Sorry, it's the only answer I've got. Whether or not a person's life is "worth living" is one of the most personal questions I can imagine. I admit I also find it somewhat unsatisfactory, but it's the conclusion I've come to. I'm not convinced this can be objectively measured since so much of life is ultimately subjective.

>Like, literally, what are they talking about when they talk about electrons

My understanding is that electrons are electricity. A/C and D/C just describes the way the electrons "flow."

>But then, I face an ethical dilemma: is it ethical for me to do "Deep Ontology", if I can't even understand the science that talks about the base of Reality itself

I dont think the human mind is equipped to fully understand those things generally, and tbh I'm not entirely sure even quantum physicists really totally understand it. Just keep your humility and it should be fine, I'd think.

Yeah, getting down to that level can be a bit of a mindscrew sometimes. It's kind of like what we're discovering about the connection between the brain and the gut now, with how much your gut microbiome can affect mood and mental health and whatnot. All that bacteria and what not isn't technically part of you per se as it all has its own various unique dna and whatnot, and yet it's unique to you and is integral to how you live. So is it part of you? In some ways, do loved ones become a part of you once you're experiences with them allow for an internal approximation of their external self? Is all life part of some greater gestalt whole that we are not capable of fully understanding, in the way that the cell has no concept of being part of the body? I'm heading to bed soon so I'll be afk for a while, but now that I'm on the same page I think we can kick up some fun topics around this subject.

Got'cha. Then in that case, I've wrestled with the "Why is there" question quite a bit, and I think the answer to your question may be the same, at least for me.

Sum ergo sum. I am, therefore I am. There is something instead of nothing because something is there. You are what you are because that's what you are. On some level I think it's hard to mentally tackle because it's such a foundational truth, though maybe that's just me.

Although another direction to come at that question is, "What defines what you are? Where do you stop and other things begin? Are experiences you have but don't remember still a part of you?"

I think I may be understanding you now. It reminds me of something I brought up in another thread, the question of "Why is there something instead of nothing?" Where as your question seems to be "Why am I this and not something else?" if I understand correctly?

Thank you for elaborating. I asked because something in there sounded like experiences I have had with depersonalization/derealization, though perhaps I misunderstood. To be honest, I'm not as up on my terms as I should be, so I'm getting a little lost in your vocabulary. Can you explain it as if I were a child?

I may be getting the shape of it now. So is the experience that you are having something like a disconnect between the reality you are experiencing and your sensory perceptions of it? As if you are experiencing your life from "outside" somehow?

I'm just having a hard time grasping the experience you seem to be having. Can you describe it another way?

>But the “odd experience”, if you want to call it that, is that I (in particular, as an individual) experience their “logical modality”, so to speak, with such a violent, steamrolling force in my ordinary, everyday, day-to-day life, that from an ordinary perspective, those very same brute facts about my existence don’t seem contingent, they seem necessary (and to me, particularly, this is an enormous source of philosophical perplexity. Iexperience it “as such”, in some yet-to-be-defined way).

Can you elaborate on this further? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

I think that largely depends on what someone considers "god." However, in a similar vein, I think it's possible to prove the "soul" exists.

Assuming that the souls is:

1) an invisible force inside but separate from your body that

2) makes you who you are and

3) leaves your body upon death

then I think the "soul" can pretty easily be interpreted as the electricity in your body and the interplay it has with your various biological processes.

Hello! This is my first post, and of course I'm diving right into a heavy one! This is something I have considered a lot, actually, though obviously it's a tricky subject to talk about sometimes. I think the crux of the issue can be boiled down to a few things.

Q0) Does life have inherent value?

A0) Depends on the scale you're talking. Cosmically? Not really. Personally? Very much so. Spiritually? Obviously very debatable. I find there are a lot of different contradictory ways to answer this question, and how someone chooses to answer it tells you a bit about them.

Q1) Does life have value even when it isn't pleasant or is there a degree of unpleasantness to which death would be preferable?

A1) I feel like this is ultimately subjective, as the nature of suffering is personal and individual for the most part. From my perspective there are fates much worse than death, but I imagine everyone would have slightly different ideas on what that would be and some would disagree entirely.

Q2) If life does not have value when it is unpleasant, can value be generated or life be made less unpleasant?

A2) Again, ultimately subjective and/or due to circumstance. Fate is fickle though, so it's difficult to say with certainty if anything is truly unchangeable, so it's also difficult to advocate for walking away from the table when the game isn't over yet. Granted, I do also believe that sometimes a person can know when the only remaining move it to longer play. I just think that's a very personal decision.

Q3) If life does not have value, what is "the point" of anything?

A3) This is one I've personally struggled with, but I think it can rephrased and answered with another philosophical question I've chewed on over the years. "Why is there something instead of nothing?" can also be put "Why am I alive instead of dead?" And I think the answer then is simply "because you still are."

Ultimately, we are all surrounded at all times with a variety of ways to end our lives if we really really wanted to, and yet most people don't. Many don't ever even consider it. I believe to some degree life has a kind of momentum to it. So instead of "What is the point?", perhaps it's more like "What *is* the point." Being alive is to some degree, inherently self-affirming, or at least that's how I've tried to square that circle.

I think everyone comes up with reasons *why* they stay alive, be it religion, love, family, duty, honor, etc., Along the way, sometimes we lose those reasons, temporarily or permanently. Sometimes we find new reasons, sometimes we don't. However, I wonder if a lot of it really just boils down to "The argument against suicide is that you are alive to ask the question."