OK, I'll take a deep breath, squeeze very hard, and force those hay flicking cells back a year or two. — Bitter Crank

:up: :party: You da man!

Good people are glorified in society - books, poems, biographies, medals, certificates - but, here's where it gets interesting, also pitied and ridiculed, yes all at the same time, as naïve (read numskull/cretin/idiot/dunce/fool/etc.) and that means either a world of pain or an early grave. At this rate, in a coupla centuries, the only good person would be a dead person; evolution dictates that this is so.

The only explanation for good people still amongst us is memetics, not genetics. No wonder the physical world was deemed evil by gnostics? Please google for more info.

I'm feeling the effects of Hayflick's Limit. — Bitter Crank

:rofl: You can do it! C'mon!

Christianity has an explanation: Original sin which God punished by issuing a death sentence to Adam & Eve and their descendants viz. us. :snicker: That kinda squares with the fact that we put extreme criminals (those who've committed heinous crimes) to death.

What doesn't add up is our nociceptive system - why does it exist if not to prevent/avoid crossing the river Styx? Clearly, it isn't working all that well, oui mes amies?

Too, the whole thing reminds me of villainous masterminds killing all his/her subordinate henchman after a certain objective (more life i.e. offspring) is achieved. Jibes with the theory of evolution I'd say.

no machine can count to infinity — boethius

Isn't there a workaround for that?

10 Print "Take that $\infty$!"
20 Goto 10

:grin:

They did betray their own religions as all three of them claim to be religions of peace and they betrayed everyone's trust that these claims were true. — universeness

:up: Epic fail!

I'd gladly assist any billionaire, if it would help to release them from that great burden of having an endless supply of money. — Metaphysician Undercover

:grin: Forgive us mon ami for giving you this enormous responsibility, for assigning this disgusting task, to you but you are ... the chosen one!

:ok:

rapid decarbonization — Janus

:up: A quick solution, I like it; quite unfortunate that it doesn't appeal to you or to me.

But, then what about the "third world"? — Janus

The 3^rd world will have to be the bigger man so to speak.

Democratic governments will not promote energy frugality, because they know it will be unpopular. — Janus

There it is, the dark side of democracy.

It's a mental experiment where nobody observes — Babbeus

:chin:

No — bongo fury

:blush:

Wittgenstein does that to you! Oui?
— Agent Smith

Absolutely not. Wittgenstein is scrupulous. — bongo fury

Oh! Banno is the resident Wittgenstein scholar. I thought that was the explanation for his cryptic posts.

Heisenberg and Bohr cautioned against thinking of this as a physical process or having a "picture" view of what was going on. — jgill

On point! Like the famous chiliagon (1000-sided polygon) .

even though nobody observed it. — Babbeus

How do we know nobody observed? Wigner's friend? :chin:

Fallacy wise what we have here is the association fallacy.

Even so there's this old adage: A (wo)man is known by the company (s)he keeps.

Man is known by the company he keeps is a proverb. We will examine the meaning of the proverb a man is known by the company he keeps, where the expression came from, and some examples of its use in sentences.

A man is known by the company he keeps means that a person is similar to the people he chooses to spend time with; he will have the same character and moral standards as those he chooses to surround himself. A person usually associates with those he feels comfortable with and who are like him. The expression a man is known any the company he keeps is derived from a fable written by Aesop in the 500s B.C called The Ass and his Purchaser. In the story, a man takes an ass to his farm on a trial basis to see how the ass will fit in to his herd of asses. When the ass enters the pasture, he seeks out the laziest and greediest ass that the man owns to keep company. The man returns the ass because he knows it too will be lazy and greedy, based on the animal the ass chose to spend time with. The moral of the story is that a man is known by the company he keeps. — Grammarist

Pretty much. I'd trust a social worker with an actual drug history more to solve drug issues than someone that read it in a book. There's no replacement for experience where it concerns social issues. — Benkei

Street smarts trumps book smarts, eh? :up:

Muslims on one side and Hindus/Sikhs on the other — DA671

It looks like though Sikhism is a syncretism of Hinduism & Islam, it's more saffron than green.

I sense a pattern here (in the classical logic sense). The idea is to come up/discover a proposition whose falsehood would entail a contradiction. The cogito does just that. I have one viz. there are some truths.
— Agent Smith

Maybe using logic at all for this issue is misguided, because to use logic would imply assuming its validity as a source of knowledge, so we’d already assume an answer from the start — Hello Human

I know! It's a messy business and I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. Pagliacci scenario and also Woozle effect (Piglet + Pooh lookin' for a woozle which unbeknownst to them is them ! :snicker: ).

That's why we need (a) God. We must pray for the technological singularity. :grin:

I personally think is not funny at all. There are a lot of young people who die because of overdose every year...
— javi2541997

There's millions of people who do drugs and never die. There's millions of people who don't drown when swimming. There's billions of people who don't crash their car. All this reflects is a bias for negative deviation of the norm. — Benkei

You're only looking at mortality stats; what about morbidity? Dying of an overdose is just the tip of the iceberg, oui monsieur?

Diffraction?

Perspectives will vary — DA671

:up:

We have totally different concepts of life. — javi2541997

Most interesting. — Ms. Marple

Something ... something ... going on here.

Mystical babble. — bongo fury

:chin: Wittgenstein does that to you! Oui?

For (our) piece of mind's sake, no doubt. My guess is that's very unlikely; it seems more likely they (ETI) have discovered, even rediscovered, us (Earth) and passed by on their way to more interesting destinations. :smirk: — 180 Proof

Yep, that's a possibility. We're, well, inedible/ignorable! :snicker: People do disappear under mysterious circumstances though. :chin:

I'm a bit disappointed the drug test turned out negative to be honest. — Benkei

:rofl:

Reminds me of the recent Batman movie (2022). :snicker:

A title for a research paper: How movies shape mindsets.

An aspect of being a human (self) is to be virtuous (good) and yet we stand apart from the rest of life as being capable of the worst, we can go toe to toe with The Devil himself! Oh well!

Ubi vita, ibi dolor?

See you in the Lounge. — jgill

:rofl:

You hit the bullseye! That's why...

Shut up and calculate. — N. David Mermin

Why do you think it's the way it is? What's so incomprehensible about QM? Is it because when we translate the math (equations) into English we end up with gibberish (read contradictions)? As far as I can tell, there's a translation issue at the heart of so-called quantum weirdness. In short the problem is linguistic (mistranslations).

Great post! I second the motion that philosophy has a stake in QM; at a bare minimum the philosophy of language wise.

---

Zeno's paradox was "solved" using mathematics (of the summation of infinite series). :chin:

Mayhaps we should mathematize the liar sentence and other paradoxes as well, oui mes amies?

Explain please. — schopenhauer1

I'm no good at that! All I can say is that to impose one's wishes, including but not limited to thinking on someone's behalf, herein the child to be born, amounts to treating the child as if s/he were an inanimate object (like robots). That's unethical, oui?

Huh? — schopenhauer1

:smile:

I sense a pattern here (in the classical logic sense). The idea is to come up/discover a proposition whose falsehood would entail a contradiction. The cogito does just that. I have one viz. there are some truths.

:up: Gloomy Guses & Negative Nancies please converge on this post by javi2541997.

Superb!

we are doomed to our fate. — Metaphysician Undercover

Fantabulous!

Are we ready for ET? — OP

If you mean have we anything to brag about?, no! If you mean, can we defend ourselves from an invasion?, still no! In the latter case, they (little green men) maybe counting on us not being ready in any sense of that word!

It’s not bound by a human or animal condition. How does ethics apply? You tell me. Besides that it merely exists. — schopenhauer1

Good point! :up:

Ethics applies to imposition simpliciter as it seems to treat human beings as robots! :chin:

Trans people: Desire (I want to be a man/woman) - Identity (I am a man/woman) confusion.

I want to be good (a man/woman) but that doesn't make me good (a man/woman), oui?