• Janus
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    Agreed regarding some kinds of thought and belief,creativesoul

    Note I said "thoughts" and "beliefs" and you responded using "thought" and "belief". I have been referring to thought as 'thinking' and belief as "believing". So, in my terms a thought or a belief, being defined as a determinate entity, must be linguistically framed; whereas thought and belief, or thinkings and believings need not be so framed.
  • creativesoul
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    I have been referring to thought as 'thinking' and belief as "believing".Janus

    Not my problem.
  • creativesoul
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    So, in my terms a thought or a belief, being defined as a determinate entity, must be linguistically framed; whereas thought and belief, or thinkings and believings need not be so framed.Janus

    The term "thought" can refer to either a plurality of thoughts, or a single one. It can also be used to refer to what one is doing when they are sitting around contemplating their own mental ongoings.

    When the discussion is based upon what counts as a single thought, it goes into the direction of content. That's where I've been and will stay.

    I've set out the necessary and sufficient conditions for each and every sense of each and every word ever spoken and/or written, regardless of the individual particulars.

    Belief must be meaningful. Thought must be meaningful. All meaning consists entirely of correlations being drawn by a capable agent. The capability consists of something to become sign/symbol, something to become significant/symbolized, and an agent to draw a correlation between the two... All meaning is attribution, and that's precisely how it's done.

    Now what?
  • Janus
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    No, your problem is that you're not interested in anyone else's thoughts and beliefs, even when they are patently more coherent than your own.
  • creativesoul
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    Got either an argument or a valid criticism of the ones I've been putting forth?

    I'm not interested in such petty bullshit.
  • creativesoul
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    We agree that one can believe stuff and think stuff and that doing so doesn't require being framed(taken account of).
  • Janus
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    The term "thought" can refer to either a plurality of thoughts, or a single one.creativesoul

    No, the term "thought" refers to the process of thinking; it is the noun equiavelnt to the verb "thinking, in other words. The term "a thought" refers to a single thought, and the term "some thoughts" refers to a plurality of thoughts.
  • Janus
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    It's not "petty bullshit" but suggested refinements, for the sake of greater clarity, of your inadequate terms.
  • creativesoul
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    No, your problem is that you're not interested in anyone else's thoughts and beliefs, even when they are patently more coherent than your own.Janus

    That is not a suggested refinement. That's petty bullshit.
  • creativesoul
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    Your charge of inadequacy requires more than just gratuitous assertion.
  • Janus
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    That's right, it's a goad to motivate you to pay attention to suggested refinements.
  • Janus
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    More adequate terms are more precise in that they enable more distinctions and acknowledge more subtle distinctions.
  • creativesoul
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    Provide some, and make sure that these purported 'refinements' are both necessary and/or warranted.

    Show the flaw. You've done nothing hitherto aside from teetering upon the fence of equivocation.
  • creativesoul
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    I've clarified everywhere you've asked. I said nothing wrong before your asking. Your misattribution of meaning does not count as a problem with the arguments I've provided.
  • creativesoul
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    The term "thought" can refer to either a plurality of thoughts, or a single one.
    — creativesoul

    No, the term "thought" refers to the process of thinking; it is the noun equiavelnt to the verb "thinking, in other words. The term "a thought" refers to a single thought, and the term "some thoughts" refers to a plurality of thoughts.
    Janus

    Evidently the term "term" refers to more than one. By my lights, not everything captured by quotation marks counts a being a term.

    See how this works?

    "A" is a term. "Thought" is a term. "A thought" is two terms captured between quotations.
  • Janus
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    From Google search, here:
    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=term+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=amyCWq6XL83N8gealryYAw

    Term
    təːm/
    noun
    noun: term; plural noun: terms

    1.a word or phrase used to describe a thing or to express a concept, especially in a particular kind of language or branch of study.
    "the musical term ‘leitmotiv’"
    synonyms: word, expression, phrase, turn of phrase, idiom, locution; More
  • creativesoul
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    Sigh...

    Got an argument or valid criticism/refutation?
  • creativesoul
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    Step one...

    Grant the terms.
  • creativesoul
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    I suggest that you refine your use of the term "term"...
  • creativesoul
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    Sigh...

    Got an argument or valid criticism/refutation?
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