To give an example, if you thought somebody had stolen your money, you'd probably be mad, because anger is the feeling which responds to perceived attacks on things that you care about. There are 2 ways to consciously change an emotion: 1. change your perception of the event (in this case, that would mean realizing that you had lost the money and that nobody had stolen it) 2. change your values (convince yourself that you don't care about the money). — Brendan Golledge
it means that I care more about the feeling of discomfort in my gut than I do the people that I am being grumpy with — Brendan Golledge
Being able to type an Ü is, of course, an uberpower.I am the Ubermensch — Brendan Golledge
Does it? How do you prove that the lack of nutrients is not something that involuntarily changes your mood by affecting your brain chemistry? — Lionino
You might have demonstrated how you have a higher level of consciousness than others, but what about generating your values in an objective way? You talk about changing values, but for what goal are you changing values? — Lionino
↪Brendan Golledge Congratulations on getting there. But I have to say that there doesn't seem to be much benefit in being an Ubermensch if your account is definitive. Can you explain what the benefits might be? — Tom Storm
Being able to type an Ü is, of course, an uberpower. — baker
I think deism is likely true, due to first-mover arguments. — Brendan Golledge
If many people could be convinced of these moral frameworks, then they could build a community around that. — Brendan Golledge
So, I believe that everything that positively exists is pleasing to God, and I try to see it. — Brendan Golledge
I just believe it's a lot more than what most people have done, and I am lonely and disappointed that I have no one to share it with. You are right that there are no immediate material benefits from this. Humans are social creatures and do all of their great accomplishments in groups. If I can't convince other people of what I'm interested in, then I still have only my own 2 hands to work with, no matter what vision I have in my head. — Brendan Golledge
You seem to know an awful lot about an anonymous deistic god who fucked off and has no contact with people. Where does this come from? How did you rule out that this creator isn't evil (in human terms) a monstrous being who made a world that seems to produce suffering and hatred? — Tom Storm
--> My views on God come from looking at nature first, and inferring God from that. It seems reasonable that if there were a being who was perfectly knowledgeable and powerful, he would get it right the first time.Right now I think that if God were truly omnipotent and omniscient, then he made the universe exactly how he likes it, and that the universe does not need further tinkering. — Brendan Golledge
--> yes, it's possible that things that seem good to God do not seem good to us.And as living beings who care about our own survival, our immediate sense of good and bad is necessarily different than God's. — Brendan Golledge
Even if there were a creator being, you also have no way of knowing what this being's relationship to morality is. Is this being the foundation of morality, or does this being reside separately to morality? We simply can't say. — Tom Storm
I notice that you didn't mention anything in my post at all until I got to God. I wonder if you are just caught up on the word "God" instead of the actual content of what I'm saying. — Brendan Golledge
I answered this in my original post:
Right now I think that if God were truly omnipotent and omniscient, then he made the universe exactly how he likes it, and that the universe does not need further tinkering. — Brendan Golledge
But it is frustrating to me that most secular people do not take morals as seriously as Christians do. — Brendan Golledge
Christianity is the religion most concerned with the heart. — Brendan Golledge
A creator God, as-such, seems to innately require omnipotence (there are also other arguments for this too), so I don't how claiming that God is omnipotent is an arbitrary claim. — Brendan Golledge
So, looking at nature ought to be a good way of inferring the nature of God. — Brendan Golledge
So, I share with the Christians their concern for proper orientation of the heart, and share with secular people a great respect for science. — Brendan Golledge
I think the main point of the Ubermensch is to be able to generate one's own values — Brendan Golledge
I do not share with Christians faith that any particular text or teaching was directly inspired by God. — Brendan Golledge
You express statements which are just claims - to be an ubermensch I think you may need to do some purging of such romantic claims as:
Christianity is the religion most concerned with the heart.
— Brendan Golledge — Tom Storm
So, looking at nature ought to be a good way of inferring the nature of God.
— Brendan Golledge
That's just a claim. But if I did this I would infer from nature that the god who made it is an evil and cruel monster. Imagine creating an entire ecosystem where the suffering and death of most animals and insects is built into the model. — Tom Storm
The fact that anything exists at all is proof that something exists which we can't understand. It might very well be God. — Brendan Golledge
I have for several years been in the habit of consciously and deliberately changing my emotional state by this method. This is a large part of what convinces me that I have a higher level of consciousness than most people. Most people do not realize that their emotions are under conscious control. But I don't just choose what I do; I chose what I want to do. — Brendan Golledge
I am aware that evolution works by killing off the majority of life that is not most highly adapted. — Brendan Golledge
It is mostly Christians who are concerned with "Do I envy?" "Am I lusting after my neighbor's wife?" for their own sake, rather than as a part of an external moral system. — Brendan Golledge
From arguments such as these (many of which I worked out as an atheist), I realized that Christianity already said many of the things that I came up with by myself. — Brendan Golledge
I think you have to choose one of these 3 options:
1. There is an ultimate beginning
2. Existence is infinitely old with no beginning
3. The causality of existence is circular (like maybe somebody will go back in a time machine to create the big bang) — Brendan Golledge
They are speculation that I find interesting and meaningful, but they are in the end, speculation. — Brendan Golledge
It seems worth questioning that last sentence. Why might it very well be God? — wonderer1
No. Islam does this. Sikhs too. Bahai. Parsi, Jews. How many other religions do you know well? — Tom Storm
That your definition of the Ubermensch doesn't even match Nietzsche's. — Vaskane
I am aware that evolution works by killing off the majority of life that is not most highly adapted.
— Brendan Golledge
No, that's not my argument. I said nothing about evolution. I said that god/s built a creation largely dependent upon cruelty and predation. — Tom Storm
So, there could be 1 million Ubermensch already, but we wouldn't know because they'd be minding their own business? — Brendan Golledge
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