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  • Why do people need religious beliefs and ideas?
    I say those words because I have tried so hard to raise awareness of what was done and why and I hit the wall of people being sure we must have the education we have and jumping on me for thinking public education should return to education for good moral judgment.Athena

    I understand you. Sometimes it is hard to meet someone who thinks like us. It is quite complex when we as a kid are taught since 3 years old how to do "things" but not question anything. Just do it if you want have a job. Doesn't matter if you are agree or not. You have to pass all the university exams doesn't matter if the classes and the content have quality or not.
    So I guess these people are so brainwashed. But one of the things that triggered me the most is how the implanted us the "survive" method. You have to be "better" than the best. But what exactly means being "better"? We lead this meaning just to subjective people like our teachers.
    They built a world in education/work of excessive competitiveness. What if an intelligent student cannot get a scholarship because he is just lazy and not feel motivated?
    I guess these are different things. It is not the same being lazy or stupid. But our educational system always want the "proof" that we are really good.
    As you perfectly said here:
    We replaced classic philosophy with German philosophyAthena

    Yes, because German philosophy can lead us to be more practical. Ancient Greek evaluated the mind. This is why Ancient Greek philosophy is important to understand ethics, empathy, honor, etc... Where these basic principles have gone?
  • Time and Deeds
    Religio" - Religion - is the purest proof that humanity, being unable to accept its egoistic nature, turns its longing for power into its own justification for the struggle for power.Gus Lamarch

    It is literally another branch of powers. Very powerful when you have a lot catholics around the world. Vatican is a State where can go every human does not matter his nationality and feels connected to it.
    For me, it is no impressive his selfishness. They were been like this for centuries. But... why the keep secret all the governance inside Vatican? It is so interesting. Are they sacred of something? I can not trust in something that acts in the shades. But somehow the remain there and it looks like everybody respects it. Probably because the people is so ignorant? Am I the ignorant in this case?

    We created the religion and its dogma - by revelation -;
    People should follow it;
    We use the religion for our own gains;
    That goes against the dogma;
    We accept it;
    If God was real - the Christian one - it should act in some capacity against the breaking of its dogma;
    He doesn't;
    Therefore, he doesn't exist.
    Gus Lamarch

    Yes. As you perfectly said here. Christian one. I believe Jesus Christ existed. He was just a prophet who wanted to change the reality in Roman Empire. But somehow exactly these are the ones who lantern on make Christianity/Catholicism as a dogma to improve their own benefits. They saw it as a clearly opportunity to increase the power. Why? Because religion took education for centuries until the secularism criteria.
  • Why do people need religious beliefs and ideas?
    individual growth. In 1917 vocation education as add to public education and this was a wonderful thing!Athena

    Of course it is. Vocational education is one of the pillars in ancient society, this provided making many beautiful things like art, philosophy, or books. But sadly we will not see this anymore, because as you said:

    The military technology of the second world war changed the purpose of education. We began preparing the young to be products for industry.Athena

    We still be products for industry. Here is what happens right know: Just go for school to learn the principles of basic. Then, choose a career. Afterward (supposedly) you get a job. Congratulations you are just another brick in the wall. Pay the bill and hmm... use the public services (?) because States want to make us think this is “success”.
    How we ended up here? Easy. The governors and government. It is the most powerful aspect in today’s society. If they control education they control everything. They are so clever because we are in an era where is more easier the access for education. So they do not want the vocational education. If you are more open to read you question everything, even the governors... and they do not want so.

    I wish we can go back to liberal education. This is literally where works so good in the social welfare states as Norway for example.
  • Why do people need religious beliefs and ideas?
    Imagine some kid in college who has felt the problem and asks his prof returning from a BLM meeting: "How can I know myself"? What kind or response will he get? That is why nothing changes and everything repeats. We don't know what we ARE.Nikolas

    Well it could be an interesting question for a kid. It depends in the knowledge of that kid because asking who I am only can come from a person who love to read or debate. It is sad but there will be people that will never question or experience this important belief.
    As you said, we do not know what we are. Because it is a good metaphysic question. It is free to interpret.
    But... somehow it can be quite sad that humans can go to Mars but we don’t explain who we are or how we can be happy (I am pretty romantic sometimes).

    Yet if we want to change what we ARE for the good of humanity and ourselves, we first have to learn what we ARE or the qualities of our being. This requires efforts to "Know Thyself" or having the experience of ourselves rather than imagining ourselves.Nikolas

    Yes. Completely. Requires a lot of effort. But the problem starts when we are in a complex situation that our educational system only promotes practical education. They prepare us how to work and have an income but not asking ourselves what is going on
    This situation started since Spinoza in the enlightenment, decided put a practical system.
  • Does Materialism Have an a Priori Problem?


    I guess you want to explain that there is no doubt that mind/ideas exist, but The complex situation born when we put everything in practice so the theory gets complexity.
    If materialism has a prior problem probably could be. Therefore, I guess this depends a lot of how you were raised in the home/country you were born in. Because the ideas or mind are there, yes, but they are so stimulated in our reality. For this reason, I guess this is why we literally see the same reality in different perspectives. Then, I guess this is the problem of materialism.
    Which is the significance we can put in materialism and physics through our ideas? Interesting.
  • Taxes
    The imposition of the Euro is like a stealth European war.synthesis

    It is. Actually it looks like the classic Europeans wars back in the past. Nevertheless, even though the euro system a has its flaws, I think it has a good cooperative principle: free market between European and a solid currency.
    Imagine not having the euro and then other currencies could go to a random European country and buy whatever they want with no it’s real value. I guess this is one of the strategies the Europeans thought back in the day.

    But, of course, inside the European system there are some problems too. This morning I say a brief episode of a random channel which asked: “why the Mediterranean economies are so inestable?” and the someone replied: because the Euro is prepared just to the north European countries.
    What a complex debate.
  • Taxes
    The global economy is a massive ruse in many ways and although it works on some levels (particularly for governments and corporations)synthesis

    Yes! And in this quote that you mentioned it is interesting how some countries used the secret bank/tax haven policy (this is why I started this debate) just to try being something in this world.
    For example, Nauru and Cook Island were in bankruptcy some years ago. They can pick up the tourism card but let’s be honest it will not work in the long run. So they decided put tax haven policies and it looks like “something” has changed. It is true they are far from the average HDI members but it is better than literally nothing. So... are some countries forced to make cheats just to survive? I guess yes.

    The entire Euro-system was doomed from the beginning but that's another story!synthesis

    Agree. This can start a different debate lol.
  • Why do people need religious beliefs and ideas?
    You seem to be describing mechanical faith which is instilled in someone by adapting to society or indoctrination. Expand your example to the question of government. We can have mechanical faith that it will change things for the better. But somehow it never does.Nikolas

    Yes. It is sad but this is what literally happens in most of the issues which come from governance. Somehow I have blind faith on people. No in governors. Governors are just there to plump theirs pockets with a lot of money and disappoint the people.
    But I guess we did not lose everything. It is all about of no depending from government (It is impossible I understand). Because we can use internet and knowledge to improve the circumstances. For example, I have a lot of hope on the people who participate in this forum or other related forums. This what makes the difference. Debating without consideration or prejudices in others.

    You seem to be describing mechanical faith which is instilled in someone by adapting to society or indoctrination.Nikolas

    Also yes, I tried to explain it in a mechanical way because in my opinion it could have a chain of working. Nevertheless, as you explained this not necessarily works all the time.
  • Ever contemplate long term rational suicide?
    I don't have the means to extend this kind of lifestyle for longer than 10 years.dazed

    I wish you can do it. I am younger than you (23 years old) so I do not know what is the feeling of reach 50 but I guess is an important period of time where you clearly see how everything starts "fading away" slowly.
    Nevertheless, despite I am young I also had that feeling of "I don't to continue here" because sometimes life itself is so heavy.
    But do not get obsessed in this feeling. Life is a continue challenge. Also you have a partner with you that can support in the worst times. This is a gift because I never had a girlfriend/partner so I think meeting some in life is like a treasure.

    Look, our lives soon or after will end. Your and mine. But somehow this is positive. We have to reach goals and make efforts to make the people who love us happy and confortable. Also do not being sad for feeling as "load". This also happens. I don't understand why the brain drives us to some painful situations. Probably to make us stronger?
  • Greece and Turkey at war?
    I am GreekFranz Liszt

    Im Spanish and I love your country. Mediterranean friendship.

    Will 2023 be an important year between Greece and Turkey?Franz Liszt

    As you explained previously. Yes it will be an important year. But the circumstances have changed a lot. Europe is really different from 1923.
    First of all if paradoxically Turkey declare the war against Greece they will be totally lost. Not only Europe Unión supports Greece but all the occidental powers (NATO I guess). So it will be totally lost of time to Turkey and Erdogan.
    Secondly, it looks like they really want be part of European Union. Somehow they are always trying to. If somehow they threat Greece nobody will open their arms to Turkey.

    About Cyprus. This point is interesting. I remember that this island is not only geographic important but for taxes. I remember Cyprus was a secret bank/tax haven country. So yes I guess European union also wants Cyprus with them.

    I mean, they are forced to lost so Erdogan would be crazy if he tries something with Greece.
  • Taxes
    we agree it's an accepted means of exchange.Benkei

    True. This is why I say it is philosophy of Economics because we accept some monetary patrons instead of others. Because they are powerful. It is not the same having euros/dollars in your bank account than pesos or rupees.
    I mean, it is quite interesting how literally a coin has more value than others. But yes I am agree depends in other facts as goods, industry, revenue, etc... That makes the monetary system of this country more powerful than others
  • Taxes
    How many would pay taxes if there wasn't a punishment for not doing so?

    Thus, governments take what they want under threat of violence.

    Whether that is ethical I will leave to each to decide for their own.
    Tzeentch

    This post is very important. Here where my debate started for.
    Literally only a few of people would pay their own taxes if laws were not punished them. So I guess this is why it is interesting how we have a dilemma/debate in the modern world.

    Is ethical to pay taxes? Well supposedly yes... But sometimes it looks like the government does not take advantage of this. So all the problems is how we are governed in the the country you live in.
    As someone previously said the Nordic countries have a lot taxes but it looks like it works so well. They have the so called "welfare state" but somehow only works there
  • Why do people need religious beliefs and ideas?
    Mechanical faith is what you were taught to believe. Emotional faith is belief based on fear which is why it is considered the blind faith of slaveryNikolas

    Not necessarily. I guess not all faiths drive you to slavery or being slave of your circumstances. When you have some beliefs and then, you believe in something particular (religion, atheism, politics, etc...) doesn’t make you slave because it is not painful to you. You just believe and do the best to pursuit happiness or whatever situation that is worthy is society. It is all about how we evaluate it.
    But I guess the blind faith is not a negative aspect. Sometimes it can lead you to change something.
    In our progress as a human we need: faith, beliefs and believe in.

    For example: I have the faith we can distribute natural resources differently. We have beliefs on it. Then, we believe in the change and take some actions.
  • Taxes


    I want to follow you but it is quite complex when it is hard to me understanding principles of economics. Nevertheless, thanks for your statements and arguments to make me have more knowledge.
    Here is interesting how you explained to me what was the path of the US dollar after the WWII ended.
    Primarily, all other currencies would be valued against the USD as they were towards gold previously.synthesis
    . This makes a country so much powerful. Having a currency that is so valuable around the world makes the difference.
    But I guess (If I finally get your points) one of the most difficult goals is facing the dollar. So probably this is the reason why the Eurosystem was created. New profitable currency which can face the Dollar.
    Nevertheless p, it is interesting because we are giving “value” to some coins than others.

    You should read up on how the international monetary system workssynthesis
    I will. Thank you for the recommendation.
  • On Having A Particular Physical Body? The Implications for Our Philosophical Understanding.
    but none of this tells us anything about the human being, which reaches out to experience and explore meaning and ask philosophical questions.Jack Cummins

    Completely! But this is why we are so unique as humans. There are some subjects or criteria that the doctors can’t describe at all. I guess it is better this situation. Sometimes we need to go further in physics or body. It is important trying to understand how our soul or mind work. It is one of the most dilemmas in society. What do we want? How we can pursue happiness?

    As you perfectly has said, something is lost. I guess it is the lost of finding happiness. Look how human can go to Mars (true! It is a good goal) but we do not know how to be happy because it is so complex.
  • On Having A Particular Physical Body? The Implications for Our Philosophical Understanding.
    However, on a personal level, we know ourselves so much more intimately. I think that this level of knowing is important, and perhaps, in our most intimate relationships this can be explored further.Jack Cummins

    Agree. This point is very important. How we are ourselves is very unknown to others. I guess it’s even a private right keep our personality secret to others. This means that only people who you really trust you will open your “heart” or “persona”. I think it is beautiful. But it also depends in the person. I guess there are people who wants to be more conservative/introvert.
  • Time and Deeds
    Protestantism only emerged when Christianity itself became to be secularized.Gus Lamarch

    Yes. Probably because it emerged another political power that could face government one. Remember the fact that Vatican is literally a State. Pope is like a governor of the world/his world. So, since the day Pope randomly said to Henry VIII, “hey you cannot divorce from your woman because the Bible forbids it” completely blown up his mind.
    It was a fight about governance. I respect the people who believe in God or religion. But it is clear that is just another power itself. They played a very important role in some countries and education. When this kind power somehow conflict themselves something can happen. Who should control the education of masses? Education or religion? Well this is one of the biggest debates about governance.
    Some countries preferred the education other the religion. In those countries whose system/education is religion, the secular power increased a lot.
  • Taxes
    Since money is debt in this system, the amount of interest that must be paid to keep the system going necessitates that more and more money be created simply to make this payment.synthesis

    Yes! But this point is the most interesting at all. I understand how you have explained how money/value works in economics. Also the fact what happens with debts and payment and also the how works the bank system.
    But... Why some currency are better than others? I mean, if you start creating a lot of American dollar it is worthy because is a powerful currency. But this does not happen with pesos or rupiah.
    So I guess it also depends, as you said, in the value of that country? (income, GDP, goods, profit, revenues, etc...)
  • Taxes
    Deflation is the natural order of things. Inflation is the anomaly. Here's why...synthesis

    Thanks for your explanation. Very appreciated. It cleared my mind.
  • On Having A Particular Physical Body? The Implications for Our Philosophical Understanding.
    There two important things here: myself and how others see myself as how I think or my perceptions.
    For example, check this dialogue:
    who are you? Javier
    Yes but which Javier?
    Excuse me?
    Yes, which Javier in the other's people minds.
    Which one is the real?
    To whom are you exposing your real self?


    The word "person" meant is Ancient Greek mask so this says all.

    How we are perceived by others is really important. Yes we have only one unique body and it's characteristics but the reflection is not as basic as just physical.

    affects us on a personal and social level.Jack Cummins
    You have completely nailed it. Affects a lot in many ways. But also depends in the open mind of the other person.
    Will you hire a new employee who is tattooed all the head? I will not mind but probably other will do...

    I guess I will sound negative but I think we live an era which we evaluate a lot the way of how other are exposing theirselves
  • Philosophy has failed to create a better world
    PS I would not know happiness if I had not stumbled onto philosophy! If it were not for philosophy I would still be one of the most miserable people on earth.Athena

    Same here. I remember philosophy was very important in my life when I was 18 years old in my last grade of high school before starting the university. I was alone in class because I was "freak" for just reading books. Everyone had girlfriend/boyfriend and big group of friends except me so I felt really alone because that period of time is completely awful. It looks like you have to show something to just join a group of friends.
    Reading books not only philosophy but literature (Don Quixote and Ulysses) etc... Give another hope in life.
    I also had that feeling of giving up and being frustrated asking myself: "why the hell my teens suck?" but I was making a mistake. I was looking more the life of others instead of mine.
    I started accepting myself and then everything changed for better. I am happy of who I am and I do not need someone to love me or being friends with. I am not force to do it.
  • Metaphysical Epistemology - the power of belief
    I mean "faith" sorry I made the same mistake.
  • Metaphysical Epistemology - the power of belief
    I've never seen the word "feith" before, and I'll assume that you mean "faith".
    @Metaphysician Undercover

    Sorry. English is not my native language sometimes I make some grammar mistakes.

    Yes I am agree with you. It is interesting how you you put feith previously to belief. I think you are right in this point. As much as we need the effort to improve our memory we need exactly faith to improve the beliefs. Here we see that the premises change again but to better.
    We do the effort of having faith in x. Then, we start making a belief in x. Subsequently, "we believe in x"

    So this is the chain which starts everything. I guess without feith nothing can starts.
  • Time and Deeds
    They still be guilty. Not about the fact of prostitution but hypocrisy. Back in the time Church and clergy were so powerful controlling the minds of the citizens: if you do this or that God will punish you. It is inmoral
    But... In the shadows they were the more sinners of all. It is interesting how you shared with us how the Roman Empire even created a law about "Christian prostitution". Well this reflects how powerful the clergy was always been. If I am enough powerful to join in the State institution I can act whatever I want and I force the jurists to make laws in my favor/ambitious.
    Meanwhile the population was there thinking or feeling guilty for stealing an Orange or Chicken to just eat...

    Well this text proves why in Europe slowly started a fight between protestantism/calvinists and the Curch in the coming centuries.
  • Metaphysical Epistemology - the power of belief
    Like any form of memorizing, it requires effort, and effort is only made when there is a reason to make itMetaphysician Undercover

    Yes. We have here the "hope" of wanting our live to improve. Everything needs an effort but previously we do need to have beliefs and then believe in... As you perfectly said previously.
    More than a reason I guess is important how to perceive our feith. Sometimes hope and belief are upon the reason itself.
    Probably the reason could say to you "do not do it because it is impossible" but the beielfs and feith say to you "let's do it we have another chance"
  • Taxes
    Shit, to be frank... we - in the States, that is - have the very best government and justice system that private money can buy.creativesoul

    This happens in Europe too... The richest always win. I guess it is a principle inside the occidental world. Nevertheless, I think the US system does work you literally have the best universities of the world that provides a lot of well paid workers in the future.
    Check out this sad fact: unemployment rate of young Spanish people is 44 % (oh God it is a lot) while we still paying taxes to maintain the public services. Which the unemployment rate in the US? I guess so low because you are the strongest capitalist economy in the world.
    Then, I guess as you said, it is all about how cleverly the government uses the revenue to invest in people (university, education system, well paid work in public administration, etc...) rather than just make debts and asking for loans.
  • "The Government"
    Well, having a socialist Prime Minister in a Catholic kingdom is not a good strategy for achieving success.Gus Lamarch

    Complexity. Like all my governors do. Well the governor of Madrid is conservative but I did not see a huge difference. Since COVID crisis started the last year is upon us a big pessimism of what the future holds. Many people lost their jobs and are in bankruptcy. I guess the European bonus pack are not the solution either if the politicians do not know how to use it properly. I guess we have to be more patient if we want to see more changes.
    But it’s not all about economy. The country is divided again and this hurts when you have a family that literally experienced a civil war and it’s consequences except me. I wish I never met a civil war in my region. I think it is impossible but could be when there are lot of people getting divided about monarchy/republic or leftist/conservatives etc... I wish my compatriots do not want to die for politicians or whatever.
  • Taxes
    On the other hand, Nordic countries have high taxes and their HDIs are in Top 10 or so.litewave

    Yes because these countries fortunately have good governments that invest the revenue they get in good public goods. But it is not work in all countries. Sadly, it looks like that this social welfare system only work in Nordic countries.
  • Taxes
    Prices in the U.S. were cheaper on January 1, 1900 then they were on January 1, 1800.synthesis

    This is a good example Philosophy of Economics. It is just amazing how we give more value/credit to the currency depending the times. It is so abstract when Wall Street or Madrid Stock Change determines the value of a coin. It reminds me about 1929 crack and money hadn’t any value. But well it did not end bad when American Dollar is the strongest currency in the world despite some consequences.
    Probably the deflation in January 1, 1900 occurred because civil war in the United United in the last years of XIXth century. (It is just my guess I am not a specialist in Economics).
  • Philosophy has failed to create a better world
    How do you understand happiness?Athena

    What a complex question. I think happiness is just moments we live along our lives. I going to sound pretty pessimistic but life in general is full of sadness. Even when you are getting older. So I guess this is why we are so obsessed to pursue happiness because it is so ephemeral
  • Taxes
    Capital gains tax is terrible and disincentivizes investingBitconnectCarlos

    There also a lot of people who defends this. Taxes are not so profitable so the public is wasteful. Paying a lot of taxes do not contribute to motivation in investing so they just travel to another country with low capital/income taxes.
  • Taxes
    All that I can say is that to oppose taxes seems to be irrational. What happens to all the tax revenue a government accumulates? It goes into essentials such as infrastructure development, maintenance, revamping, paying government employees, financing activities of national importance and so on.TheMadFool

    Yes. Agree. This is supposed to be right? Public expenditure is profitable. But... why US and Spain (both taxation countries) are lower in the HDI index than a secret bank/tax haven country like Switzerland? It is so much interesting. Because sometimes it looks like the revenue that the government gets are not well distributed. Imagine having TRILLIONS of dollars and being in the 17th position... there is something that the government makes wrong.
    But yes it is really complex because US has a lot of citizens. So this makes it harder (you have more population than Spain and Switzerland together) I guess in terms of administration.
  • Taxes
    there is a wealth taxT Clark

    As you perfectly say. The problem is how bad taxes are distributed in countries. Probably Switzerland has taxes but not as much as Spain (promise) and look the different wealth ratio. It is just impressive and I am here thinking paying taxes is for nothing but it looks like the State is guilty at all.

    Taxes are necessary for government and society to function... in the States anyway. Best thought of as user fees.creativesoul

    Of course it is. We have to share the wealth to make a more developed country. But here we have another dilemma of how much should be the public expenditure. I am not trying saying here that if you are poor you do not deserve participate in society and it’s public service but it amazes me how Switzerland as a tax haven has that quality of life. Because sometimes having rich people does not mean equality but this country does. So probably as @T Clark said previously the key here is being more clever in the use of taxes.
  • Philosophy has failed to create a better world


    Yes. I know about Spinoza because I read some of him some years ago when I was interested in enlightenment. As you said yes I do not agree either of how he divided the art of learning in schools. I even consider Spinoza as one of the worst thinkers ever of how he decided to destroy the concept of Roman/Greek learnings.
    I guess you are from the United States because of the examples you are putting on the table. I am from Europe and somehow I am jealous of your education system. When education fails there is nothing to do in th State. But I guess your educational system works when the universities are the best worldwide and generally the incomes/development are good. Despite probably we forget about the basics back in ancient times. So it is a great dilemma of what is the right path inside education... Spinoza stupid division of branches or Roman/Greek education which wants the perfect goal: happiness

    Interesting fact here: Russia (I guess they still doing this) teaches in their schools how to play chess. What a beautiful way of improve the knowledge of the students. Probably this is the main reason why they have discovered a vaccine for Covid sputnik. Nevertheless U.S. Also discovered vaccines for Covid.
    Another interesting point of view that me, as a citizen from a neutral/nobody cares country like Spain, remembers as the 1960's fights between US and Soviet Unión of who can have the best educational system despite they are far from Greek/Roman ones.
  • New form of the ontological argument
    , I am saying: «If God exists, then God might have this and that attribute».Amalac

    Ok. Understandable. You put existence as the epitome of all attributes. Existence could be the most perfection or attribute you can put on somebody (God). But how can we know he exists?
    Then, if he exists and we discover it which attributes we put on them? I guess previously someone had to taught the existence of God himself (empiricism again).
    Here we have a base of beliefs and believing in something abstract like God. I guess again when you believe in something "higher" or "greatest" you want to put on it all the best attributes possible because we see it as it could be our purest form
  • Atheism is delusional?


    I get your point. I am an atheist too. But I guess you go to scientific to put arguments why God literally does not exist. Yes, as you said, science is always a good statement/proof against secularism. You put a good example, the evolution theory.
    Nevertheless, there are plenty of things in our life that don't need depend on the science but it is also important in belief: law, ethics, democracy, moral, etc... These are abstract and complex concepts and I do not think they depend on "God" or something higher in Cosmos.
    For example: respect each other in society is a good example of coliving. If I hurt, robb, or even kill you I get punished by a court (the justice representation in the order) but me as a atheist I will not say "God will punish you" because I do not believe it.

    This also depends of free will. Are we truly free to take our own decisions in the Cosmos? Is something observing us out there?
    Yes every human it himself and it's consequences. There is not true predetermined context. Also, I do not believe in abstract term as "Haven" and "hell". Those are even metaphors. Probably you can even think your life is a "hell" when you do not know what a hell is.
  • Metaphysical Epistemology - the power of belief
    we proceed toward the belief the hypothesis provides some sort of truth.Metaphysician Undercover

    So I guess you want to explain that we can only have the belief hypothesis when some methods and objectives are actually true. Yes. It depends a lot the feith in something that previously has to be true because it is quite difficult believing in something false.
    So the premise can change here a little bit. First something (we call it "x") is true is our perspective. Secondly, we believe in the truest of x. Then, we believe in the capacity of make x understandable, studied, developed, compared, etc...
  • Metaphysical Epistemology - the power of belief
    Exactly. There is a correspondence between the quality of belief and the quality of the presentation (enactment) of the belief. That would be the fundamental (or to use Collingwood's term, absolute) presupposition.Pantagruel

    True! You have described it even better than my statement: the importance of quality in the belief.
    I guess in this point it will depend a lot of person themselves. Each one will qualify the belief as they consider appropriately. So this could be clearly subjective. For example: we all know that clearly climate change is a big problem. How much of the population will really consider it? Well I guess the one who gives quality to this belief.

    Everyone (except a few) believe in climate change.
    Someone believes in the quality of this belief and then wants to make a difference.

    But here again we end up in the starting point as I said previously: happiness.
    Yes, people don't 'believe' they want to be happy, they just do.Pantagruel
  • Metaphysical Epistemology - the power of belief
    This is a more specialized use of "believe", to say "believe in". It is better represented as having faith in a particular power, or capacity, to overcome obstacles. To simply "believe" is to have faith in one's power of memory, but to "believe in" is to have faith in some capacity to act.Metaphysician Undercover

    It is so interesting how you classified these complex concepts in two groups. I never thought the act of "believe" can lead us into another conception: "believe in" as you said. I guess this is just an a example of the classic question of "which one went first the egg or the gen?"
    Having faith in something we can do comes when we are ready to pursue it. So I think firstly comes the act of "believe" in general terms and then "believe in..." specific terms.
    So, probably, the epitome could be: being a believer in beliefs than can bring the power of act inside the world/society I live in.
  • Metaphysical Epistemology - the power of belief
    It is easier to hypothesize something as a belief than actually to believe it.Pantagruel


    This statement could be painful but it is the most who is closest to reality. As you said to us one of the powers that can be in us the humans is believe in
    something
    . This point makes and proves why we are so different from animals or other creatures inside the savage world. The fact that abstract concepts created in our vocabulary as "metaphysics" or "beliefs" shows why we always want to improve our lives the better we want... Probably to reach the best goal everyone aspire = happiness (I just say this because it remembered me so fast when you quoted Aristotle).

    What is a belief, other than a memory? Nothing. And to believe is to have confidence in what is believed, i.e. the memoryMetaphysician Undercover

    Empiricism? Yes I guess something complex as "belief" has to been taught in us previously. Imagine if it could actually exist people who do not understand this pattern because they never been taught to. Somehow there are people which just live an ordinary life without the pursuit of "bieleve" in something better o understand what is the real meaning of "beliefs".
    But in this point I don't refer to religious/atheists persons. I refer to all of those who have the power of believe in something: the next vaccine or reduce the Carbon emissions (for example). Because believe in something like religion or atheism are even more complex that just believe in tangled things.