Collections of atoms exist independently of us, but that this collections of atoms is a car is not independent of us. — Michael
Some relevant science:
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..Kohler wear a pair of hand-engineered goggles. Inside those goggles, specially arranged mirrors flipped the light that would reach Kohler's eyes, top becoming bottom, and bottom top. — wonderer1
I'd argue that it is this type of reasoning that has led to the politicalization and delegitimization of much of media where you go only to your own personal trusted news source for any information. — Hanover
This isn't to say there's such a thing as a view from nowhere and that objectively can be established, but balanced reporting, where competing viewpoints are presented would be the goal. — Hanover
Authoritarianism has always been seen as the cure for the failure of the democratic institutions. — ssu
How do you know that it is in fact orange if you never see the orange?suppose the thing in the world is in fact orange, yet I always perceive it to be blue. It is true that I can never experience the thing in the world as it is, but this is irrelevant to my relationship with the world, as I always perceive the thing in the world to be as I perceive it to be, in this case, blue. — RussellA
I'm trying to extend it from the usual notion of "institutions" to something a bit more anarchic, but still reasonable. (at least I hope) — Moliere
The aesthetic attitude is restless, searching, testing - is less attitude than action: creation and re-creation.
What, though, distinguishes such aesthetic activity from other intelligent behavior such as perception, ordinary conduct, and scientific inquiry? One instant answer is that the aesthetic is directed to no practical end, is unconcerned with self-defense or conquest, with acquisition or necessities or luxuries, with prediction and control of nature. But if the aesthetic attitude disowns practical aims, still aimlessness is hardly enough. The aesthetic attitude is inquisitive, as contrasted with the acquisitive and self-preservative, but not all nonpractical inquiry is aesthetic. To think of science as motivated ultimately by practical goals, as judged or justified by bridges and bombs and the control of nature, is to confuse science with technology. Science seeks knowledge without regard to practical consequences, and is concerned with prediction not as a guide for behavior but as a test for truth. Disinterested inquiry embraces both scientific and aesthetic experience. — N. Goodman, Languages of Art (1976), p. 242
Yet Sweden is a perfect example of that huge transformations can happen without revolts and political turmoil and blood on the streets. — ssu
The poverty of peasants isn't at all a reason for there not to be peasant revolts, I'd say it's on the contrary! People that have nothing to lose can lose it. What would they lose if they have nothing to lose? Land ownership is something that makes people to take care of their property. Extreme poverty leads to a very shaky and violent society. — ssu
Objects become art through the artworld participating and dubbing them so. — Moliere
you aren't just seeing raw reality as it is — flannel jesus
What about the other illusion i mentioned? The one that doesn't involve a physical change of light, and must only happen in the brain. — flannel jesus
In Sweden there aristocracy was never dominant, they had to take into account the strong position of the peasants, who were independent. You can notice this from the fact that the Swedish peasantry have never revolted. — ssu
Ok well the scientific understanding of perception is very aware of the illusions I mentioned, so does that mean science is inherently self refuting? — flannel jesus
Maybe Philosophy of Art is an inquiry into why and how what is shown or is done by artists effects us as it does. — Ciceronianus
From time to time, I've wondered what art is, what an artist is, what the Philosophy of Art or Aesthetics is, for that matter. — Ciceronianus
What are others views on such topic from experience!? — Born2Insights
a definition — Arbü1237
Intentionality is typically defined as a certain type of conscious mental state, so intentionality requires consciousness either way. — Lionino
Is there in fact any substantive difference between PDR and Indirect Realism? — RussellA
-From the same SEP articlesomething like whiteness is instantiated, but in the experience itself, not a presented thing.
I don't think you're making a very compelling case that indirect realists need to have any special skepticism in regards to what they see. — flannel jesus
Direct Realists are immune to eye problems? — flannel jesus
The direct realist doesn't have BETTER reasons to think the red dot in their visual experience is caused by mars — flannel jesus
Disagree. Indirect and Direct Realism are part of epistemology. — RussellA
I think everyone should be sceptical, whether the Indirect or Direct Realist. Who wants to unquestionably believe everything they are told. — RussellA
I would think the representation is some collection of neurons in our brains firing with some relationship to a brainwave phase. However, I don't think it makes sense to say that "I see such a representation." At best I only vaguely imagine such a representation. — wonderer1
When looking up at the night sky, if the Direct Realist doesn't literally see dots in their visual field, what do they see? — RussellA
Similarly, the word "is" can be used in different ways in language... — RussellA
The problem with Direct Realism is that it assumes an identity between what is seen and the cause of what is seen. It assumes an identity between the bright dot and the planet Mars, such that the bright dot "is" Mars, otherwise the Direct Realist could not see the external world as it really is.
And if this is the case, in that the bright dot "is" the planet Mars, how can a bright dot in the visual field have a mass of 6.4∗1023kg? — RussellA
I really still don't 100% understand what direct realists mean when they say that they directly experience mars. — Ashriel
Searle defends direct realism.Does that place representationalism among direct-realist ideas or indirect? — flannel jesus
I think it's really interesting that Representationalism is claimed by both direct and indirect realists in various contexts. — flannel jesus
Link to source.If I believe that it is raining I can separate my belief from the fact that it is raining, but when I see the tree I cannot separate the visual experience from an awareness of the presence of the tree. This is true even if it is a hallucination and even if I know that it is a hallucination.
If nothing is experienced then what is the distinction between having an hallucinatory experience and not having an hallucinatory experience? — Michael
Under any normal use of language, things are experienced when we hallucinate (and when we dream); it's just that the experience isn't a consequence of external stimulation of the relevant kind. — Michael
hallucinatory and veridical experiences would be subjectively distinct — Ashriel
what postmodernism has to say about mathematics. — Tom Storm
the back-and-forth between radical sceptics and their opponents is perennial, rather than just a debate of the modern period. — Jamal