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Oh I love Jacky Deep he was very good in Star Wars

That's not really how things played out as I understand it. In Western society, for example, it's theorized that religion was instrumental in state-building, but it did so by essentially weakening tribal social bonds and altering the nature of property ownership to be more impersonal. Also, leadership in democratic states can't be above the rule of law, and neither can religion. Clearly, religion is still influential in politics though it doesn't have the power that it once had. — praxis

Humans evolved; and for the longest time they lived as hunter gatherers in tribes between 40-120 strong. They had a tribal heirarchy; led by alpha males - who, to greater or lesser degrees, monopolized food and sexual opportunity.

Later, we have multi-tribal societies - leading to civilisations, city states, empires, nations. So how did humans make that transition originally? Given the heirarchical structure of ther hunter gatherer tribe; and the priviledges enjoyed by alpha males, how could any two such structures join together into a single cohesive whole?

Given the ubiquity of religious concepts to ancient civilisations, we can project backward in time - to events lost in the mists of history, to suppose - with a reasonable degree of certainty, that they overcame tribal dynamics by adopting the same idea of God.

What you're talking about; religion in Western society, occurs around 40,000 years after what I'm talking about - and after the fall of Rome in the west, reversed progress for about a thousand years, until civilisation flourished again.

It's actually quite interesting, because the fall of Rome, and long interregnum of the dark ages, followed by rediscovery of ancient knowledge as a consequence of the Crusades from about 1000 AD, gave Europeans a classicist perspective, with truth, knowledge, philosophy, medical knowledge - a backward looking endeavour. Interesting, but a different kettle of sausages altogether!

You might want to update your history reading.

Closing arguments today - might be worth your time; you'd get everything niclely summed up for you, and maybe then understand how this situation was fomented and enabled by an unquestionable MeToo hysteria - that in my view, is a post-modernist, neo marxist, identity politics, zero sum power game that uses people insofar as they can be cast as victims, to attack to the invariably straight white male oppressor!

Why I hate it so much is because they don't really care about the rights of the identity interest groups they pitch against Western civilisation. Like the greens don't really care about sustainability; because if they did, they'd have been calling for the application of Magma Energy technology from 1982 onward - not stop this, tax that, pay more and have less. It's anti-capitalism using sustainability as a weapon; just as MeToo is using Amber Heard and people like her as a weapon. And it's a zero sum power game; for them to win, everyone has to lose!

Oh I love Jacky Deep he was very good in Star Wars — Streetlight

Yeah, he was. I think it's so unfair when people call Deep a bloated, drug addled, child who has lost all control in the manner of his hero Cunter S Fuksom.

↪karl stone You might want to update your history reading. — Jamal

You update my history reading; I'm done; I've crafted a philosophy I'm happy with - one allows me to analyse and comprehend in morally moderate and epistemically valid terms, that which I happen across - in what must surely be the autumn of my life! Given the snarky, but sematically empty nature of your remark I can safely assume you're little more than a child, and so I encourage you to pick up where I left off! Best of luck to you!

I guess that's fair. I won't go into much detail but I will say that your conception of the following are wanting:

1. Hunter-gatherer societies: the applicability of "alpha males" is disputed and unscholarly, and the idea that they were distinctively hierarchical goes against modern research.

2. The dark ages: the idea that it was the Church that reversed progress, or that the dark ages were as dark as claimed, again goes against modern historical research.

But given that you've crafted a "philosophy" you're happy with, updating it is not an option for you.

How's that for snark? :grin:

Modern research? If by that you mean post-modern neo-Marxist research - that blithely denies biological fact to undermine concepts like heirachy - then, yeah, that's really modern! Utter bollocks, but super-duper modern!

I'm aware the Dark Ages didn't cast Europeans all the way back to the stone age; but Europe did lose greek and roman philosophy, atroloogy, math, construction methods - and so on and on, and have to reinvent a lot of these things independently. And it's also true that the Crusades from 1000 AD returned lost Greek and Roman knowledge to Europe - because that was the basis upon which the Papal Court of the Inquisition was founded around 1200 AD.

post-modern neo-Marxist — karl stone

Ah, now it makes sense

"Postmodernism is characterized by self-referentiality, epistemological relativism, moral relativism, pluralism, irony, irreverence, and eclecticism."

Or to put it another way, post modernism mocks that which it cannot understand.

Hamlet - act 1 scene 5 - there are greater things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Post modernist Hamlet - there are greater things in my philosophy than are dreamt of in heaven and earth!

Postmodernism is characterized by self-referentiality, epistemological relativism, moral relativism, pluralism, irony, irreverence, and eclecticism. — karl stone

Like this:

This is Warhol - a print of Chairman Mao from 1972 - and it's postmodernist art. I don't know what you mean by 'like this' - I'm talking about philosophy, not art. The medium of philosophy is ideas, not paint on canvas. I don't like the image; if that's what you're asking. Mao killed tens of millions of people; and I find the conflation of pop art and genocidal mass murder utterly nauseating. Post modernist philosophy does with a pallette of serious and important ideas - exactly what this print does with paint and canvas.

This is gold

This is gold — Jamal

Would you care to elaborate?

No? Okay then. I will. By saying 'this is gold' of my remarks, your implication is that Warhol's depiction of Mao is mockery, but that's not the case. It's a nauseating post modernist tribute to a mass murderer - many times more genocidal than Hitler.

"Warhol’s depiction of Mao was set in motion by President Richard Nixon’s visit to China, an event which was widely publicised on the world’s media stage in its quest to end years of diplomatic isolation between the two nations. Bruno Bischofberger, Warhol’s long-time dealer and supporter in Zurich, also encouraged Warhol to return to painting by making portraits of the man he saw to be the most important figure of the 20th century. The cult of Mao pervaded the Cultural Revolution of 1966–1976 with the Chairman’s image becoming the focus of political propaganda disseminated throughout China during this time. This inescapable ubiquity of Mao’s image instantly attracted Warhol, who drew comparisons with his own screen prints of iconic figures as he remarked, “I have been reading so much about China. They’re so nutty. They don’t believe in creativity. The only picture they ever have is of Mao Zedong. It’s great. It looks like a silkscreen.”

Warhol therefore chose to base his portrayal of Mao on the Communist leader’s internationally recognisable official portrait that was illustrated on the cover of the widely circulated 1966 publication Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong, also known as the Little Red Book. Between 1972 and 1973 Warhol created 199 Mao paintings in five set scales across five individual series, in addition to a series of 10 screen prints. The prints employ a broad spectrum of vivid colours that are synonymous with the printmaking technique and aesthetic of Warhol’s most renowned work."

https://www.myartbroker.com/artist-andy-warhol/collection-mao

Mao liquidating the landlords was pretty cool

Post modernist philosophy does with a pallette of serious and important ideas - exactly what this print does with paint and canvas. — karl stone

Provides a realistic picture?

This is gold — Jamal

Would you care to elaborate? — karl stone

Gold is a chemical element with the symbol Au (from Latin: aurum) and atomic number 79

Provides a realistic picture? — Baden

I was thinking more about popularisation in a context of such complete moral relativism as to be at best vacuous, and at worst complicit!

Jack Sparrow and Aquawoman gaslit each other exactly 343 times over the course of their seven-year long relationship! That is an average of almost once a week! I know this because I have watched all 686 hours of their trial. Did you know 686 is twice 343! Learn more about the philosophy of mathematics by tuning in daily to the Shoutbox, where we keep you updated on the shit you need to know! — Baden

Speaking of posts, did you know Jacky Depp and Amber Bird are currently fighting for custody of a Victorian lamp post worth six million dollars? Learn more about 19th century philosophy by tuning in daily to the Shoutbox! — Baden

Bambi Herd was a lovely child. Someone should have kept her out of Hollywood. :sad:

I was thinking more about popularisation in a context of such complete moral relativism as to be at best vacuous, and at worst complicit! — karl stone

Oh, right. Well, at least he didn't do Hitler.

This is gold — Jamal

Would you care to elaborate? — karl stone

It's a bad idea to put words into the capo di tutti i capi's mouth, but I think the Administrator Formerly Known as Jamalrob is saying that, although it is unworthy of us to make fun of members, your smug, self-righteous, and intellectually unsupported responses make it so we don't have to feel bad when we do.

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