Is it not fair to say with this example in mind, despite what the conservatives are saying against Cortez (who again, I am not fan of), that one can actually be factually incorrect, AND morally right at the same time? — Mr Phil O'Sophy
Quite sure of that? As to "thingness," no contest. Is that what you meant?There is no such thing as being morally right or wrong. — Harry Hindu
that it is a misconstrued idea is right, and with respect to what it misconstrues, is wrong, right? — tim wood
has been in the news recently because she is getting corrected by fact checkers and they have been giving her some stick for putting out some wrong information. — Mr Phil O'Sophy
Which wouldn't itself be moral utterances. — Terrapin Station
I think you're talking about being factually right or wrong here. It is factually right, or correct, that morals, or morality (the idea of moral right and wrong) are misconstrued ideas. What one misconstrues is that moral right and wrong are objective and exist independent of one's goals (like as a set of rules handed down by God). If goals are subjective then so are morals. Because morals are subjective it doesn't make sense to say that they can be right or wrong.I've chewed on this for a while, but I'm not getting it. Expand on it a little (or more than a little, or just the right amount)?
It does seem to me that if a moral is a misconstrued idea, then that it is a misconstrued idea is right, and with respect to what it misconstrues, is wrong, right? — tim wood
There's also a lie of omission. Why seek to malign this woman? Is it misogyny? Racism? Political ideology? You deny knowledge of your motives, again - to pervert the calculus of moral reason. — karl stone
Political ideology most likely, There is a large segment of both Republicans and Democrats who'll look for any reason to criticize or "rip apart" anyone from the other side, merely because they're on the other side. — Terrapin Station
Do they not understand there's a difference between socialist government, and social provision. They have trash collected, I suppose, street lights, armed forces, police, prisons - a long list of public goods to which they could easily add health and education without becoming a socialist country. It's very strange. — karl stone
It's not possible to be morally wrong or right. It is possible to be factually wrong or right. — Harry Hindu
Moral right/wrong don't have anything to do with being factually correct. There are no moral facts, aside from the fact that someone has the moral views that they do. — Terrapin Station
The three of us seem to agree that objective moral values don't exist. However, I'll point out that we still have moral beliefs. — Relativist
Behaving morally entails behaving consistently with one's moral beliefs. — Relativist
Also, despite the non-existence of objective moral values - we CAN inter-subectively agree on various moral beliefs. — Relativist
I'll bet all three of us intersubjectively believe raping a child is wrong. — Relativist
Objectivity is not attainable, but intersubjectivity is and it serves almost the purpose because it establishes the beliefs we have in common. It is an intersubjective belief that rape is wrong, and therefore something to be prevented - no need to debate that.I'm not a fan of the word "intersubjective." It looks like the ontological category terms "objective" and "subjective," as if it would be a different, third category, as if it would cover something that the other two terms miss, but it isn't/it doesn't. — Terrapin Station
Objectivity is not attainable, but intersubjectivity is and it serves almost the purpose because it establishes the beliefs we have in common. It is an intersubjective belief that rape is wrong, and therefore something to be prevented - no need to debate that. — Relativist
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