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Not to forget the silent determination of the masses and the affirmation of alien life by those who know better than me.

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yes.

tbqf i found the video to be mildly funny.

is Buddhism "real" as conceived by Buddhists in the light of evolution also being "real" or true?

i don't know what to make of this video

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Nice

Actually that's just part of my definition of what an evolutionary realist is. An evolutionary realist is an independent or otherwise "thinker" who believes that the reality of evolution is the reality of existence.

I incidentally defined evolutionary realist after the word or.

If I understood correctly your thoughts, it seems that you mean "we come from fishes and that's it", in the sense that reality is limited to what we can scientifically understand about it; if something cannot be grasped or at list imagined by science, then it doesn't exist. Wittgenstein thought the opposite, but not in a methaphysical way. Being mentally open to the existence of things outside the horizon of science does not mean being open to believe in the existence of supernatural things like spirits, angels, energies, telepathy, reincarnation and so on. Wittgenstein's mysticism does not mean this. Believing in the existence of supernatural things is again metaphysics, but Wittgenstein's mysticism is not metaphysical. The problem of metaphysical mysticism is that it frames the idea of things beyond science still in the frame of existence, things that exist objectively. It is not necessary to believe in the objective existence of supernatural things to be mystical. You can be open to the idea of things beyond science without framing these things into the mental scheme of objective existence. Actually this is the true mental openness towards mysticism, because thinking of supernatural things as framed in the concept of objective existence is actually not really beyond science. This is the real openness to something different, otherwise we are actually still in the mental frame of science, let's say pseudo-science. Wittgenstein was intelligent enough to understand that mysticism practiced as pseudo-science is not a real jump to another level: pseudo-science is in the same mental frame of science, because pseudo-science and science are both based on metaphysics, which is, framing things in the field of objective existence.

— Angelo Cannata

This and your other post. It's all fine and dandy. But it doesn't answer my question. What is wittgenstein's mysticism in the light of mysticism being impossible for an evolutionary realist or to us homo sapiens to whom everything is the "real" and non mystical? I have a knack for expending certain belief in people who are thought to be or have been geniuses.