Thanks Michael. I want to believe in something, a purpose. I'm trying to find an equilibrium of sorts. However I don't see it as some sort of simulation or story so to speak. It'll be interesting to see what happens upon death. As we are all energy and energy doesn't just disappear.

I agree that society sucks but at least question the idea to its completion, and agree that the world sucks. This doesn't have to be a restrictive truth. Its totally possible to recognize the world sucks and to still live a very free life. Of the reading I've done, I'd say the advice I read most is to question and to perfect yourself. It's possible to hate the world, but don't hate yourself too. — Frank Barroso

How can I be free if I'm bound by the civilized life? I've never hated myself. The fact things can be imperfect and perfect shouldn't be a possibility. Things should 'just exist' as they are. To me there is no good or bad, right or wrong decision. Contemplation is pointless. We don't know anything outside of the physical world. The issue is never feeling like you belong. You will never be happy to the point of contentment with something. You will always want or imagine something else. We don't belong at all. We're a hybrid of an ideal.

As long as your happy, that's all it comes down to at the end of our lives.

It's mostly just a thing we just do and not rationalize over that much. I guess the easy answer is that we just conform to our past or present authoritarian structures and staus quo. — Posty McPostface

- I'm in dire need of help. I need to find a 'distraction', something to take my mind away from the system/stresses of everyday living. On my commute to work I often find myself hoping for someone to crash into me just to make the cycle of life more interesting :/

Hey, if it makes you feel better, I don't believe in the original 9/11 explanation as to three buildings falling down due to office fires, all in one day, and with the precedent being that it has never happened before or since 9/11. Strange day. — Posty McPostface

- This is just one case, there are thousands of lies, lies on lies. Not knowing the truth/purpose aggravates me and as a result makes me depressed.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. People to some degree disgust me nowadays. I'm not better than them though, and at least that realization helps me function and interact when necessary around them. — Posty McPostface

- Yeah I even get angry inside at my family for the minor things they say/do. Have you ever thought you should stand by what you believe in, even if it means upsetting your own family? You are better in your own way. You determine your own right from wrong, that's how you deal with your conscience. I can't judge you and vice versa.

Reece

Hope you are in good health?

I'm still struggling to find a reason to participate in human society. I don't like the idea that we are to live to a certain expectation, School>College>University>Work>Retirement etc. Do you think I could survive if I chose to stop working tomorrow? I think not, as apparently it's becoming illegal (in places) to live off-grid. The everyday problems humanity encounter are by design of a corrupt system pedaled by a minority. How is it that ancient civilizations were able to determine things we have only recently discovered, yet they had it written on/in tablets and scrolls? This is but a fragment of problems, the issue is we are not asking the questing of how, how was it possible for them to know despite to official story of 'evolution and the ages'.

We're being deprived of knowledge and it makes me angry that I have to live among people who just accept the 'official stories'. I often want to just quit my job because of the things people say around me. They literally have no wisdom and can't think for themselves. People use concepts/sciences taught by evil to make misguided decisions/conclusions.

I don't know any 'acclaimed philosophers', it's never appealed to me that I should seek peace/consolation in others. Should you not live by your own compass and not someone else? All be it completely fine to do so as your freedom to choose.

It's becoming more a problem for me to the point I'm avoiding social confrontations to prevent talking about such topics. If I could take humans out of the equation my desire to never see or hear anything would lessen.

Reece

Thanks for your reply, appreciated. I read all replies, sometimes twice. I don't understand all of them and feel I just get lost. The only thing I acknowledge is my lack of understanding.

It feels like I've built a sphere around my brain made of denial :'(

I'm just going to have to accept the physical world around me and see out the rest of my years never knowing who what or why.

Isn't the problem with nature rather than civilization? — n0 0ne

No, Nature is wild and free to a degree. Civilization binds us to an expectation of how to live...

Thanks, nice reply :)

Not at all. What I am suggesting is that you make a real commitment to something--a cause, a project, a reading program (whatever you like to read), politics, a job, serving others--anything, really that you can find an interest in, and pursue it. — Bitter Crank

I have a few commitments to helping disabled people and looking after animals but no matter what it all leads to more questions. It infuriates me how disrespectful humans are to one-another, how ‘we’ treat animals, what gives us the right to breed for slaughter no matter how ‘humane’?. Did ‘God’ give us the right? The answer is neither right or wrong and totally subjective.

"Who put us here and why". — Bitter Crank

All religion is distorted symbolism and all eventually cross paths to a similar idea. It probably wasn’t referred to as ‘religion’ many years ago, they had the one truth/story. Now we have multiple. If I had access to technology humans did not, would I be called a God?.

We are natural to the planet, and we are natural in ourselves. — Bitter Crank

I’ve found more evidence to support we’re not natural than we are. So I’m convinced. We’re not physically adapted to this planet. Our skin does not let us go into most ecosystems except in the primo niches. Again, good and bad are relevant to you if you deem it so. We’re just energy, something science can’t dissolve.

That's fine, but in order to discriminate between knowledge that does, and does not lead anywhere, you yourself have to be extremely knowledgeable. You might want to focus on getting more knowledge. — Bitter Crank

I only discriminate ‘knowledge’ from sources unable to provide evidence or something tangible. And what quantifies as ‘extremely knowledgeable’? How much do you think I need to know in order to ‘discriminate’?

We aren't slaves, we are participants. Humans are social beings, and we can't exist apart from society. — Bitter Crank

Yeah ‘participants’ seems more appropriate. We’ve become to ‘civilized’. What are our natural instincts? They’ve become obscured.

Of course the basic necessities come at a cost. Birds can not raise their young without a cost to insects and worms. Whales can not exist without a cost to fish. Our existence comes at a cost too. There is a absurdly complex web of costs and benefits that is too complicated for any one person to grasp. — Bitter Crank

I should be able to live wild and free but no thanks to previous generations I’m forced to live a certain way with expectations to adhere to. Rules/Laws set on moral boundaries.

If you think going to school limits your free choice, try never going to school, never learning how to read and write, and never learning how to exist as a 'civilized' person if you think you have no freedom of choice. — Bitter Crank

By learning how to read and write, how to be civilized, participate in school is doing everything we’re expected to abide by which isn’t really freedom is it? Having money doesn’t give you freedom lol Not having money and being able to live the way you want is freedom. Your idea of ‘freedom’ will differ to mine as everybody else.

The point is I shouldn't need an income to survive. I shouldn't be forced to live by the common agenda.

Thanks for all your replies. It's a topic I love talking about. Whether we agree/disagree it's nice to hear from you all and understand your views.

Thanks :) the just is, is all I've got so far.

Thanks for reply BC. Are you asking me to play pretend? I have so many questions as to why, what or who put us here. It's scientifically clear we didn't evolve. We are the only species that isn't natural to this planet. I adamantly refuse to speculate, assume or believe in insufficient 'knowledge' that doesn't lead anywhere.

The only thing I can think of is to try imagine there is 'greater good' at work, because in the end we're all slaves to our own society. You know it's an issue when the basic necessities for survival come at a cost.

We don't have the freedom of choice. We all have to go to school, we all have to work or contribute in someway. Where's the 'wild' aspect in our 'civilized' way of life? There isn't one.

Thanks Sam. I fear the answer won't come from another 'human' anyway :/ I'd ask the Royal Family but I don't have that privilege.

You need to determine your own motivation. It's all subjective.

I can't bring myself round to the idea of bringing up innocence in such a corrupt environment. Humanity in it's current state is poison. All the lies, hate toward one another is no place I want to be. You'd be better of living in the wild, if you had the luxury to chose that of course.

Thanks for your reply :) I'll look into the links over the week.

There is reality, and there is your perception of reality. Reality just is — Sephi

How do I access the 'just is reality'?..

Aha, I seem to be convinced that I would find it easier to live if I wasn't so aware. Thanks for your suggestions I've listened several times :)

All day everyday my mind tunes into what people say and do, and how things work around me, why they exist and what function they serve. — Crane

It fascinates me, I find comfort it evaluating other peoples 'perspectives' although often concluding more questions. I try relax to music/sounds and let my imagination take me away from all these questions but I can't escape. You ever feel like your mind is restricted? Is it possible to erase memory?

Thank you for your reply, greatly appreciated. It feels like I'm looking at myself from the outside of a box.

After growing up with a strong desire to learn from and become like Jesus, ghandi, Buddha, etc, I plummeted deep into despair when I first grasped the possibility that all of my beliefs were concepts that were only as real as I believed them to be. — Crane

I find it really hard to focus/fixate myself toward anything without questioning its worth, refusing to participate in the everyday distraction. It's almost as if the life we (think we) 'know' was designed to be that way. A distraction from the answers we should all be searching for. Instead we're all mad at each other.

Thanks I'll give it a try :)