• Vera Mont
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    What I'm saying is that technology is the root of the food-supply problem, not meat-eating.Gnomon
    And technology can provide a reasonable answer (not shipping people off-planet) in the form of cultured meat. Like any new technology, it needs a time to develop improved product and to become affordable. ATM, it's less than ideal: though not as energy-wasteful and polluting as industrial sized live meat production. The biggest obstacle, as usual, is the consumers' entrenched prejudice, fuelled by the present meat industry, which has a lot to lose.
    One huge advantage, when cultured meat becomes commonplace, is that a meat factory can be set up in every town, and several in each city, saving all the transportation costs and fallout. Vegetable and food growing can also be local and urban, liberating vast tracts of land to grow oxygenating, carbon-capturing vegetation and wildlife habitat.
  • Truth Seeker
    609
    Why would anyone leave Bangladesh?Athena
    Different people have left Bangladesh for different reasons. Some have left to have a better standard of living in another country. Some have left because their lives were threatened in Bangladesh. Some have left to earn more money for their family. Some have left to have better education.

    I think of Bangladesh as very exotic and with a rich history.Athena

    When I think of Bangladesh, I am flooded with sorrow about all the suffering, inequality, injustice and deaths. Please see:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_by_Islamic_extremists_in_Bangladesh

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Bangladesh

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Bangladesh_cyclone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods_in_Bangladesh

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Bhola_cyclone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bengal_famine_of_1770

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plassey

    In 1617, the Christian King James I of England & VI of Scotland, the one who authorised the King James Version of the Bible, offered friendship to the Muslim Emperor Jahangir. In return, Jahangir granted trading permission and tax-exempt status to the English East India Company. In 1757, the East India Compay stabbed the natives in the back and took power using deception, bribery and violence. The Company forced local farmers to grow cash crops instead of food crops. During the 1769 to 1773 famine, they increased tax 3 to 4 times the original tax - one would think the Company would remember that they were given tax-exempt status by Jahangir and consequently would give the natives a tax-exempt status but they did the very opposite. 10 million out of 30 million Bengalis died in that famine alone. Of course, there were many more famines during the British Rule:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule

    I would love to go back in time and prevent all suffering, inequality, injustice, and deaths. I would love to make all living things all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful but I can't.
  • Barkon
    78
    A fact is self-confirming, regardless of whether you've thought about it or not.

    'This is text,' is a fact, and it confirms itself.
  • Barkon
    78
    I have a question.

    Is a fact about the universe now, still a fact if we are not part of the universe and have no interaction with it from somewhere external to it? Can there be facts without observation? And thus, do facts exist in the mental realm, moreover the physical realm as per se one's collection of facts(in mind) as opposed to the states of things in a locale?
  • Truth Seeker
    609
    I don't know. I can't figure out the whole truth about reality. I wish all living things were all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful.
  • Barkon
    78
    You'll find more luck in death, which I believe is like a male to life where life is the female to death. I would consider death, ultimately perfect for everyone, all loving, all knowing and all powerful. In the case of life, we take pain to experience greater pleasures, and I advise you as a part of life to accept the good with the bad in pursuit of things like higher understanding, great inner peace and true love, etc.
  • Truth Seeker
    609
    Thank you for your advice. You are lucky that you are not me and have not lived my life.
  • Vera Mont
    3.4k
    Is a fact about the universe now, still a fact if we are not part of the universe and have no interaction with it from somewhere external to it?Barkon

    Yes. But the only way you can confirm that is by going outside the universe and then establishing communications with someone inside.
    Can there be facts without observation?Barkon
    Yes.
    And thus, do facts exist in the mental realm,Barkon
    Facts are the verbal description of things and relationships that exist in reality. What you put in your mental realm are memories of factual descriptions.

    moreover the physical realm as per se one's collection of facts(in mind) as opposed to the states of things in a locale?Barkon
    This does not scan.
  • Athena
    3k
    I would love to go back in time and prevent all suffering, inequality, injustice, and deaths. I would love to make all living things all-loving, all-knowing and all-powerful but I can't.Truth Seeker

    Hey, should we start a thread for that? Everyone can pick his/her time in history and place and say what should be changed, why, and how?

    I loved Genghis Khan, the early Nintendo game. I loved that we could save the game and repeat a part of it if things went really wrong. I also liked how it expanded my ideas of what is important and how to balance everything. Most important lesson, war can destroy your empire, so don't go to war if it can be avoided. However, if the British are causing the people to starve to death there is no good choice but to try to get rid of them.
  • Athena
    3k
    You all inspired me to look for a definition of the word "fact"

    A fact is a true datum about one or more aspects of a circumstance. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement by experiments or other means. For example, "This sentence contains words." Wikipedia

    Now I need to know what a datum is and this definition causes me to think about the Greek philosophers and what math had to do with the separation of rational thinking from the gods and the evolution of science coming out of philosophy.

    A geodetic datum or geodetic system is a global datum reference or reference frame for precisely representing the position of locations on Earth or other planetary bodies by means of geodetic coordinates. Wikipedia

    A fact is a fact if we are aware of it or not. Washing one's hands in polluted water can spread disease if observers realize that is what is happening or not. Making the ritual of washing of hands in an area that is wet and the well is close to the sewage a hazardous practice leading some to think the ritual of washing hands is not a good idea.

    When reading the Bible we might want to do some fact checking before believing it is the word of God.

    A theory might or might not be a fact. We can not judge that without checking and rechecking what we believe is true.

    Myth is a genre of folklore or theology consisting primarily of narratives that play a fundamental role in a society, such as foundational tales or origin myths. For folklorists, historians, philosophers or theologians this is very different from the use of "myth" simply indicating that something is not true. Wikipedia
    It is not factual. It is not science. It can not predict. What we think about myths is an opinion of what is true and believable.
  • Truth Seeker
    609
    Hey, should we start a thread for that? Everyone can pick his/her time in history and place and say what should be changed, why, and how?Athena

    Thank you for the proposal. I have created such a thread: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/15185/changing-the-past-in-our-imagination

    I loved Genghis Khan, the early Nintendo game. I loved that we could save the game and repeat a part of it if things went really wrong. I also liked how it expanded my ideas of what is important and how to balance everything.Athena

    If you loved that game you are likely to love Civilization VI.
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