@Skyclark Incorrect according to you.

@skyblack According to you.
I just gave you some examples.

@skyblack So we just disagree on the word.
To me some beliefs are knowing. And some knowing is wrong.
I believe and know the sun will rise tommorow.
Some people say they know their race is superior. That's false.
See what I mean?

@skyblack OK. Your using belief in terms of not being factual. I don't think this is the best way. Some beliefs are true or facts. I believe in my ability to run. That's true and factual.
The other thread is still there. Closed by the thought police.

@Tiberiusmoon See now your admitting everyone is not biased. So take it on a case by case basis. And those people that are biased,mainly they choose to be. They want to feel.better than others,and they want that group identity,no amount of education will change that.
The main thing is to want peace within groups and tolerance. We are a lot better than we were 40 years ago.
But you can't eliminate groups or nations. Not quite yet.

@NOS4A2 Bingo! Common sense and some balls at last!

@Tiberiusmoon But your general point still doesn't stand. Not everyone is biased by society. Do you not believe in individual agency?

@Joshs Full disclosure I've always been convinced that first hand experience or a type of phenomenology is
the grounding for all knowledge in principle. But we create new knowledge as we experience more.

@Joshs Very interesting! I think freud was really too wedded to science and too concerned with publishing work deemed scientific.
Would you class nietzsche and dostoevsky as phenomenologists?

@Apollodorus Now this is a thread! I'm sure I'm gonna disagree on lots of things,and I'm not a plato fan. But finally,someone does justice to the mystic side of plato and plotinus.
As a somewhat "mystic",I'm looking forward to your commentary. For too long plato has been secularised!
And ive had to listen to guff from secularists for too long!
Thumbs up!

@Tiberiusmoon But your using an extreme example. And not everybody has anger issues. You are universalising behaviour.

@Hanover Is it OK for a poor white person in South Africa to call a poor black person a derogative slur because he feels he has black privilege?
And is it OK for a black man in the US to call a white person a slur in the name of white privilege?
OK,meaning moral,or not needing to be censured.

@Joshs So do you think husserl was right to change his mind? I feel psychologism is correct.

@Tiberiusmoon The fact that racism exists does not mean everyone is biased but means that some people are biased.

@Hanover Nobody really says I have a prejudice against bananas. And I doubt many would be confused at the use of the word this way.
But,in cutting to the chase,prejudice against humans is wrong. And in this thread I've asked people if it's OK for a white minority to be prejudiced against a black majority?
And none has the balls to answer...Yet.

@Tiberiusmoon The problem with your theory is once again it makes a mockery of words,and assumes its conclusion without warrant. If everyone is socially biased then what does the word really refer to? Degrees of bias?
There is no proof that people are influenced carte blanche to the point of all being biased by social influence.
And I didn't assume you were culturally biased,I.just thought you are wrong in your theory,mistaken.

@Tiberiusmoon So your assuming people want to change. And assuming everyone has been corrupted by their culture. Any proof of either?

That's better!

@Benkei How about putting the original post from tiberiusmoon?
No argument?
You mean no answer!

@Baden Scared of truth.

@Benkei Yep. So specialised that you can hide behind the definition when it suits. Its called lawyer double speak. Go and clarify with 180 if he thinks black people can't be racist but only prejudiced.

@Baden I've backed up everything and you and your cronies are just dancing around the issue.
It's seems to me you think YOU are the arbiter of what is and isn't racism. The rest is posturing and sophistry.

@Banno And?
You know they have Korean and black jesus. Is that racist as well?

@Baden Absurdity hypotheticals?! Have you seen some of the governments in Africa?
False? It's that you didn't agree mate. Nothing was false.

@Baden And there are no powerful oppressive black leaders?

@Baden So by the same token black jesus is racist as well?

@Baden Well,given the context I saw different.
Any other contexts?
Because it seems that if its one of yours the context is stretched to incredulity.
If that reference would have been to black jesus you would have deleted it. Tell me you wouldn't have?

@Baden Of course. But what contextualisation?
Whether it's backed by institutional power or individual? Because both are racism.

@Banno Go tell your wife mate.

@Banno Voyeur.

@Benkei You mean based on your reading habits and comprehension skills!
The problem is glaring. Myself and others have said these definitions are dubious. You admit yourself in Holland people are puzzled. All races can be racis,fact. But you want to move the goalposts over to your politics to make it seem prejudice is totally different.

@Banno Its a shame you don't get it though!

@Banno All true news. Not your fake stuff. And well above your pay grade.

@Baden Nope,I judge people as I meet them through behaviour,not the town they inhabit. Run out of ideas mate?

@Benkei Biased in favour of Family! Wow. Your hilarious.
So now bias has no meaning either.
Wittgenstein and banno have dropped dead on the ice!

@Benkei Because it allows people to hide their bigotry and Racism under the guise of being just prejudiced.
I mean people say black people can't be racist in the US only prejudiced. That's a form of racism. Not hard to understand really.

@Baden Who the hell said I agree with your sophist definition of prejudice to even include Family.
So everything is prejudice now? Get our of town mate. That's nonsense,and you know it.

Come on @Banno,are you seeing @Baden with his outlandish eccentricity of words?
Or have you gone silent about the linguistic and behavioural sins of any but those you are prejudiced against?

@Baden Absolute sophistry. A mockery of words.
So this renders pretty much any relationship with anyone a "prejudice"?

@Banno Read benkeis Post above. Obviously doesn't seem to be historical in the Netherlands.
@Benkei