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  • Difference between Gender and Sex
    The word for physical structure is anatomy. Gays and straights have the same anatomy. If there's a difference in how a certain stimulus is processed in homosexuals, that would have to have a physiological component.

    If the question is: does it originate in the psyche, genetics, or environment... I don't think anybody knows. Maybe it's part of everybody's potential and it's just latent in straights.
  • Sexism
    I find it very strange that some here expect Agustino to accept a pretty serious accusation against his character without a fight. — Buxtebuddha

    I really appreciate that you think it's a serious accusation. I take it seriously. Agustino has made a lot of sexist remarks on this forum and we've gotten in the habit of ignoring it. I realize it can be hard to draw a line, but the suggestion that women want to be assaulted should clearly be recognized as a particularly ugly kind of sexism.

    I've never been much of a flagger, but when I'm here I'll start using it to point out offensive comments.

    I think most of the men on this forum are not sexist... which is awesome. The sexist ones just tend to be louder.
  • Sexism
    Now they have the education and opportunity. Are they as successful as men in terms of leadership capability? No. On average they'll probably never be as successful as men in terms of leadership, because again, they are just programmed differently biologically. Women don't want to dominate, to engage in conflict, etc. Why not? Because they have lower testosterone levels. Such desires are necessary for effective leadership, maybe less so in some areas of the world today, but fundamentally they are. Only 4.2% of Fortune 500 companies have a woman CEO. Really there's no competition, here, most women simply do not have the biological drive to compete with men in terms of leadership. They excel in other attributes - peace, compassion, emotional resilience etc. being some of them. — Agustino
  • Sexism
    ↪Baden


    How many do you want?

    I think women (in the modern age, and in the West) are NOT submissive to men.

    I think women (in the modern age, and in the West) are NOT submissive to men sexually, nor intellectually.

    I think philosophers are generally dominating. Indeed, being dominating is a trait required for success in philosophy.

    I think women should be more submissive (as should men by the way) than they currently are - generally speaking. I'm saying this just cause most people are bloody selfish at the moment - which is the opposite of submissive.

    I don't think women should be more submissive to men sexually, but neither should they use sex as a way of dominating men, which, unfortunately, I see more and more women doing in the West.

    Women should be more submissive to men intellectually than they currently are, on average, as men seem to make better decision makers. Why? Because men can be ruthless, aggressive and competitive much more frequently than women, traits which are required for making great decisions in the world. This largely has to do with biological makeup (testosterone).     — Agustino
  • Sexism
    ↪Thorongil
    So a little heads up on how this works: nobody gives a shit if you're sexist or racist or whatever. It's your speech and behavior that we care about. So if you keep yourself hired, your speech and behavior are acceptable.

    Likewise, I don't care if Agustino is sexist. I just want him to keep his sexist comments to himself. Now I know that at least Baden will delete his sexist crap. He knows it too.

    Yay!
  • Sexism
    ↪Thorongil
    Diversity training is provided to protect the company from law suits. It will work.
  • Sexism
    ↪Thorongil
    When you get your job you'll probably get diversity training. They'll explain it to you.
  • Sexism
    ↪Dogar
    I'm not trying to prove anything. I already got what I wanted.
  • Sexism
    ↪Thorongil
    Why are you asking me that? I don't feel like taxing myself. I was just following Baden's advice when I started this thread. He told me I should have notified a moderator when I first had concerns. I wanted to tell him that I had talked to one, but that nothing happened.
  • Sexism
    ↪John Harris
    He doesn't have co-workers because he's unemployed. But good point... again.
  • Sexism
    ↪Thorongil
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  • Sexism
    ↪Thorongil
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  • Sexism
    ↪Bitter Crank
    Anyway, I seemed to have gotten what I wanted, maybe. Agustino will temper his comments in future.

    I do actually resent your response. But I assume you have your reasons. Either way I'm done witcha.
  • Sexism
    Mongrel, are you experiencing thinning skin? — Bitter Crank

    Sigh. I guess nobody cares that I was making about point about the effect of apathy when I brought this up (in another thread).

    One of my first big life lessons was that complaining about sexism is pointless. I was working as an engineer at AT&T surrounded by guys. It was the mid-80s. Big shoulder pads. But thanks for wanting to give me a bit of heads up. Jesus. You know, I have noticed that you feel the need to register your apathy every time sexism or racism comes up. Odd.

    But you're likely to not achieve a great victory in this. — Bitter Crank

    You think? I wasn't expecting any. Baden told me to respond to his comments in the Feedback section. So I did.

    [Comment deleted. Flaming is against the rules]
  • Sexism
    ↪Agustino
    You're like Trump. The smart thing to do would be to say "Oh, I'm sorry you took my comments that way. I'll be more careful in future."

    That's all I really want.. stop saying sexist crap. But no. You've got to turn it back on me like I'm the villain.
  • Sexism
    ↪Lone Wolf
    He contributed quite a bit in a thread called something like 'Are women submissive to men?'

    Otherwise look at his comments from December of last year. Prior to Trump's taking office his reactionary views were flowing pretty freely.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    Some of the white supremacists (e.g., the Ku Klux Klan) also have a thing about Catholics who, in the United States, are mostly white. — Bitter Crank

    Most Catholics I meet have no idea how deep seated anti-Catholic sentiment once was and still is in some places. I knew a New Jersey Italian girl who was mystified that her future in-laws wouldn't come to the wedding if it was held in a Catholic Church.
  • Sexism
    ↪Lone Wolf
    You can look at his posting history by going to his profile.
  • Sexism
    Looks like somebody's buttons really got pushed...:) — John Harris

    Precisely.
  • Sexism
    ↪Lone Wolf
    I had it all up on twitter at one point. I took it down. His sexism is principled. He would like to see changes (I suppose throughout the world) wherein women lose everything they've gained in last century or so. He associates these views with religion.

    I would rather clean out the NYC sewer system than go rambling through his posts, but you can if you want. It's all there (unless he deleted it himself... which would great.)
  • Sexism
    ↪Lone Wolf
    The bulk of his sexist remarks were made a few months ago. He made a few more a few weeks ago.

    It's nice to know there won't be any more. I just have to remember to flag them when Baden is here. None of the others would do anything about it.
  • Sexism
    ↪Baden
    Me too.
  • Sexism
    ↪Baden
    Historically his sexist comments have been over the top, so I doubt that will be an issue.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    ↪BlueBanana
    So the the fact that Duke is your ally doesn't give you pause?
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    Unfortunately to you, I do care. As I have said, to me the statue represents freedom of speech and tolerance. — BlueBanana

    Your ally is David Duke. Are you ok with that?
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    ↪BlueBanana
    If we had a king who rules by divine right, we could just take his word. But Americans don't have one of those. We grapple.

    If you don't care one way or the other, then why not just let the people who do care deal with it?
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    ↪BlueBanana
    I'm offended by it. Confederate flags, monuments to southern participants... it's all the remnants of white supremacist crap. The slogan "The South will rise again" often accompanies it. It's a threat directed at all non-whites and Jews.

    How does anybody not know that?
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    All men were not equal or equally free at that point, so I don't know what you're saying. — Buxtebuddha

    It's a goal. A founding principle.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    I know. When that was written men only included white landowners, lol. — Buxtebuddha

    Are you talking about eligibility to vote? Lincoln was elected in 1860 if that helps you. Might want to read a history of your own country... I'm just sayin'
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    When this was written men only included white landowners. — Buxtebuddha

    I was quoting the Gettysburg Address, Popeye.

    I don't feel the need to judge his moral fiber. He's merely on one side of history, and that's all. — Buxtebuddha

    That's cool. You shouldn't have a problem with the removal of the statue, then.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    So what We the People stand for is tearing down things that we are offended by — Buxtebuddha

    No, Americans go overboard celebrating the offensive. That's actually partly why we like Trump, I think.

    "...our forefathers founded upon this continent a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

    Lee put himself on the wrong side of history.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    That isn't with Agustino! :’( — Buxtebuddha

    This is an example of how it works, actually. Agustino is sexist. If he had his way, people like me would be disenfranchised and peripheralized. The people who moderate this forum know that, but they don't care. Every time I see his posts, it just sinks in deeper and deeper with me: the moderators of this forum are just as sexist as he is. They have to be. Why else would they leave his nasty comments up?

    Same thing with the statue of Lee. The message it sends to both whites and blacks is counter to what We the People have declared we are and will be.

    But as I mentioned to you in PM.. if you make it about personality, you're right. Humanity is a bunch of flawed rascals.
  • The Cartesian Problem
    ↪mcdoodle
    As always, it depends on your presuppositions. Chomsky is saying that evidence points to language being an innate capability. That leads him to say there is one fundamental language. So Chomsky would be preoccupied with the way we can work around differences in languages. And (maybe provocatively) it implies that we understand each other because of this shared innate ability. So he owns internalism without qualification.

    Isn't that really the more prevalent viewpoint now?
  • The Cartesian Problem
    ↪mcdoodle
    As I read your last post I got this picture of a problem (for lack of a better word) appearing over and over in different guises. It's like a pendulum swinging or oceanic tides... an on-going dance between some form of naturalism and some form of idealism. Volition, qualia, boundlessness involved in a love/hate relationship with mechanical cause and effect.

    In the light of that, the Cartesian problem is a perennial problem. It turns out that it can't be merely in the context of Descartes' challenges that we understand his use of mind. But instead we recognize that he used that word for a reason. Grasping that reason isn't so straight forward because attempting to grasp it, one finds oneself enmeshed in holism.

    Chomsky insists that all languages have essentially the same features. In a sense, there is only one underlying language. This fundamental language is not a tool that developed for practical reasons. It's an expression of something basic about humanity. And for this reason, we can have some confidence that if we time-traveled to ancient Sumeria and struck up a conversation about mind with the locals, they would fairly easily understand what we mean, though the problems they deal with are very different from our own.
  • The Cartesian Problem
    Gravity was originally presented without any clarity about its essence or composition. So how is the concept understood? By understanding the bigger picture it's a part of.

    Same thing with mind? What is Descartes' bigger picture? What is the Cartesian problem?
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    Get more familiar. — Buxtebuddha

    Nah... My Civil War phase is long passed.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    ↪Buxtebuddha
    Um... I guess partly because I'm having difficulty believing you really don't see that a statue to Lee is offensive.

    But if you aren't just kidding around... that's helpful to me. I've been seeing a lot of sexism lately. Maybe the people doing it really don't understand why it's offensive and ugly. I guess that's possible.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    ↪Thorongil
    I'm pretty familiar with the topic. The war was over slavery.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    ↪Buxtebuddha
    Lee knew exactly what he was doing. If you want to honor him, build a statue for him in your backyard. Try concrete and beer bottles. That would be attractive.
  • Leave the statuary in place.
    ↪Thorongil
    I'm familiar with how he made his decision. He fought for the south and therefore he fought for slavery. This isn't controversial.
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