biological is nature, we agree, argument and my opinion is artifical does not exist in that meaning, artifical is a nature is premise.

i agree. I hope we heat on in some discussion.

if someone goes to a doctor, and say he has a liver problem, so they both are looking on liver, but he has a heart problem, nothing usefull will be done. Premise is there is not such a thing as unnatural, all is nature, space, car, tree, human.... If you play from start, Just to achieve some feelings, good and bad but unreal story, you have to agree a lot of harm work Will be done.

sry, but there is 9 billions different meanings of "natural"...

No, there is no bad or good nature, it was provocation. Very important for discussion is to say if human are nature 100% ? where did you get all "unnatural things", my premise is from nature, so how is possible for human kind to talk in terms natural unnatural, which let to explotation,... it is Just conciouss nature are changing nature. Or wind change sand, lighting hit tree,... Or being change eadt to metal and so... If premises are true, my next premise is, it would be very natural from us to take care of rivers,... Like we take care for our wealht, happiness, our relationship and so on...

If you put 1 ton of plastic bottles in your yard, my premise is, you didnt do unnatural thing, but just nature is going bad, like if basketball player miss the shot, he didnt do it on purpose but he didnt figure it out yet.... Nature breaking bad. Not annatural, we just wont get what we want...

Thank ypu for your answer, but are human, are you a nature or unnatural being ? Is conciousness nature or unnatural ?

Everything we do in life we are doing in pursuing happiness - so my premise would be all we do we do for harmony - but ofcourse in limited indentity from that ignorance comes and then disharmony, but at start is always harmony. You hit the guy, because he is bad, bad for limited indentity in us... Bad for harmony.
Polutted air comes from short viewed "harmony" not because we are bad guys. All wants good wealth,....

But your premise then would be, human are unnatural beings, which i am trying to discuss that we forget we are complete, 100% natural. If you disagre with premise and you agree "we are also 100% nature like tree for example", then would be very easy to feel, if you dismanage your rivers is like you phisically cut your finger off - i opologize for example, you would never do that even in short span.
Premise, if you are not playing a game nature, and man made nature - "unnatural", you would put much more recognition what is going on with "nature -non man made", like you check if you are doing enough for your, health, emotions,... Because you are 100% nature, even conciousness this is a premise.

So you agree plastic is nature, but it takes 450years to decompose. But this is my opinion if you make unreal image there is nature and unnatural, how you would not be exploitative ? The premise is there is not such a thing as unnatural - the unreal game in our heads are a problem. Do you agree ?

So how to talk with them ?
why do you guys think we are nature, not partically, but are we ?

i agree, i cannot split now further is one whole thing
if you are one guy whole life, is now always the same ? you grow, go slimmer, fatter, change some personalities,.. you changed but still the same guy, is now always the same ? what do you think.

if you feel smth as you, no one has to tell you how to treat it, him,... So if it is true we are nature this mean you cant be given earth as gift, you are earth, its like you would give gift from your bank account to your banck account....it can be good managed or bad, but..
if true, we are nature, all we have to do, to make sure, this would be a living expirience for all people, maybe is simpler then we think.

Peter was his all life same guy, is "now" in same principle always same guy ?

Methfhisical undercover what you referat as "now" can be split into smaller now ? Or is one whole thing impossible of division ?

Imagine until cycle doesnt happen in you,.. how would you notice anything ? From that i argue for every individuals times has to be the same. You travel with speed of light - almost, for you cycle would be the same, as for me with lets say 30km/s in earth. But you would move slowly relative to me in your space ship, because cycle would happend more slowly in your movement, but as expirience would be the same for you and me - funny things, it looks like time tik tak for all the same in expirience,

Air exist in earth, i blu ballon, you blu ballon, we let them fly, we easly say this i mine baloon this is yours, but then mww comes and pups ballon, where did air go ? how we will decide which is mine and which is yours air. I noticed, dont think to much of yourself-i ment me also,
Universe need changes, counting to make it happend for us. Universe need cycle that anything as pyshicall happens in any way, i would say. And then we came,....

lets say there is nothing physicall, not even you and me, nothing around to see, how we would know how much time went ? 2 millions years goes how experienced would look ? only because pyhsical time exist, its reality makes time "real",... Only what is real we can expirience, we have to expirience change, to notice time.
If time exist on his own and that would make a cycle, change,... i have a problem if cycle doesnt happened in any way how would "universe" count time ? cylce makes time, i would argue

wont you agree, because time we can think, not around ? .... western people think to much of a thought - it gives all luxuries we have, but how to get deeper ? Even body, mind dont need to think all the time, i agree cycle are not dependent what we think, even doesnt need to be noticed

For joke: think a body as 100 billion wathces, they count time how many "time" we have to grave. It is funny because we have all the sam watch, but different energies, if you sleep time goes on, you study, time goes, you got married yesterday time.... always same time for all of us, but different capabilities as body,... energie

It is provocation. Time doesnt exist because you have to know time is consequence of pyhsical nature, so you notice time because cycle occur, people know it hapened one day because sun make one cycle, and if you go as deep as you can, you know smth happened because you saw cycle, change happens out of this, and we say this happening: time. It is a consequence not a real thing to hold on

Thnks for answer,
try time think one time you consider cycles and another time you say there is no cycles. If it is only now, tomorow never comes, past doesnt exist, or you show me, where ? Please try with cyles. I am looking into: time exist because cycle exist

Guys : 100 year marathon, russia is a small player... USA weak up !

If you have a choice to feel better would you choose ? If yes, then this mean if you know how, you will feel better, so Question is, who doesnt understand ? Me, car, job, your paciences, doctors, parents, traffics jams, salary, wealth, girlfriend who ? answer should be abviously you dont understand, so my question is, who is more complicated car, computer, rocket or mind ? if you said mind, please tell me show me more sofisticated thing that mind,.. human mechanism ? So tell me how much and how you are learnign to understand it, 5, 10, 20 minutes per day ? No go.

Please somone show me the time which is not right now. You watch picture, which was taken in past, right know in your computer with bits, colours.... You have memory, neurons are conecting right know, phisically show me time which is not exactly right now ?

Do you guys know that in mathematical logic is proofed, there are truths you can not proof. ?

Closer to the nature of being it seems — Heiko

The idea is you capture some life i, deer, horse, elephant, ant, ... capture some life, we die life still exist,
Molecule get life from life, it dies back to common life...
Idea is how we can decise what is your air and what is mine after we pop up ballons ?

One way, look at your room, storage house, to much uselles stuff. In Life, some good things, and a lot of uselles things, death happens, recycling. After 40y you try to convince younger generations, its make sanse good if not, hmmmmm

It is true, nirvana, you have to know, from scriptions, it is none existense.
It Means, you done everything as "Leaving", ego and you go to ultimate expensions.

Two persons blu a baloon, this is his, and this ballon is from another person, you pup the ballons, where air goes???

Cut your finger off, you still exist, put your finger back you say finger is you ?
You get your finger, from earth, you put it back after time.
It is small at first now is bigger, how ? Food from earth.
Dony forget you are the nature and truth is always only what really works, conciouss is 100% nature.

Maybe, try to quite your mind, thoughts, do you get better or lesser intuition ?
Sit with friend in room, his goal is to ask you, do you know that this pen sit on table, (you didnt notice it in concious), you try hard, is maybe answer in the air - intuition ?

What do you know first color od the car or its engine ?

Question "trying hard enough" has the answer. Learn to be quiet and you Will get the true happiness.

I am good is meant I AM OK

Not depessed people get, at least 50 - 100 burst of feeling "i am good" per day. It is very Simple, accesible feeling. Try to maintain, push button, 10h per day, it is a good start. ;-)

If you dance, do you want get from one place to another ? Or are you enjoying a movement
If you listen a good music, do you want music to get to the end fast ? Or you enjoying it in process ?

You figure it out, that good survival is not ultimate goal. If a person like to look a sea, from where this feeling comes from, from sea or person himselft ? if that same person are not at sea, would he ask himself to produce a feelling he knows he can - no, because we are still in stone age. You carry the whole chemistry factory, from which you will experience everything in your life, it has to goes always through your interpretation, everything you experienced and you will. Start to figure it out and learn how to use your ultimate machine and you will leave nihilism behind. Human always want to be smth. more and you can not stop it, we are just look for it in wrong direction, survive, survive, a lot of humanity has really good life, but everyone is almost half alive, because what now if you have good car, job ? nature has plan for 5 years project, to make sure we survive good, upgrade yourself.

Like computer has windows program, beings have also. Nature makes sure that you have good chance for :
1. Survive. Child is born start putting things not in his ears, but in mouth. In certain age, you notice women, if you are a man, and vice vrsa, you try to copy people, which they are in your indentity, has success
2. makes something better in your lifetime. We are all half alive, because it is very important that information what is succesfull in your time and place has to come to you, and you have to do it better, Or at least be quite.

For nuture: How many truth really are there ? I would argue only one, one thing and only at time right now is going on, and top of that this is happening all at our tip of the nose. Like you learn to write you have to figure life and hit a homerun - you have to nuture yourself, have longing to be something more tottal expansion which we can not get in "windows" program.

Nirvana is none existence. Question is are you ready for it ?