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Iran War?No, I don't. I think you're misreading me. If you read anger into my posts, that's the reader's error. — BitconnectCarlos
Ok. I guess I just don't get where you're coming from. When I told what Israel did to the Palestinians so that they ended up in refugee camps, you laughed about it, but then you're horrified by the Iranian government. It really seems to me that there's something wrong with your moral compass. Take that for whatever it's worth. -
Iran War?.. Would you agree you have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder? You say more and more outrageous things until someone calls you on it.
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Two ways to philosophise.The key thing about affect is its character as change of disposition, as a being exposed to the world in a fresh way. That doesn’t seem to be adequately captured by the solipsistic connotations of a mind turning inward towards itself. Affect does the precise opposite, throwing us outside of ourselves by the way it affects us. — Joshs
I was referencing the fact that we model the world and react to the model prior to reacting to the world, but more physiologically, the most powerful driver of emotion is dopamine. Activation of dopaminergic pathways starts within the organism, most fundamentally in architecture contained in DNA. -
Two ways to philosophise.The relation between affect and cognition has been my thing for a long time, and I’ve collected so much ‘flesh’ for the enactivist view it would make Buffalo Bill proud. — Joshs
I agree that an organism and its environment are intertwined. I don't agree that stasis is an illusion. It's one pole of an opposition. You can't conceive of motion without it.
I don't think there is much flesh connecting any philosophical outlook to an explanation for consciousness because there presently is no explanation for it. All we do is speculate. -
Two ways to philosophise.Or we could argue that for the most part emotions are the mind interacting with itself. Realizing that has the benefit of a kind of freedom.
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Two ways to philosophise.I talked to @Pierre-Normand once about embodied consciousness. It's an interesting idea, but far from fleshed out enough to make assertions. You would want to frame it as a possibility that emotion can't be extricated from the organism-environment entity. That's certainly not the only way to view it.
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Iran War?Ah, but when the Jews do it...well, we can't have that. — RogueAI
I don't feel that way. Israel created a lot of innocent victims and it's spitting on their graves to act like Israel had no choice. Let's just say it: Zionists are assholes. That's not antisemitism. It's the truth.
This is the matter. No one cares about Muslim on Muslim violence. It's only if the Jews dare raise their hand against one of the regional players that all hell breaks loose. 500k killed in Syria by Assad and no one could care less. Iran arrests and beats women to death in their prisons, and you'll see no protests. — BitconnectCarlos
Victim complex. -
Iran War?Many of you here are having a very hard time putting yourselves in Israel's shoes and seeing the culpability of Iran here. If you constantly threaten the annihilation of the strongest kid on the block, and fund terrorist proxies to go after him, and you're now scheming to get your hands on a new big weapon...might the problem be you? — RogueAI
Yes, I get it. What I can't handle is someone (@BitconnectCarlos) suggesting that Israel has been nothing but a victim in all this. That's not true. -
Iran War?That was undoubtedly part of it, but remember that almost all of the hijackers came from SA, and we haven't done a thing to them. — RogueAI
Wolfowitz believed democracy would spread outward from Iraq and eventually change SA. He had witnessed this in SE Asia, and so thought would happen in the Middle East as well.
The nonAmericans here don't understand this. They think Trump and Americans are just itching to take out Iran. — RogueAI
I can see why it would be difficult to grasp that American involvement is really just that Trump saw Israel winning and wanted to get in on the victory feels.
Instead, we're looking at what Trump is doing like someone watching a horror movie with their hands over their face. — RogueAI
:grin: I read the NY Times, but I avoid news otherwise. I just don't want to hear about Trump. -
Iran War?do you think they still would have been invaded? — RogueAI
I think the US knew Saddam couldn't back down. After the war, Wolfowitz explained that the point was to democratize the Middle East starting with Iraq. That was supposed to basically give al Qaeda what they wanted, so no more 9-11 style attacks.
All that thinking is in the past now. I don't think Trump entertains any middle eastern strategy. -
Two ways to philosophise.Feelings aren’t inner senses sprinkling their subjective coloration over experiences , but activities, doings. They are our ways of being attuned in situations, the way things strike us. — Joshs
A feeling is an activity?
You can change the way things "strike" you. You can influence your emotions through will (up to a point), while your actions stay the same. -
Two ways to philosophise.Your somewhat literal interpretation might miss the point that what a city is like is dependent on what one chooses to do in that city. — Banno
I just think when a person asks what it's like to live in a city, they're asking how it feels to live there. You'd want to help them connect it to feelings they already know about. Wouldn't you want to describe scenes, rhythms, tastes, colors, etc? Compare and contrast to other locations? Yes, you probably gathered that information by doing things, but that seems incidental. Consciousness is filled with feelings, right? -
Two ways to philosophise.The moving cities analogy is interesting. I think we can take it a bit further. Let's consider the question, "What's it like to live in Kansas City?" This frames the issue as if there were only one way to live in Kansas City. but of course what it is like to live in Kansas City is not a thing, but a series of choices and interactions - do you stay in your flat, or do you go out and explore the parks? Do you join a choir, or a bike club? Do you get to know your neighbours, or keep to your old relationships?
The analogy holds when we consider changes in fundamental beliefs. it's not about what is the case, so much as what you do next. As such there is no answer to "What's it like to live in Kansas City?" apart from what one choses to do in Kansas City. — Banno
If someone asked what it's like to live in Kansas City, I would imagine they're asking what the people are like, what the local culture consists of, the natural environment, etc.
If you answered with: "I drive on a giant highway to get a giant steak and potato" I think your listener would wonder about you. In other words, you'd have to spout out a huge number of personal anecdotes to convey what you could easily express with descriptions. -
Iran War?That's right, Frank. How dare the Jews want to have their own land in their ancestral homeland. I agree -- that's much of what it comes down to. Why can't they just happily subject themselves to Arab rule? The Arabs play nicely. They are merciful rulers with a record of fair treatment towards their minority populations.
How dare those Jews assert themselves? If only they knew they are less, there would be no problems. Their place is under the Muslims. Under the Arabs. And how dare those Nazi Zionists challenge this fact. — BitconnectCarlos
It's all short term bullshit. Israel will be a footnote in the history of the 20th Century. A terrible mistake. -
Iran War?The nice, left-wing Israelis failed, thus you get Likud. — BitconnectCarlos
This is completely untrue. The intifadas were a response to Israeli invasion, occupation and control of the West Bank and Gaza. To characterize the behavior of the Israeli government during that time as "nice" is nauseating. Israel did everything it could think of to make life hell for the Palestinians in the occupied territories. They clearly wanted the Palestinians to either die or leave, and they did neither.
You're making up your own history so you can imagine that Israel is a victim. It's not. The reason there hasn't been peace in the region is very simple. It's Zionism. This is not a indictment of Judaism. It's just about a couple of generations of absolute evil bastards who happen to be Jewish. Their time will pass and they'll be forgotten. Then there will be peace. -
Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)Self sufficiency is smart thing to prepare if there is crisis and the sea routes for trade are blocked. — ssu
Tell that to Thoreau. -
Iran War?
Interesting, thanks! Isn't there a concern that blowing up nuclear materials will pollute the area? -
Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here).
Self sufficiency is an old American thing. You're free to the extent that you're self sufficient, so pulling back from the world stage, increasing tariffs to promote American industry, basically building a wall around America, all that makes sense at a deep level to the archetypal American, out on the range, living off trapped rabbits and wild onions. And coffee. Lots of coffee. -
Two ways to philosophise.Third option, I project build, welcoming your dissection, to produce a well tested product.
Except not here. Resisting it not on any principle but respecting the thread is maybe not the place. — Fire Ologist
Fair enough.
This thread is about the process. Or types of processes. — Fire Ologist
What I see is all the emotion involved. Project builders love their projects. There's something a little sadistic about dissection. -
Two ways to philosophise.Truth is said in statements or known in subjects and is about what is. Correspondence is part of it. Alignment of subject to object. Coherence and validity is part of this. Being is part of this. Identity and unity will be issues.
This is me avoiding the question. Truly. — Fire Ologist
In this exchange, you're project building and I'm dissecting. You either become fascinated by the mechanics of dissection, or you resist it because you're in love with the project. :smile: -
Iran War?You seem to be under the impression that the people of Iran are insane fundamentalist muslims. I don't think that's right. I think they're only being ruled by insane fundamentalist muslims. — BitconnectCarlos
I guess there's supposed to be some kind of argument in there somewhere, but I was looking for facts. -
Iran War?Because his regime murders women for not wearing hijabs. — BitconnectCarlos
That doesn't mean the people of Iran hate their government. -
Iran War?It is the history of their own religion. — BitconnectCarlos
Partly. Like Judaism, Christianity is partly Persian and Greek. -
Iran War?I'm pretty sure the people of Iran hate Khameini and would celebrate if he died. — BitconnectCarlos
Why do you think that? -
Iran War?I don't know if we'll see a regime change, but I would love to see Iran liberated. — BitconnectCarlos
I think they're planning to kill Ali Khamenei. Nothing says let's be friends like killing their religious leader.
It's nice to have other people who value the history of ancient Israel. — BitconnectCarlos
They think it's the history of their own religion, and it partly is. -
Iran War?Israel’s defense minister, Israel Katz, said that he and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the Israeli military to increase “the intensity of the attacks on strategic targets in Iran and governmental targets in Tehran.” Stepping up Israel’s attacks, Katz said, was meant “to remove the threats to the state of Israel and to destabilize the ayatollahs’ regime.” — NY Times
So this is about regime change, or it's not, or it is.
Christians think the whole Bible belongs to them. They're as fascinated by climbing Mt Sinai at dawn as they are hanging around the Jordan River.Christians will always be fascinated with that land where Jesus walked. — BitconnectCarlos -
Two ways to philosophise.So you admit there is a world we are both talking about? — Fire Ologist
I assume so.
When you ask me “what is truth”, do you mean “what is knowledge” or “how do we know” or do you mean “what is real” or do you mean “what is”? — Fire Ologist
You said:
I’m not afraid of the big bad authoritarian tyrant, as long as he is telling the truth. — Fire Ologist
Is truth a property of statements? Or is it a property of the world? Or what? -
Two ways to philosophise.Truth is about the world, not merely the speaking stating it. — Fire Ologist
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Two ways to philosophise.
Maybe philosophical project building comes from an innate need to make the world predictable, explainable, controllable. Out of project building comes technological feats, like the solar calendar, which end up surviving thousands of years of philosophical flux.
People like Descartes and Kant could be looked at the same way. They left us with ideas to play with, to explore. So the poster who shows up with a project is giving us something to test. -
Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)Some people could have a 3000 year hate and they'd still be snarling like a wounded dog.
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Iran War?The problem isn't that another nation is stronger than Israel. The problem is that the nation expresses genocidal intentions towards Israel and was on the verge of going nuclea — BitconnectCarlos
I doubt that's the cause of the present war. It's that Iran funded Hamas. This is a continuation of the invasion of Gaza, back to it's source. At least they told the residents of Tehran to evacuate. That was the right thing to do.
With Gaza, they failed to make a humanitarian corridor in a timely fashion. That was a terrible crime. -
Iran War?Israel’s military claimed on Tuesday that it had killed Maj. Gen. Ali Shadmani, describing him as Iran’s most senior military commander, as the most intense military conflict between the two countries entered its fifth day.
Iran did not immediately comment on Israel’s claim. Maj. Gen Shadmani. He was only appointed to the role on Friday, when Israel killed his predecessor in widespread attacks against Iran’s military on the first day of the war.
Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a statement on Friday saying that he had named General Shadmani to command the Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters, the most important economic arm of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. — New York Times
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