• Time Dilation and Subjectivity
    Consider:
    Suppose I could somehow observe their inner mental activity directly.RogueAI
    Such an observation would be mediated by a signal from observed to observer. That signal is either subject to the Lorentz transformation, in which case the time dilation takes effect, or it isn't, in which case there is an absolute frame of reference.

    So 's hypothesis does assume an absolute reference frame in presuming frame-independent access to temporal structure. It adopts a privileged temporal standpoint.
  • Direct realism about perception
    Michael has used a bit of rhetoric to put those opposed to indirect perception on the back foot. They feel obliged to defend "direct" realism.

    What one sees is the apple with a ten-second delay. What one does not see is some mental representation of the apple as it was ten seconds ago.
  • Time Dilation and Subjectivity
    If someone were traveling close to the speed of light relative to me...RogueAI
    From their frame of reference it's you who is traveling close to the speed of light. Are your thought processes slowed in respect to the movement of your body?

    What your thought experiment shows is a misunderstanding of the issue. You continue to suppose some frame of reference that is stationary in an absolute sense.
  • Unfalsifiability, valuation and "warranting belief"


    Falsification was first developed by Karl Popper in the 1930s. Popper noticed that two types of statements are of particular value to scientists. The first are statements of observations, such as 'this is a white swan'. Logicians call these statements singular existential statements, since they assert the existence of some particular thing. They can be parsed in the form: there is an x which is a swan and is white.

    The second type of statement of interest to scientists categorizes all instances of something, for example 'all swans are white'. Logicians call these statements universal. They are usually parsed in the form for all x, if x is a swan then x is white.

    Scientific laws are commonly supposed to be of this form. Perhaps the most difficult question in the methodology of science is: how does one move from observations to laws? How can one validly infer a universal statement from any number of existential statements?

    Inductivist methodology supposed that one can somehow move from a series of singular existential statements to a universal statement. That is, that one can move from ‘this is a white swan', “that is a white swan”, and so on, to a universal statement such as 'all swans are white'. This method is clearly logically invalid, since it is always possible that there may be a non-white swan that has somehow avoided observation. Yet some philosophers of science claim that science is based on such an inductive method.

    Popper held that science could not be grounded on such an invalid inference. He proposed falsification as a solution to the problem of induction. Popper noticed that although a singular existential statement such as 'there is a white swan' cannot be used to affirm a universal statement, it can be used to show that one is false: the singular existential statement 'there is a black swan' serves to show that the universal statement 'all swans are white' is false, by modus tollens. 'There is a black swan' implies 'there is a non-white swan' which in turn implies 'there is something which is a swan and which is not white'.

    Although the logic of naïve falsification is valid, it is rather limited. Popper drew attention to these limitations in The Logic of Scientific Discovery, in response to anticipated criticism from Duhem and Carnap. W. V. Quine is also well-known for his observation in his influential essay, "Two Dogmas of Empiricism" (which is reprinted in From a Logical Point of View), that nearly any statement can be made to fit with the data, so long as one makes the requisite "compensatory adjustments." In order to falsify a universal, one must find a true falsifying singular statement. But Popper pointed out that it is always possible to change the universal statement or the existential statement so that falsification does not occur. On hearing that a black swan has been observed in Australia, one might introduce ad hoc hypothesis, 'all swans are white except those found in Australia'; or one might adopt a skeptical attitude towards the observer, 'Australian ornithologists are incompetent'. As Popper put it, a decision is required on the part of the scientist to accept or reject the statements that go to make up a theory or that might falsify it. At some point, the weight of the ad hoc hypotheses and disregarded falsifying observations will become so great that it becomes unreasonable to support the theory any longer, and a decision will be made to reject it.

    In place of naïve falsification, Popper envisioned science as evolving by the successive rejection of falsified theories,rather than falsified statements. Falsified theories are replaced by theories of greater explanatory power. Aristotelian mechanics explained observations of objects in everyday situations, but was falsified by Galileo’s experiments, and replaced by Newtonian mechanics. Newtonian mechanics extended the reach of the theory to the movement of the planets and the mechanics of gasses, but in its turn was falsified by the Michelson-Morley experiment and replaced by special relativity. At each stage, a new theory was accepted that had greater explanatory power, and as a result provided greater opportunity for its own falsification.

    Naïve falsificationism is an unsuccessful attempt to proscribe a rationally unavoidable method for science. Falsificationism proper on the other hand is a prescription of a way in which scientists ought to behave as a matter of choice. Both can be seen as attempts to show that science has a special status because of the method that it employs.
    Banno

    Summary: falsification applies to universal sentences, such as ∀(x)(fx⊃gx). For an open domain, no amount for evidence can show that everything that is f is also g. But a single example of an f that is not g can serve to falsify it. Hence, falsificaton serves to show which universals are false, but not which are true.

    Universal sentences cannot be shown to be true in an open domain. If the universal sentence is also for some reason unfalsifiable then it cannot be shown to be either true or false.

    Caveats:
    • The claim only works if restricted to synthetic empirical universals in open domains.
    • Shown to be true/false here means being empirically demonstrated.
    This is basic, naive fallibilism at it's core. All sorts of complications and complexities follow. But understanding the logic of falsification is central to following argument concerning scientific method.
  • Cosmos Created Mind


    :grin:

    No one will get that reference.
  • Australian politics
    Does anyone care whether the right whingers vote for The National Party or One Nation?

    And this. Hanson has made herself a movie.

    :meh:
  • A new home for TPF
    @Jamal, so how goes it?
  • Direct realism about perception
    You never taste oysters as they are in themselves; your only taste of them is mediated by your tongue...

    :meh:
  • Direct realism about perception
    Don't look at the sun directly, kids. It's bad for you. Use a pinhole camera, or a properly filtered telescope.

    :meh:
  • Unfalsifiability, valuation and "warranting belief"
    Nuh. Swans are black. The white ones are foreigners.
  • Direct realism about perception
    The Sun is not what we see when we look at the sun.AmadeusD

    :meh:
  • Infinity
    Oh, frank. Ok.
  • Infinity
    And yet they are countable. Look it up.
  • Infinity
    Neither set is countablefrank
    The natural numbers are countable.

    The natural numbers are also a proper subset of the rationals, but they're the same size.Srap Tasmaner
    As is, there is a bijection between them.
  • Australian politics
    Andrew Hastie and Angus Taylor show how much the Liberal party have learned from their trouncing at the last Fed election by setting aside personal ambition for the good of the party and the nation...
  • Infinity
    But Cantor showed that there is a way to force them through a chute so that you can count them one-at-a-time. It's interesting that it turns out you cannot do this with the real numbers.Srap Tasmaner
    Interesting metaphor. Does that make the real numbers like a tube of sausage mince? :chin:

    Cheers. Interesting chat.
  • Australian politics
    Any chance of Sussan Ley still being Liberal leader in a week?
  • Infinity
    OK. It depends on what you are doing. I was thinking of the point of origin on a graph, but that's not quite the same as counting numbers.Ludwig V
    I think this is important - see how what we are up to changes what number system we are using?
  • Infinity
    I think many people believe that if something is referred to, it counts as an object.Ludwig V
    Herein lies much confusion, that can be sorted by looking at quantification.

    Again, it hadn't occurred to me that this would be problematic. It's quite legitimate to move from "7 > 5" to "Something is greater than five", or "There is a thing greater than five". That doesn't commit us to bumping in to fives and sevens along with chairs and tables. Quantification tells us what a grammar ranges over, not what exists as a spatiotemporal object. The confusion here is between differing language games; to think that "object" only means tables and chairs and not 7 or fully incorporated companies.

    Being an object is a role in a language game, not an ontological status.

    Failing to recognise this is what sits behind the confusion of calling things "platonism" hereabouts.
  • Infinity
    Numerals get their identity from roles in activities, not from reference to entities.
    — Banno
    You are not wrong. But now we are getting into trouble with the difference between numerals and numbers. I have a feeling, however, that we may need numbers in order to identify correspondences between numeral systems and perhaps even number systems with different bases.
    Ludwig V

    Again...

    Well, what I was pointing to is the difference between a numeral and a number is in the use to which it is put; one counts with numbers, not numerals. "Numerals get their identity from roles in activities, not from reference to entities" is intended to point this out. The difference between numerals and numbers is not ontological, it is grammatical.
  • Infinity
    But don't we also need 0, as the starting-point?Ludwig V
    Again, it hadn't occurred to me that this wasn't obvious... do we want natural numbers or counting numbers? It's not needed, as such, unless you have nothing in your pocket.

    That is, which game are you playing?
  • Infinity
    I don't have a problem about the timeless present in the case of constitutive norms. But in relation to procedures, I do. For the obvious reason, that a procedure takes place in time.Ludwig V
    I was using "procedure" as a generalisation of "function". Where a function will have exactly one result for each input, a procedure need not. I hadn't considered that someone would suppose that logical procedures are somehow temporal. I find that idea quite odd.
  • Infinity
    :wink:
  • Infinity
    You'll find that you can't.frank
    Why not? I have nothing in my pocket, therefore I have nothing. :meh:
  • Infinity
    I've just been observing the different stances people are taking.frank
    Yes, you read these threads as people and their interactions rathe than as about ideas.
  • Infinity
    A no to what? Set your account out. Say something. Do the work.
  • Direct realism about perception
    , maybe. But hang on. We do look at a thermometer to see if it is cold. How then is it that thermometers do not measure cold? There's an equivocation here that allows thermometers to both measure and not measure cold.
  • Infinity
    Ok. I don't object to that. I doubt you can do the same thing for ZFC, though. So are you now suspicious that ZFC might be bullshit?frank
    :roll:
  • Infinity
    :grin: Enough with your suggestions; say something.

    We've shown how quantification can be handled without invoking abstract objects at all — it’s rule-based, normatively grounded, and socially coordinated.
  • Infinity
    An object in your mind is called a mental object. An object in your hand is a physical object. An abstract object is something that isn't physical, but it's not simply mental either.frank
    :meh: What of quantification?
  • Infinity
    Perhaps you misunderstood...? Yep, we've moved on to address some of the shortages in structuralism, that it is overly formal, doesn’t explain how humans come to understand or manipulate numbers, what it might be to get a mathematical answer right and how we can still have objects in a structural framework...
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    This is at the core of the problems with US politics.Christoffer
    The elected King? Yes.
  • Infinity
    Here's me thinking you were following along...
    • Benacerraf’s identification problem
    • Gödel’s incompleteness theorems shows that set theory cannot fully capture all mathematical truths
    • Category theory, topology, homotopy type theory don’t naturally live in the set-theoretic universe
    There aren't a lot of experts in phil of mathfrank
    Compare and contrast... https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/5030?aos=47 ...note change in AOS.

    We could go in to a discussion about whether the view expressed here is structuralism or constructivism, if you like. But none is a majority opinion, even amongst those who study in the area.
  • Infinity
    You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.frank
    That's permitted, under the rules...
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    In a Westminster system there is effectively another power, the public service. once an independent organ charged with administering policy, they owed allegiance only to other bureaucrats. Of courser this had it's own problems, but being neither elected nor appointed by the president, they were mostly autonomous.

    Not so now.
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    The US needs an electoral commission. But to do that it would need a public service that is not appointed by the president.