Note I got you to backtrack your implication that Russia has an implicit right to invade Ukraine, to: nobody really respects sovereignty. — frank
Note I got you to backtrack your implication that Russia has an implicit right to invade Ukraine, to: nobody really respects sovereignty.
— frank
Another person who can't read. I never said the first par — Benkei
In any case, Russia cannot logically be expected to accept the Black Sea being turned into a NATO lake (controlled by NATO states Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, and possibly Georgia).
— Apollodorus
And a multitude of other cases
-ssu
Why do you disagree with this? I thought we already established the proxy war fought over the Ukraine since well before that? The strategic importance of Crimea and therefore the Black Sea seems obvious as well. Moscow being pincered by the baltic states and Ukraine in a sort of "C" around Belarus would be strategically worrying too. — Benkei
Actually you did: — frank
Ukraine mayor says Russian soldiers who kidnapped him knew nothing about his country — Olivier5
The cold war is over. The US hasn't been particularly interested in Russia for decades. — frank
Yes, I know you've dumped a lot of bullshit commentary in this thread. I stopped paying attention a long time ago - I just chanced on that delusional passage because it was quoted by someone else. — SophistiCat
it's going to become patently clear in the end who comes out on top — Baden
It says they have a right to defend themselves and we have the right to help them anyway we can. — Olivier5
the evident military setbacks — SophistiCat
It was obvious 4 weeks ago that they could just consolidate their land grab of a land bridge to Crimea — boethius
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if Ukrainians deciding to continue to fight "for their rights" rather than accept the minimal peace terms offered weeks ago (no-NATO, Dombas independence, recognition of Crimea), simply resulted in immense suffering for Ukrainians, — boethius
I finally understand this land bridge thing. So there will have to be a border and a passage through the Eastern regions? Sounds risky, prone to guerilla attacks. — FreeEmotion
Also isn't the Euro-Russia-Ukraine econo/miltary block a real threat to American economic power? — FreeEmotion
That's the shortsighted view of a slave. — Olivier5
"My only regret is that I have but one life to give for my country."
"Give me liberty, or give me death." — frank
but to argue they haven't achieved anything militarily and the Ukrainians have in some way "won" just doesn't make any sense. — boethius
You are projecting. I never asserted anything of the sort. You, on the other hand, in arguing the opposite point, find it necessary to give ridiculous rationalizations for Russian campaign's failings. — SophistiCat
But why, in arguing this obvious point (against whom?), do you find it necessary to give ridiculous rationalizations even for the campaign's obvious failings? — SophistiCat
LOL. The mage Boethius is with us. — Olivier5
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