:chin:

I'm particularly fascinated by how dogs became a mascot for Cynicism.

Dogs are, as per Cynics (dogs)

1. Indifferent to customs, norms, laws (shit & pee anywhere, eat anything, sex in the open, and so on)

2. Discerning (can instantly tell friend from foe, a skill that's vital to survival)

That's all I can recall. Damn, I just read the Wiki page what? about 5 minutes ago.

He was highly critical of Plato and his ways (abstractions). I'm most intrigued by how Plato responded by calling Diogenes "Socrates gone mad!" :chin: I like this format. So, is Nicolai A. Vasiliev (paraconsistent logic) Aristotle/Gottlob Frege (classical logic) gone mad? It's a novel way to look at philosophy and philosophers!

:grin:

Hemispatial Neglect.

Diogenes Paradox:

If you neglect one side of your body, you have (contralateral) brain damage!

If you neglect both sides of your body à la Diogenes, your brain is perfectly fine! You're in fact considered a sage.

:chin:

It's full of stars!!! — JWST

Olber's Paradox

I thought an astronaut was like a doctor or engineer - requiring many thousands of hours of training before they ever step foot in a real spaceship. This space hotel idea is like going out into the streets, picking someone at random, and asking him to do a kidney transplant! WTFery!

Diogenes was a real example of a "hermit" and not those fake religious fans who only act for businesses and private concerns — javi2541997

Correctamundo!

A piece of advice a monk gave me: Fake it till ya make it!

I'm a worthless abused dog — Wittgenstein

Diogenes

Diogenes made a virtue of poverty. He begged for a living and often slept in a large ceramic jar, or pithos, in the marketplace.[5] He became notorious for his philosophical stunts, such as carrying a lamp during the day, claiming to be looking for a man (often rendered in English as "looking for an honest man"). — Wikipedia

But only if you were serious.

Well, it looks as though the matter is complicated

1. He has good judgment

2. Don't be so judgmental!

This just crossed my mind. Maybe our poor performance vis-à-vis judgment (violating the proportio divina rule) isn't a bug but a feature. We must, in a sense, keep ourselves in the dark about our and others' true nature. If not we may all be a suicide risk! How bad does one have to be to not wanna live anymore (guilt is a known suicide inducer)? :chin:

We are,

1. By degree, rational animals (h. sapiens)
2. By type, suiciders (h. suicidus)

exceptions — 180 Proof

Wild cards! Spanner in the works!

Hello, hello, 911, I'd like to report a suspicious looking person near my house.

Or a misunderstanding of causal relations... — Possibility

:ok:

The experience of 'madness' may lead to many philosophy problems. Certain perspectives may viewed as 'realism', whereas others may he assigned to the lesser emphasis on mythic or narrative aspects of understanding. It is a grey area, especially as ideas about 'madness' and 'normality' may 6detrimental, especially in the conception of 'truth'. — Jack Cummins

We're all a little mad is what I wanted to get across to you. Perhaps a better way of putting it would be we're all insane in our own way. Each one of us is unique, oui? Then we're all crazy, by definition. Another way of coming at the issue would be that we all want to be in patient in a loony bin! We just don't realize that's what we want!

Without errors (in judgment)[/i], some of us would not learn / create anything new (beneficial or not) to drive onward – ratchet-up – the rest of our hidebound herd. — 180 Proof

Cool!

The task may be to try to see beyond delusion, which may involve greater awareness of the processes of evaluating information, as a path towards a certain amount of critical awareness — Jack Cummins

More awareness? Zen folk might wanna have a word with you (mushin no shin aka mind without mind). Try that on for size! The choices, Jack, are

1. Madness

or

2. Madness

Enjoy!

Indeed. And flawed too, right? — Tom Storm

@Wayfarer

Is everything broken? :cry:

Toys...Broken Toys

Someone who is not carrying out the task themselves, but relying on someone else, is unable to control how this person distributes their effort and attention over time. When more of our own attention and effort is allocated to a task, we expect it to happen sooner. Patience in this instance is recognising that allocating more of our own effort or attention to someone else’s task has no bearing on the time it takes them. It’s about their attention and their effort - which we detract from the task at hand when we ask: ‘Are we there yet?’ ‘What’s taking so long?’ — Possibility

Yeah, a gap in the causal chain!

True, what you say. I still don't know how to tell these (mass hysteria/folie à plusieurs & objectivity) apart. If I'm mad then it's not ok; if everyone's mad, it's ok! Religions are deliberately bracketed out of the definition for delusions. Go figure!

I don't know what else to say Jack.

This is a perspective/style I've seen before and methinks it's one of those stages (think multi-stage rockets) in our philosophical lives that we attain sooner or later. I, however, am not there yet. It's truly encouraging to see someone so at home as yourself in that level. I too will, if my luck doesn't give out and I don't slack off, find myself where you're at. Wish me luck!

I have an idea, thanks to you. I'll try and first understand the question!

: Don't tell Hillary this as I think I can probably get a lifetime subscription out of him for the SCIgodians. I would normally only reveal this to my most trusted upper circle of the SCIgodian leadership structure but SCI has nothing to do with the word science.
It actually stands for Simple Con Idea! :lol: — universeness

Oop! :blush:

Dear AS, maybe it's better to stick to your lemonade! :lol: — Hillary

:lol: Sound advice!

Great post! Danke.

The Mind-Body Gap

According to our bodies, we're ~35k years old (Cro-Magnons)

According to our minds, we're way older than that!

Species IQ, the old fashioned way $\frac{Mental \space Age}{Physical \space Age} \times 100$

The body is the prison of the soul. — Socrates

Our minds can think of things that are physically impossible as of now. That's a mixed blessing (uplifting & disappointing).

I am feeling a bit better, but the problem of human error is still one which remains. I am not suggesting that many aspects of the human limitations of judgments are not ones to be tackled philosophically. It may be that the elimination of error and bias is the most which human beings can strive towards. Clarity of thought and aspects of objective approaches in evaluating information may be of utmost importance in the best possible attempts at careful judgments. — Jack Cummins

But one thing these images have in common is that they're all what's called diffraction limited and that means they can't get any sharper because of the effects of light diffracting off of the telescope hardware and the internal optics of the instrument. So really these images are as sharp and as best focused as the laws of physics and optics will allow. — Christian Ready

We're on the same page Jack.

I see. My post was meant as a general comment on the OP's main point (patience). I thought it might be of some use to you in your quest; sometimes clues pop up in random and unexpected places, monsieur! Perhaps this isn't one of those times. Apologies.

Regarding the OP, let me see if I can make a contribution, I'd say patience, its definition, has a clear (enough) temporal specification viz. waiting which is synonymous with prolongation of duration.

You want to take that conventional meaning and turn it on its head as it were. This is a very common tactic employed by sages, its a trademark of Lao Tzu (Taoism): THIS IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE! I hope that was helpful in some way.

SCIgod — universeness

The Holy Trinity (science)

1. Mathematics
2. Rationality
3. Experiment

Think of the economy as an airplane. There's the autopilot and a manual override. Then there are self-driving cars. We need to breathe life into the economy, literally that is, for in my experience living organisms are self-regulatory (homeostasis). I recommend an equivalent of a thermostat as found in an AC.

Time will tell. — Bitter Crank

Time always does!

:up:

Transcendentalia

1. Verum (Truth/Satyam)
2. Bonum (Good/Shivam)
3. Pulchrum (Beauty/Sundaram)

We're all, men & women, in search of the ideal mate: a looker, good, and truthful (faithful?).

We all want to tie the knot as it were. Monogamy as a subtext.

Whaddaya know, Freud hit the bullseye (eros/libido)!

It's all about the two backed beast! There's sex and there's Tantric Sex!

cyanide — Hanover

Choking...chemically! :fear:

But not the best part. Though fresh lemonata with crushed ice and pure honey or ahorn syrup is pretty good. Limoncello after it, and some pure high quality opium as dessert... — Hillary

I need to get out more.

A western philosophical koan: A sufficient reason for 'the Principle of Sufficiebt Reason' is missing. — 180 Proof

Oh! Now I get it! :up:

WTF is Hillary Tingle? — Hillary

Seek and ye shall find! :joke:

Ok but I don't wanna go into too much detail. I easily miss the wood for the trees. Thanks though.

Mind control is a Skinnerian myth. — Joshs

Not as simple as you might think. — Joshs

They’re truisms because they come by their ‘truth’ by not saying anything new. Better, pleasure and desire mean the same thing and that is why it is ‘true’ to say that pleasure is better than pain. It is a truism just like ‘Better means better’ is a truism. — Joshs

I beg to differ; there are some like me who don't, well, get it in a manner of speaking. The word "obvious" doesn't make sense to me at all. Daniel Dennett has more to say on the matter.

paranoia — Hillary

You mean your Peter Hillary Tingle!

I would guess for most people, one or two names or subfields of psychology resonate the most. Just have to locate your favored subfields/names. — ZzzoneiroCosm

:up:

In the US, Kindle has a psychology textbook for free. It's long but it's an easy read. Covers the basics. There really isn't a crash course as it's a sprawling, ever-expanding field.

For behavior analysis - connected to Skinner's behaviorism; proven to be successful in the field with problem behaviors of all kinds, especially those rooted in autism - probably the wiki has most of the basic concepts. — ZzzoneiroCosm

Great! I was hoping for a psychology for dummies kinda respectable tome :smile: . I guess I'll have to do it the hard way then.

THERE IS NO WHY — 180 Proof

This, mon ami, is to me a Zen koan that's been vexing me for a long time. I haven't the slightest clue how to process it. Danke for the rude awakening! :grin:

Pleasure and pain :: Carrot (Reward) and Stick (Punishment)

Tools of manipulation? :chin:

Who in his right mind would endorse hedonism?

Either you're manipulated or you're manipulating.

Both not exactly things one would want.

Tertium quid?

That's the best philosophy I have encountered! — Hillary

I know right? Talk is cheap though! Translating words into deeds, that's the hard part. Too bad, just when I was beginning to feel better! Oh well, sic vita est!