Well, what are the differences between objectivity and intersubjectivity? — TheMadFool
https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100008603The process and product of sharing experiences, knowledge, understandings, and expectations with others. A key feature of social constructionism, symbolic interactionism, and phenomenological approaches generally. The existence, nature, and meaning of things is not entirely up to the individual but subject to social and linguistic constraints within a culture or subculture (there has to be some degree of consensus or communication would be impossible; see also linguistic turn). The concept of intersubjectivity not only counters the undiluted subjectivism of extreme philosophical idealism but also the pure objectivism of naïve realism, since the same constraints filter our apprehension of the world. Things and their meanings are intersubjective to the extent that we share common understandings of them. Cultural identity is experienced through intersubjectivity.
How can subjectivity be shared? — Banno
But how could we possibly know that we "share common understandings"? If there is a private subjective world, then by definition you cannot see into mine, nor I into yours. and it would not be possible to confirm any commonality.
How can subjectivity be shared? — Banno
Good question. I'm dubious that it can be maintained, or that it is helpful. — Banno
But how could we possibly know that we "share common understandings"? If there is a private subjective world, then by definition you cannot see into mine, nor I into yours. and it would not be possible to confirm any commonality. — Banno
How can subjectivity be shared? — Banno
We don't need to. If we use the same words to describe the same things then who cares what we are actually experiencing. — khaled
How can subjectivity be shared? — Banno
I think it's possible there could be both private and shareable aspects of subjectivity. We can use language to share some aspects, but other aspects cannot be shown or otherwise shared. — Luke
Intersubjectivity is a very useful concept, especially in philosophy of science, — Olivier5
Why shouldn't the sharing bring the aspect into being — Banno
Well, what are the differences between objectivity and intersubjectivity? — TheMadFool
It seems to suppose that the preexisting aspect is represented in words and matched up against another preexisting aspect in another subjective consciousness.
Why shouldn't the sharing bring the aspect into being, as it where - the child learns the aspect in the process of learning to talk in a certain way. A child does not have a notion of "four" in its mind that it learns to match up with the word "four"; it learns what four is by moving beads, colouring squares and using the word.
My supposition, following Wittgenstein, is that what we call "concepts" are not things in the mind to which we attach words, but learned ways of manipulating the world, including using words. — Banno
Why shouldn't the sharing bring the aspect into being — Banno
While intersubjective procedures (like inquiry, experiment, argument) can reveal the objective aspects of entities, the mechanism of revealing remains objective rather than intersubjective. — fdrake
At what point do we know that our inter subjective understanding has evolved to objectivity? — khaled
Why shouldn't the sharing bring the aspect into being, — Banno
I understand. But you said that intersubjective procedures can reveal the objective aspects of entities. I'm asking when we can know that we have successfully done this. That we "got it".
I'm asking when we can know our representations match reality, as you claim that by using these intersubjective procedures we can figure it out — khaled
The difference between objectivity and subjectivity is that information about location relative to the body is absent in an objective view (ie. a view from nowhere vs. a view from somewhere).Well, what are the differences between objectivity and intersubjectivity? — TheMadFool
knowledge works as an intersubjective/shared generation of concepts/theories/ideas about stuff which can be more or less adequate. — fdrake
intersubjective procedures (like inquiry, experiment, argument) can reveal the objective aspects of entities — fdrake
How can subjectivity be shared? — Banno
“More or less adequate”? I thought you were claiming that eventually we’d get an “exact picture” — khaled
I was just asking when we can know our representations of the world actually match it. — khaled
My supposition, following Wittgenstein, is that what we call "concepts" are not things in the mind to which we attach words, but learned ways of manipulating the world, including using words. — Banno
If you want a non-domain specific answer; an answer to the question of what ensures the connection between thought and being or mind and world — fdrake
I dunno, I don't think that's relevant to the topic at hand. — fdrake
I would say nothing ensures a connection. — khaled
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