Maybe Stoicism isn’t so bad after all… — Jamal

I think even the Stoics would worry if they heard frogs and turtles talking.

I disagree.

McDonald Chump says that he’ll be arrested on Tuesday. Certainly, there will be riotous angry crowds...

... chanting “lock him up!”

Trump claims that he will be arrested next week

My prediction for the future - Trump goes to Russia and get's asylum from Putin. That would be a joke except I'm not sure it won't happen.

A bad conscience is more easily borne than a bad reputation.

A bad conscience is more easily borne than a bad reputation. — Jamal

Oscar Wilde or Chat GPT?

I’m reading Nietzsche, and because every page has something interesting, outrageous, amusing, or thrustingly penetrating, I feel like sharing his insights as if they were my own.

There is as much egoism in magnanimity as there is in revenge

There is as much egoism in magnanimity as there is in revenge — Jamal

What we mean by selfishness is a lack of altruism, not a lack of personal motivation.

Thus spoke Hanoverusthia

Maybe empathy works better than altruism in my above amorphism.

Speaking of which...

Is Nietzsche correct that our adherence to our morality is voluntary subjugation to the ruling class that weakly pretends to live up to our same standards?

Trump as a for example.

Is he the ubermensch, living by his master morality to ultimate success while we just sort of watch in horror through our slave morality lenses?

The fruits of rage are sweeter than the bitterness of restraint.

That did sound very Wildeish. Here's another Wildeish one: "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you". But upon checking with Quote Investigator® it seems that several people are credited. "The playwrights George Bernard Shaw, Oscar Wilde, and Charles Ludlam" specifically. (Who is Charles Ludlam? He starred in Pink Narcissus, "An erotic poem set in the fantasies of a young male prostitute". He was in better known films as well.)

Shaw or Wilde. Don't know enough about Ludlam. Several other people have been credited with this quote too, but that was many years after its attribution to Shaw or Wilde.

QUESTION: Is "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you" a JTB?

“When we love a woman we quickly come to have an antipathy towards nature, when we recall all the disgusting natural functions to which every woman is subject.”

Nietzsche’s insights about women are not so strong as the others.

ubermensch — Hanover

Leo Rosten says the opposite of an ubermensch is an uberunmensch.

The opposite of a “Mensch” is an “Unmensch” — meaning, according to the Duden: a brutal, violent person, a monster and a barbarian, a brute, a creep, a swine and an Arschloch (arsehole, yep)

:lol:

The good thing about Nietzsche quotes is if you haven't got a book to hand there's a good chance you can make something up and get away with it.

Nietzsche’s insights about women are not so strong as the others. — Jamal

Reminds me of this:

Watch until the end.

To be fair to Fred, he develops his disgust into a proto-Freudian explanation for the antipathy for the body that we see in most philosophers throughout history. Male philosopher, disgusted by his menstruating girlfriend, comes to hate nature because of this and works out theories in which nature is low and the soul is high. Thus we see the scope for a Nietzschian feminist critique of the philosophical tradition.

Chicken shawarma.

“When we love a woman we quickly come to have an antipathy towards nature, when we recall all the disgusting natural functions to which every woman is subject.”

Nietzsche’s insights about women are not so strong as the others. — Jamal

There's a name for that.... what is it now... Oh, yes. Understatement. Them damn women and their disgusting natural functions corrupting our precious bodily fluids.

You’re doing my head in with all these videos. 40 seconds for the page to load.

Ok, found a working VPN. 15 seconds.

My prediction for the future - Trump goes to Russia and get's asylum from Putin. That would be a joke except I'm not sure it won't happen. — T Clark

Oh geez... didn’t even think of that one. Entirely possible for him to make a run for the border if facing a long prison sentence. Would be ironic if he sought refuge in another country, as welcoming as he is to Mexicans. But somehow he will probably elude serious prison time. He’s slipperier than an eel getting a hot oil massage.

To be fair to Fred, — Jamal

Speaking of Fred.

You’re doing my head in with all these videos. 40 seconds for the page to load. — Jamal

Maybe better with videos to have a regular link, rather than the video imbedding?

Good boy Fred.

Thanks yes, but I’m not expecting everyone on TPF to adjust their posting behaviour just because I have a page load problem. I curse you all but only privately.

Trump as a for example.

Is he the ubermensch, living by his master morality to ultimate success while we just sort of watch in horror through our slave morality lenses? — Hanover

The only thing I like about him is his wife.
- Groucho Marx (maybe :nerd: )

Ok great... hey, wait a minute! :joke:

Recovered from the finger DL, going to the store to buy for tomorrow's meal:

Italian wedding soup
Goat cheese and grilled pepper sandwiches on fresh baked ciabatta
Mediterranean salad with feta

Maybe chocolate dipped biscotti for dessert. That'd be a nice touch.

QUESTION: Is "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you" a JTB? — BC

Is it a Justified True Belief? Hmm, the quote sounds just a little melodramatic; no surprise if it came from Wilde or Shaw. Maybe not actually “kill you”. Perhaps just a mild stoning. And who doesn’t enjoy being stoned from time to time? Reminds me of the saying “smile when you say that!”

Is "When you tell people the truth make them laugh -- otherwise they will kill you" a JTB? — BC

Is it a Justified True Belief? — 0 thru 9

JTB—Jocular True Belief.