No, I would not agree because I would not trust the technology to not have a bug which might lead to a nightmarish experience. — Art48
None at all, save that the world as you know it now is probably not arranged in a way that you would have likely chosen in the simulation.In this case, I have a question: if I picked “could forget,” would there be any discernible difference between my experience of the world now, and my experience after the procedure? — Art48
f I could not distinguish the two types of experience, then maybe I’d accept the procedure because, for all I know, I might currently be in a simulation, and so I would merely be trading one simulation for another, more enjoyable simulation. — Art48
A "fully-immersive simulation" prosthesis (with no off-switch / exit) = a lobotomy plus continuous 24/7 morphine drip. — 180 Proof
Offered an alternative of my choice, I'd certainly opt for my version of Utopia. But I would still like to remember everyone and everything I liked about this life. — Vera Mont
The truth is I exist both before and after I stick my head into a permanent brain prosthetic. The only "lie" would be not to remember, or deny, that I'm now "living for the rest of my non-simulated life in a simulation".... knowing that your existence was a lie?
probably the point — petrichor
If, instead, every single human or animal entity would be "inhabited" like my own avatar, that might be a different story. — petrichor
I wouldn't enter for this reason alone. — petrichor
:up:Stop accepting new input from the universe in favour of my own fantasies? That's a pretty unimaginative and unchallenging way to spend the rest of my life. — Pantagruel
How much would the artificiality and meaninglessness of your life bother you? — hypericin
Aren't we here for others too? Isn't life something about continuation of life? — ssu
Suppose that in the future immersive simulations... ..indistinguishable from reality — hypericin
The vote distribution makes me suspect people did not understand the question. They would be more willing to go into the machine IF they kept their past memories and knew they were living a lie? Odd. — Lionino
But Heaven is presumably a real place, importantly populated by other real entities, such as dead loved ones. You get to resume your real relationships with these people. Whereas with the simulation, you would be condemned to spend the rest of your life with very advanced, animated chatGPTs.The idea of Heaven doesn't seem to bother Christians or Muslims, so why should a disembodied dream trouble an atheist? — Vera Mont
The conditions under which the two experiences arise are radically different, and beer drinking is certainly more than the experience. — jkop
On the other hand, what guarantee do we have that we are not plugged in in a machine right now? — Lionino
The vote distribution makes me suspect people did not understand the question. They would be more willing to go into the machine IF they kept their past memories and knew they were living a lie? Odd. — Lionino
Yes, I thought that too. But maybe the point is that people much prefer to keep their memories than to abandon them? — Pantagruel
At the first place: why is ordinary life so bad?
Aren't we here for others too? — ssu
But Heaven is presumably a real place, importantly populated by other real entities, such as dead loved ones. You get to resume your real relationships with these people. — hypericin
Maybe. Of course, nobody changes or achieves anything, so the relations, tearful reunion once over, are static and the whole exercise is pointless. — Vera Mont
Plus, they risk discovering which loved ones are missing — Vera Mont
Yeah, in my stupidity I didn't think it through. I don't actually want that tension mucking with what is to me the central question. I edited in a third option, what do you think?That's why I think losing oneself in forgetfulness is a deal-breaker for many.
Just think how terrified we all are at the prospect of senility. — Vera Mont
Why does it matter under what conditions they rise? Experientially, according to this thought experiment, they are identical. — hypericin
It's the one churches are selling. I don't believe any version of it, but millions of people apparently do. More cartoonish ones, even, involving wings and harps or brainless, powerless virgins.Or is that just an inaccurate, cartoon version? — hypericin
As one has had parents, a sibling, a spouse and children, I can tell you that's one of the worst ideas, ever. Think of what you have had to hold back.Everything left unsaid gets to be said. — hypericin
How does that differ from a computer simulation, where you can choose your cast, plot and setting?Or, the benevolent deity provides a perfect simulacrum in these cases. — hypericin
Maybe, maybe, maybe.... I'd rather trust a computer than a god.Maybe not as good as the real thing, but less painful for the deserving souls.
I edited in a third option, what do you think? — hypericin
You fixed the only thing anyone can object to. But I was fine was fine with the original. — Vera Mont
:lol: True.As one has had parents, a sibling, a spouse and children, I can tell you that's one of the worst ideas, ever. Think of what you have had to hold back. — Vera Mont
It is also very disrespectful to the people you love and people who love you. I can't think of anything more selfish. — JuanZu
It all reads like an exercise in destroying oneself and leaving an abomination in its place. — NOS4A2
Yet the distinctions we make between hallucinations and veridical experiences are not so dependent on whether one can spot experiential differences between two supposedly identical experiences. What distinguishes hallucinations is that nothing is experienced, hence the word 'hallucination'. To call it 'experience' is a fallacy of ambiguity. — jkop
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