Your question involves the huge debates about abortion: by considering this you can realize, again, how sterile it is to look for definite conclusions.

    My answer is aimed at opening discussion by helping towards perspectives, not to be a conclusion.

    I would add that we need to make a good use of subjectivity and objectivity in order to work well on it.
  • Is there an external material world ?

    I don’t think that my idea falls into the problem of applying it to itself, because I didn’t suggest any alternative system. What I suggested is abandoning philosophy and making art by using the remnants of the abandoned philosophy. How can art be suspected of proposing another metaphysical system?
  • Is there an external material world ?
    Perhaps that's what you mean by 'playing ideas'?Cuthbert
    I think so. Playing ideas means trying to work with them without pretence of reaching anything fundamental, the same way musicians play their instruments without pretending that what they are producing is “the music”, or “the essence of music”. They know that what they are doing is just an exploration of music from the limited perspective of that instrument, that culture, that personality. I think philosophy should me meant the same way.
  • Is there an external material world ?
    I think there is a basic mistake when philosophy argues about this.
    We get our concepts of "external", "material", "I", etc. from a kind of instinctive, primitive, not reflective experience: think of the primitive humans, or of a child, to get my idea.
    Then we became philosophers and now we pretend to get ultimate ideas about the whole. Non ultimate ideas are managed by science, art, spontaneity. But this is not enough for philosophy: philosophy wants to get the roots, the total, the ultimate, the general, the universal. The problem is that philosophy gets the ultimate by using the primitive instruments I said before. In other words, it is like wanting to describe the ultimate nature of the world by having at our disposal just some specific concepts, let’s say, for example, “banana”, “guitar”, “chair”, “shouting”. The result is that we would define the universe by saying, for example, that it must be necessarily “a shouting banana on a chair”, or a “guitar shouting to a banana”. Why are these example ridiculous? It is because they try to define something extremely wide, great, extended, general, which is the universe, by extremely specific words like the ones I used. We don’t realize how ridiculous is to talk about “material”, “external”, “exists”, and so on, because we think that those concepts are wide, great, general, so that they are appropriate to talk about the universe. Once we realize that those great concepts are actually extremely rough, unclear, local, limited, then we can understand how ridiculous is to talk about “external material world”.
    I want to clarify that I am not referring to Hello Human specifically: as I said at the beginning, it is not a mistake made by Hello Human, it is a mistake that I see in philosophy in general, most philosophy, most great and famous philosophers.
    As a consequence, I think that trying to understand the “being” in terms of “external material wold”, or “I think, therefore I am”, or “idealism”, is just nonsense, not less than the ridiculous definitions I said before.
    Kant tried to be more universal by recognizing that, when we talk about such big things, like “space”, “time” and so on, we are actually moving inside the cage of our mental categories.
    After Kant we can realize that even the idea of “categories” falls into the same problem: it is not really a great and wide category, not much more than “banana” or “chair”.
    This means that even the very ideas of “ultimate”, “universe”, “universal”, “being”, are ridiculous as well, in their pretence to embrace “the whole”, “all”, “everything”.
    As I said, those who don’t have this pretence are science and art. Science doesn’t need to be ridiculously imitated by philosophy.
    I think that philosophy can, instead, try to be, modestly, an art of playing ideas. Not “playing with ideas”, as ideas were toys, but “playing ideas”, as they were musical instruments, or musical notes. Philosophy can do this e nothing would be able to do it better than philosophy, while keeping a dialogue with all other fields of human culture.
  • The “hard problem” of suffering
    To say that when the body is suffering no one is suffering, are you saying that you are not your body? What is it that you are referring to when you say, "you"? Are you referring to your body, brain, mind, soul, or what?Harry Hindu
    When I say “I”, I am referring to my subjective experience of feeling “I”, that, since it is subjective, is impossible to prove, otherwise it would become objective. So, I cannot say that I am my body, because this would make the meaning of “I” something objective.
    I experience that my subjective feeling of “I” is connected, dependent, on some objective things: my body, external events, a lot of things, but “connected” and “dependent” does not mean that it is just an objective result of these elements.
    I can put, for a moment, myself in a materialistic, scientific perspective, so that I understand that, for other people, I am just an object: they have no way to enter my subjectivity. But, when I put myself in the perspective coming from my inner experience of myself, which is the perspective of my subjectivity, it becomes impossible to me to reduce my experience of “I” to something objective. I feel my experience of my subjectivity as something undeniable to me; undeniable not because I am able to give evidence of it to myself. I cannot prove my subjectivity even to myself. I feel it undeniable because I feel myself inside it, it is a feeling; it cannot be anything more than feeling, otherwise it would be objective and provable.
  • Cognitive bias: tool for critical thinking or ego trap?
    I know about cognitive bias and I try to avoid it, and you don’t, so I’m closer to the truth than you areSkalidris

    I think there is a mistake exactly in the text I quoted. In your hypothetical example, the talking person is considering the relativity they are immersed in ("I know about cognitive bias"), but then they reason in way that ignores the relativity they are immersed in ("’m closer to the truth than you are"), because they make an absolute statement. This is inconsistent. The correct conclusion of the relativistic premise is "so I hope I am closer to the truth than you are" or "so I might be closer to the truth than you are". This is the reasoning that I adopt in my relativistic choices: may be my choices are nothing, but may be they are something, beyond my and your understanding: who knows?

Angelo Cannata

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