2. Women want to work — TheMadFool
I think they want to be paid equally for the work performed and be provided the same opportunities for advancement and leadership as men.
Do you mean to argue that women ought be grateful for living in a society where they can be cared for without the need to get their hands dirty and they're foolish to challenge the benefits they have? It's not clear what direction you wish your argument to lead. — Hanover
You know TMF, not everything that seems goofy or hard to explain is a paradox. — T Clark
You’re gonna need to clarify that one. You’re not making any sense at all. — Possibility
Given the realities of/for women in the workplace, I'd tread lightly with any remarks you might be tempted to make unless you are yourself a woman in the workplace. — tim wood
Woman should just refuse to reproduce and go on a sex strike to close the pay gap. — Nils Loc
The "paradox" results from your medieval – patriarchal – assumptions, Fool. — 180 Proof
No paradox, just an outdated premise. — 180 Proof
Nobody wants work! Ask anybody you know. Also, children literally hate school, their abhorrence of homework being stuff of legend. — TheMadFool
Anyone who does work will tell you that they would choose NOT to work - IF they could still achieve the results that their work enables them to achieve. — Possibility
Have you ever had to prove your worth? — Possibility
Reread my post before my last on this thread. You only seem to understand the part you'd quoted. Sure? No, just more reasonable than your line of thought.How can you be so sure? — TheMadFool
What bothers me is no one really wants to work. — TheMadFool
Reread my post before my last on this thread. You only seem to understand the part you'd quoted. Sure? No, just more reasonable than your line of thought. — 180 Proof
Nobody wants to labor. Everybody, however, needs to be financially independent, that is, no matter the work they (need to) do (vide Hannah Arendt re: labor, work & action). Women same as men. The "paradox" results from your medieval – patriarchal – assumptions, Fool. — 180 Proof
there is significant emotional value for having a sense of purpose and duty. — Hanover
I don't see even an apparent paradox. E.g. children don't want to take unpleasant medicines yet the ones who recover from illnesses do. No paradox. WTF are you talking about, Fool? Comparing "wanting" and "doing" is a category mistake.1. "Nobody wants to labor" :ok:
2. "Everybody, however, needs to be financially independent" :ok:
The catch is if 2 is true,
3. Everybody has to labor
Then 1 & 3 form the contradictory pair. Hence the paradox. — TheMadFool
I like things "goofy or hard to explain" — TheMadFool
By the way, I really like your writing style. :up: — TheMadFool
1. Nobody wants to work
2. Women want to work (to close the gender gap)
WTF? :chin: — TheMadFool
I don't see even an apparent paradox. E.g. children don't want to take unpleasant medicines yet the ones who recover from illnesses do. No paradox. WTF are you talking about, Fool? Comparing "wanting" and "doing" is a category mistake. — 180 Proof
I don't expect for mine to be equal to my male counterpart, I plan on making more than him. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
What you said here is germane to the issue I raise in this thread. Work isn't just about survival then, it also has the added feature of empowering people through money — TheMadFool
The paradox is clear as clear can be. Nobody (men & women) wants to work but, now that I think of it, women want to work. Women have an agenda (equality) over and above the real reason why people work (survival) and that makes them want to work. Women perceive work as part of the feminist struggle. That makes them blind to the fact work is not some kind of privilege or mark of superiority that men possess; instead it's actually a heavy burden, such a heavy burden that men would like nothing better than to get rid of it asap. — TheMadFool
2. Women want to work (to close the gender gap) — TheMadFool
Eh?1. Nobody wants to work — TheMadFool
But often, they're not doing equal work. They're probably doing equal work in, say, a factory setting working at a conveyor belt. But in many other places, they aren't. Some types of work are such that only one gender is better suited for it, and also where (good) looks and age matter. Gender/appearance is often a part of the job description and job performance, even if it is not directly stated as such. This is a cultural given. Imagine an elderly fat man working as a kindergarten nurse, or a young poor looking woman selling luxury items for men. It just doesn't compute. In many lines of work, a person's qualifications matter not if they don't look the part.Women want equal pay for equal work — Possibility
Of course, this is not specified on a person's employment contract or paycheck, it's a cultural assumption. — baker
one of my boys fully intends on being a stay at home parent. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
Theoretically men can breastfeed, though it may require hormonal injections of some kind. — praxis
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