• StreetlightX
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    I dunno I thought the opportunity to be something less than pure scum would be jumped at, especially considering the fact that Trump is shitting all over their precious amendments rights now, but I guess not.
  • Benkei
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    All your cynicism nothwithstanding, deep down you're still an optimist.
  • Benkei
    3.2k
    So Biden is against defunding the police. Great way of wasting an opportunity to consolidate a lead. Do Democrats want to lose? I mean, at least lie about it like every other politician just to get the goddamn votes.
  • Echarmion
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    So Biden is against defunding the police. Great way of wasting an opportunity to consolidate a lead. Do Democrats want to lose? I mean, at least lie about it like every other politician just to get the goddamn votes.Benkei

    I am not sure supporting defunding the police is going to win relevant votes. Bidens team presumably regards PoC as a captive voting block. He doesn't think he needs to do work to get those votes, and he may very well be right about that.

    "Defund the police" just isn't a good slogan to get behind if you want to get the votes of middle aged white people.
  • Benkei
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    How about, I think it's an interesting idea. Defund the police is, in my view, a way of saying that we need to more effectively address social problems.

    That means not everything that happens is a police problem. We should have healthcare workers, social workers and other civil servants work more closely with the police and look much closer at prevention of crime and how to do that. If you send the police out for every problem, it's like taking a hammer out for every job... Even when you sometimes need a screwdriver or wrench.

    I believe doing this will automatically mean police time and effort will be used much more effectively and efficiently, lead to lower crime in our communities and better living circumstances for everyone.

    Acceptable enough for the sensibilities of those poor white middle aged couples?
  • Baden
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    Biden needs independents. So, it doesn't matter how nuanced his position is, the GOP attack line will be "Crazy leftie Biden wants to defund the police!" And his campaign knows that, so not going to happen.
  • Benkei
    3.2k
    Right. So because you're afraid of your opponent you're just not going to stand for anything? Wonderful. No wonder the US needs riots to get some shit done.
  • Baden
    10.6k


    Politics... :vomit:
  • Marchesk
    3.6k
    Biden can just run on, "You ain't black if you vote for Trump", and, "I promise you, the president has a big stick. I promise you."

    I'm looking forward to the debates between the two of them.
  • Xtrix
    925
    Do Democrats want to lose?Benkei

    The DNC made it quite clear, after consolidating around Biden, that they'd rather lose the election than lose their party to Sanders. I'm hoping for the sake of the country that Biden still prevails, but it should become clearer and clearer what a stupid decision that was.
  • jgill
    642
    I'm hoping for the sake of the country that Biden still prevails, but it should become clearer and clearer what a stupid decision that was.Xtrix

    I think Val Deming can provide necessary guidance to Sleepy Joe. :cool:
  • 180 Proof
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    Rep. Val Demings, D-FL
    Gov. Gretchen Witmer, D-MI
    Rep. Veronica Escobar, D-TX
    Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-MN
    FLOTUS Michelle Obama, D-IL
    180 Proof
    Update:

    Rep. Karen Bass, D-CA
  • ssu
    2.8k
    So Biden is against defunding the police. Great way of wasting an opportunity to consolidate a lead. Do Democrats want to lose? I mean, at least lie about it like every other politician just to get the goddamn votes.Benkei
    Remember that Joe Sixpack isn't like Daan, the Heineken drinker, from your country.

    Biden's objective now is to get those never-Trumper Republicans, who after voting for Donald (in their disgust of Hillary) now feel they are actually never-Trumpers or born again never-Trumpers. But they are still Republicans, so I guess Joe won't go "full Bernie/AOC".
  • Enai De A Lukal
    98


    Is Karen Bass considered a serious contender now (I haven't really been following the VP speculation very closely)? She's the best one I've heard floated yet, by a pretty wide margin. Get out of here with this Amy Klobuchar bullshit... but Karen Bass? Hell yes. She's the real deal, at least so far as I can tell.
  • 180 Proof
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    May be wishful thinking on my part, and you're right she is the real deal.
  • Pfhorrest
    2.5k
    3) Nail down universal health care.tim wood

    Unfortunately this isn’t something Biden could personally make happen, unlike most of the rest of your list. That’s something that will take both houses of congress to accomplish.
  • Key
    21
    6) Reverse every rule, law, directive issued by the Trump's administration. I cannot think of one that is not rotten, obscene, disgusting, and corrupt.tim wood
    Surely this is for lack of trying? Does a broken clock not happen to coincide with a serviceable clock on occasion?
  • Baden
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    Assuming Biden is elected, here are a few things he could immediately do that would make me feel better. In no special order.

    1) Close Guantanemo

    2) Commute the sentences of prisoners, mostly black women, sentenced under harsh mandatory sentencing guidelines for minor drug offenses.

    3) Nail down universal health care.

    4) Immediately fully reinstate effective as of their date of being fired or reduced every federal employee fired by or forced to resign or reassigned by Trump not for legitimate cause. Think Sally Yates, for example, and Marie Yovanovich and Alexander Vindman and Andrew McCabe, et al.

    5) Announce a full, complete, comprehensive criminal investigation of all things and persons Trump. Not as a witch hunt, but as a combined effort to identify crimes and criminals and punish them, fully document the history, exonerate any who can be, and within the history to identify the lies and the liars, and the cost of the lies. That is, to heal wounds, they have to be cleaned out.

    5, i) For example, Trump presumably files and pays taxes. Either he has broken laws or he hasn't. There is much anecdotal evidence that he's almost never met a law he didn't break. Did he break any tax laws, and if he did, he needs proportional punishment. And if he did not, if a complete investigation of his taxes across years reveals he broke no laws, well then, good for him! But I doubt that's the case.

    6) Reverse every rule, law, directive issued by the Trump's administration. I cannot think of one that is not rotten, obscene, disgusting, and corrupt.

    7) Commit to reuniting every child separated from their families by Trump, and provide - or at least offer - citizenship to each such child and his or her family.

    8) Invite the Mexican government to officially participate in a wall-destruction program. A joint artillery exercise where possible would be nice! But repudiation by total destruction.

    edit, forgot one.
    9) Review all appointments under Trump to the federal judiciary, disqualifying - and prosecuting - for cause any found to have lied about their qualifications, or for any other appropriate reason.

    And anything anyone thinks should be added. Of course Biden's administration will have a lot to do that has little or nothing to do with Trump. But this listing should be limited to just those things he should do to repair and rehabilitate after the disease that is Trump.
    tim wood
  • Wheatley
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    @tim wood I'm really optimistic about the US recovery under Biden, especially when the Trump wreck really hurts the Republican party. The real problem is that we're still going to face a largely unproductive segment of the US population that won't go away even after Trump's demise.
  • Wheatley
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    He may not have Trump's charisma, but he seems pretty put together.
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