• Climate change denial
    "In history" you say, that is quite an absurd exaggeration.Merkwurdichliebe

    No, it isn’t.

    the world coming to an endMerkwurdichliebe

    Strawman.


    China deflection.

    Actually the CCP are doing far more than the Republicans. And they also don’t pretend climate change isn’t happening. Whatever their failings, they don’t hold a candle to the most dangerous organization in history.

    But way to go exhuming that old diversion. :clap:
  • Climate change denial
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    Another conspiracy narrative graph.

    But how do we REALLY know there’s that much CO2 or that the temperatures have risen? Have YOU seen the thermometers or ice core samples? Have YOU been to Mauna Loa?

    Science has been wrong before! We should question the overwhelming evidence narratives! And I say this because I’m super smart and free thinking. Unlike the dupes that listen to these “climate scientist” types.

    But Heritage Foundation is cool. And trustworthy. Because they have no reason whatsoever to undermine trust in science or deliberately manufacture doubt.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Just because Ukraine has Nazi paramilitaries and just because it's impossible to take photos of Ukrainian soldiers without capturing Nazi insignia and just because Ukrainian Nazis get applauded in parliament doesn't mean we're on the side of the Nazis, you crazy Russian shill. — Johnstone
  • Climate change denial


    No, I just have little tolerance for climate deniers spreading propaganda from the Heritage Foundation. There’s no “black and white” fallacy. And the attempts to portray those who listen to the counter scientists and overwhelming evidence is, as usual, quite pathetic.

    Anyway — do you have anything left to add to this thread? Any more Koch propaganda you’d like to share? If not, consider running along.
  • Climate change denial
    That source that you're pulling from, that conservative Christian think tank, has received nearly a million dollars from Exxon mobile. Let's follow that money.flannel jesus

    No no! Remember he said not to question the person or the institution. So that’s ruled out. Except when dealing with scientists and scientific institutions around the world — that’s where the real conspiracy lies.

    NASA and the Royal Society? Questionable sources — never mind the evidence.

    The Heritage Foundation? Hey stick with what’s said.
  • Climate change denial
    If nearly a trillion dollars has been spent, and almost no progress has been made, who has been getting lots of money for producing next to nothing. We definitely need to follow the climate change money.Agree-to-Disagree

    Except plenty of progress has been made, and Moore’s claims that anyone is saying otherwise is, as usual, complete nonsense that you lap up unquestioningly.

    For someone so skeptical of climate science, you sure do put a lot of trust in the Heritage Foundation and non-climate scientists.

    It’s almost as if this were selective skepticism.

    Moore rejects the scientific consensus on climate change. In 2009, he described climate change as "the biggest scam of the last two decades."[25] In columns and op-eds, Moore called those with concerns about climate change "Stalinistic" and has accused climate scientists of being part of a global conspiracy to obtain money via research grants.[26][27] In an April 2019 interview, Moore said that the Federal Reserve should not consider the economic impacts of climate change in decision-making.[28]

    Just a non-biased source bravely questioning the establishment, the groupthink of scientists around the world who are just faking the data for research grants, and who don’t dare present the “evidence” disproving climate change.

    People believe this stuff. Do people this ignorant really exist or am I being punk’d?
  • Climate change denial
    How dare I impugn the integrity of scientists and left-wing think-tanks by suggesting that their research findings are perverted by hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer handouts. The irony of this indignation is that any academic whose research dares question the “settled science” of the climate change complex is instantly accused of being a shill for the oil and gas industry or the Koch brothers.

    What “research” dares to question it? All I’m seeing is the usual claims of “maybe data is being suppressed because of Big Climate” conspiracies. No research whatsoever. Just stupid claim after stupid claim by an economic commentator for a conservative think tank.

    While it’s funny that he accurately describes himself, plenty of con man do the same thing. “I’m not gonna steal your money — what do you think I am, a con man?”

    Naomi Oreskes has documented this very well.
    — Mikie

    :rofl:
    Agree-to-Disagree

    What’s funny about that?

    Oh wait, you’re just imitating me, like a child. My bad— I forgot who I was dealing with.

    Fits right in with everything else you’ve written. “Big oil” — no, “big climate!” :rofl:
  • Climate change denial
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    Is this graph too hard to understand? Is it a narrative? Is it the result of scientific groupthink? Is it all based on made-up data? Is it really nothing to worry about?

    It’s no coincidence that right wing/ conservative/libertarian/Christian evangelical ideology is usually at the heart of climate denial. Naomi Oreskes has documented this very well.

    Thus the well-qualified “skeptics” here making fools of themselves are the very same people who defend Donald Trump, who constantly harp against communism and socialism, are always whining about big government, and/or are devout Christians.

    Have they simply been groomed by Koch propaganda? Sure. But it goes beyond climate denial.
  • Climate change denial
    Good data and reliable informationjavi2541997

    Oh? Like what?

    Because so far you’ve shown excellent judgment.




    Why don’t you three geniuses start a thread about how climate change is a Chinese hoax or whatever. :up:
  • Climate change denial


    I’m glad you’ve now given up on any pretext of caring about climate science and have now gone full climate denial. Awesome.

    Quoting the heritage foundation and an imbecile and proven fraud like Stephen Moore for “evidence” of a global conspiracy. A new low.

    Climate Change Industrial Complex.

    :rofl:

    But the tidal wave of funding does reveal a powerful financial motive for scientists to conclude that the apocalypse is upon us.

    So just typical selective skepticism, trying to imply that it’s the thousands of scientists around the world who are biased, not the shills for fossil fuels like Stephen Moore and Heritage.

    The funding to adapt to climate change has nothing to do with physics and climate science. And the IPCC doesn’t talk about “apocalypse.” That’s just a stupid strawman.

    If you are a young eager-beaver researcher who decides to devote your life to the study of global warming, you’re probably not going to do your career any good or get famous by publishing research that the crisis isn’t happening.

    Ohhh I see— so this mysterious evidence that the crisis isn’t happening is suppressed globally. But Stephen Moore must know what that evidence is…he’s an expert in all this, of course…and definitely someone we should be listening to on this matter.

    Good god you’re pathetic.

    Fine — it’s not happening. Or it’s not a crisis…or can’t be solved…or whatever the latest claim is. Whatever makes you happy. Just please stop embarrassing yourself any further. Go read more of what conservative, fossil fuel funded think tanks tell you. This way you can feel special in your “skepticism.” Be well.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances
    Did I mention reaction videos?

    Here’s another two from Twitter:

    - People using the form “x: bla blah blah ; y: hold my beer”

    - people ending their posts with “That’s it. That’s the post.”

    Ughh…it’s so stupid and conformist it makes me hostile. Who does this stuff?

    I need to stop even skimming Twitter anymore.
  • Climate change denial


    No, that’s not a red herring, that’s completely relevant and important when talking about climate change and climate projections.

    When talking about the statement “The Republican Party is the most dangerous organization in history,” citing things the party did in the 1870s are irrelevant and a red herring. Because we’re not talking about the Republican Party from the 1870s. We’re talking about the current party.

    If you can’t keep up with the conversation, better to just stifle yourself.
  • Climate change denial
    The World Bank Group delivered a record $31.7 billion in fiscal year 2022 to help countries address climate change.Agree-to-Disagree

    Most of which goes towards adaptation and resiliency. How nefarious!

    The New York Times says that the US “took a major step toward fighting climate change” on Friday when the House of Representatives approved a $2.2 TRILLION spending bill that “includes the largest expenditures ever made by the federal government to slow global warming”.Agree-to-Disagree

    Except this was from two years ago. And, incidentally, DIDN’T PASS. Would have been great if it did— it would have invested nearly $600 million in climate solutions, over 10 years, which is far less than is needed but still something.

    But— again — it didn’t pass. So once again you’re just making engaging in your topical buffoonery.
  • Climate change denial
    So what sort of "science" is produced by scientists who are funded by "Big Climate"?Agree-to-Disagree

    :rofl:
  • Climate change denial
    World history is always relevant to today's worldMerkwurdichliebe

    It’s not relevant here— at all. Red herring.

    Are republicans the only ones accelerating it?Merkwurdichliebe

    Of the two major political parties, they want to accelerate it. Which is why they’re the most dangerous organization in history. Unless of course there’s some organization I missed that explicitly states they want to push for more usage of nuclear weapons.

    any reasons it could be denied that it is the end of the world,Merkwurdichliebe

    I never once made that statement. Strawman.

    any reasonable scientific argument will prevail in due time.Merkwurdichliebe

    It already has. That time is long over. We’re in the process of implementing measures to adapt to it and hopefully slow it/stop it. Sorry that you’re still stuck in the past — but that’s not my business.

    I object to the evidence because it appears unconvincing,Merkwurdichliebe

    You haven’t once mentioned the evidence.

    The evidence is overwhelming. For one “not to be convinced” requires real effort.

    Don’t try to frame this as if your conclusion isn’t foregone. No one is buying that. And no one buys that you have a clue about the evidence— which is undeniable if one actually takes a look.

    What you’ve done is chosen to listen to political commentators and the manufactured doubt of the industry (which is well documented). I’ve encountered plenty like this. Dime a dozen.
  • Walking & Thinking
    My personal assistant (ChatGPT) should actually be thanked for all the thinking and elaboration. :snicker:praxis

    Well damn you for that!

    Just kidding. If that was really ChatGBT that’s pretty cool. Fooled me.
  • Climate change denial
    Republicans, for all their faults, were instrumental in the passage of the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. I don't know about you, but I think that was pretty nice on their part, and it definitely counterbalances any negativity one might perceive from their policy on climate change.Merkwurdichliebe

    Apparently it’s not clear to you that I’m talking about the today’s world— not the 1870s.

    Republicans are a far cry from being anything like these,Merkwurdichliebe

    Nazism was still localized. Climate change isn’t. Republicans want to accelerate it.

    Again— those who can’t ackowledge the truth of this rather obvious point are those who don’t believe climate change is much of a problem to begin with.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    My intention is not to support Trump, just to "flex" and act as an internet troll.javi2541997

    You are allowed to insult mejavi2541997

    Hey you’re the one calling yourself a troll. I just happen to think you’re correct.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I believe them over the ramblings of an internet dude. Especially when the “evidence” is so easily reduced to the crap it is.

    But it’s fun to watch you pick and choose when it’s convenient. Kinda like Trump and polls: when they show him ahead, they’re accurate. If not, rigged.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Also forgotten: in the US 2020 election, there was split voting. In Maine, for example, Biden won the presidency— while Susan Collins, a republican, was re-elected in the senate.

    There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. It’s so minuscule it’s barely worth mentioning.

    All that’s left is the feelings of those who actually listen to Trump’s insane ramblings. “Oh look, more mail in votes went for Biden— isn’t THAT fishy?”

    It’d be even funnier if it weren’t so damn pathetic.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Amazing! And thank you for showing your evidences and proofs.javi2541997

    Lol.

    It’s amazing people can be such complete dupes.
  • Climate change denial
    Chomsky says it best:

    Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?

    Not that I’m aware of. Is the Republican organisation - I hesitate to call it a party - committed to that? Overwhelmingly. There isn’t even any question about it.

    […]

    We’re going to maximise the use of fossil fuels - could carry us past the tipping point. We’re not going to provide funding for - as committed in Paris, to developing countries that are trying to do something about the climate problems. We’re going to dismantle regulations that retard the impact, the devastating impact, of production of carbon dioxide and, in fact, other dangerous gases - methane, others.

    Not hard to see. Unless of course you deny what scientists are telling us because they’re bought off… or part of an elaborate conspiracy…or pushing an “official narrative” (like reading thermometers).

    But aside from that kind of idiocy, it’s easy to acknowledge.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Watching Trump cultists try desperately to prove the election was stolen is very entertaining. And cringe-y.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    But at the time of the pause 78% of the total vote had been counted already in Pennsylvania, meaning over half the mail in ballots had already been counted and the counting up to the moment of the pause had revealed no sudden shifts either way.yebiga

    The mail in ballots were breaking for Biden the entire time. It was more pronounced at the end, since they were the only ones remaining. It was also required that they not be counted until Election Day, so were bound to be slower.

    The odds of this happening in one state is akin to winning the lottery - so it's possible.
    For this to occur in 4 states is like winning the lottery four weeks in a row with the same numbers.
    yebiga

    Why are you making things up?

    This was talked about and predicted months in advance: it would take longer to count the mail ballots. They would be overwhelmingly Democratic— but that’s Trump’s fault. He was telling his supporters to vote in person.

    So the odds of WHAT happening, exactly? The most obvious thing in the world? That’s hardly like winning the lottery.
  • Walking & Thinking


    Wow— very well thought out and elaborate. Thanks Praxis!



    Definitely. I try to walk every day. The best thoughts come in the forest though. And I don’t always have access to it.
  • Climate change denial
    That's over the top.Merkwurdichliebe

    No, it isn’t.
  • Climate change denial
    DeSantis just laid out HIS solutions to global warming:

    In a lengthy, six-pronged policy outline, Mr. DeSantis promised to remove subsidies for electric vehicles, take the U.S. out of global climate agreements — including the Paris accords — and cancel net-zero emission promises. He also vowed to increase American oil and natural gas production and “replace the phrase climate change with energy dominance” in policy guidance.

    This is why Republicans are the most dangerous party in history.

    Let’s not only do nothing about climate change — let’s cancel any effort to do so, make the problem even worse, and remove all reference to it.

    Sick, insane people.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/us/politics/desantis-climate-energy-biden.html
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump says for years he won’t accept the results of an election unless he wins.

    He loses fair and square.

    Then — surprise — refuses to accept the outcome and tries to literally overturn the election. The justification is irrelevant — it could have been anything. Maybe aliens came down from the moon and rigged the numbers. Of course there’s no evidence for any of it. A child could understand this.

    Of course these crazy ramblings and predictable excuses for being a loser had their time in court (laughably), and of course 60+ were thrown out by Republican and Democrat appointed judges.

    That brings us to today, where Trump is being held accountable. Turns out you can’t overturn the results just because they hurt your ego.

    Maybe one day we’ll get to the bottom of the Moon People stealing the election though. Who knows. :roll:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Yawn. Trump is a criminal and tried to overthrow an election. May he drop dead soon.

    Fun to watch his few sycophants here playing three card monty with the truth.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    For example, what's the origin of the internet?ssu

    Came out of defense department research. Government funded— As were most computer technologies. Which can then be said to be the product of “entrepreneurs” like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Complete mythology and hero worship.

    With a sector that isn't dominated by large companies you find less unions.ssu

    Less need for unions at a mom and pop store. But no one is talking about small businesses. They’re not the issue. Why you want to make them the issue is a mystery.
  • Climate change denial
    Conspiracy theorists will believe anything except the one conspiracy that is actually happening - that the fossil fuel industry has been lying about knowingly killing us all for half a century, & our governments are still funding them to the tune of $13,000,000 every minute.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances
    Oh I see what happened. Didn’t mean to tag you @Amity. Corrected.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances


    Just being silly. Thought it was obvious— perhaps it wasn’t.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances



    Try and get along guys. No need to loose the plot.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)


    Notice you had to go back 100+ years ago.
  • Coronavirus


    People get “cramped” about having to hear nonsense being repeated over and over again.

    You and your two buddies are just ignorant and irritating. But by all means make up an elaborate story about it — because it can’t be as simple as that.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances
    It's not nearly as intense, however, as using 'I' as object of a preposition.Vera Mont

    Agreed. This is very irritating for you and I.



    :clap:
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    a new industry is created by inventors and entrepreneurs in garagesssu

    Do people still believe this nonsense? Good god.
  • Climate change denial


    It didn’t originate with Marcuse. You made that up. Which proves my point about denialist imbeciles.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    But the work of building workers’ organization and power stays the same. By now, we should all have learned that a toothless “order to bargain” with no penalties results in no union contract unless and until the workers create a crisis for their employer. Expecting lawyers, rules, legal decisions, or another thumbs-up from the legal system will undo grotesque inequality by restoring high unionization rates and then family-supporting wages under union contracts is like hoping that a congressional inquiry—or a prosecutor—will stop Trump and the movement he’s created. One thing and one thing only has the ability to force employers to share their wealth, and that is when workers have built the power to be able to create a crisis so great that an employer cannot continue what they’re doing, and have no choice but to surrender power and money.