My argument against antinatalists -- you're still here, so you think Life is worth living. The end. Just a bunch a weak individuals who don't want to hold themselves accountable for their life sucking. — Vaskane
It's about "whaa my parents had no right to give birth to me." Well, they did, get over it. — Vaskane
And they drone on and on about how shitty life is, fact is they're just cowards who actually can't embrace nothing, once they've already tasted life. They want life to end AFTER theirs runs to completion. Like a Last Man. Pathetically dissonant. — Vaskane
Except that's literally the argument here. — Vaskane
If you want the end of the human race, by all means, put your money where your mouth is and lead by example. — Vaskane
It can, but equating them as the same would obviously be a fallacy of equivocation. — Vaskane
I wonder if you can think of something interesting to say without taking either my words or Nietzsche's out of context.I'm sure you can think of greater virtues than Sleep. — Vaskane
And therefore we have metaphysics in order not to despair at the real.
I've neither claimed or implied otherwise. Obviously, as an existential fact, suffering is not avoidable; morally, however, suffering is a reducible exigency, the reason, in fact, for flourishing (i.e. overcoming) by non-reciprocally – non-instrumentally – helping others to reduce, not "avoid", suffering. Of "all great things", human flourishing comes first and last, otherwise the rest (including "great things") are merely decadent detritus. Easy sleep is not proposed by me as a "virtue" but as the daily reward for and restorative of strivings to flourish – even as a measure of good health: eine Ja-sagen zu Leiben. :fire:... suffering is the crucible in which all great things are born, through overcoming that suffering. Not by avoiding it. — Vaskane
Its the same, I'd say, for every person who considers themselves 'moral' or having fulfilled their moral duties as proven by some 'justification' so that they can take a break to 'live life' as they so desire it (most every person including you and me). Its an ad hoc excuse being masked in rational language to seem more palatable and less emotionally weak as it really is. At least, I speculate as much.A person can also not want to reproduce without being an Antinatalist, and for several reasons. I find antinatalist as people who want to deflect from reasons why they can't actually have kids because it would bring THEM more suffering. They don't want to hold themselves accountable for how they feel. So they say it's immoral instead. — Vaskane
Easy sleep — 180 Proof
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