• _db
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    Thanks, I needed that extension, busy weekend
  • Amity
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    Thoughts welcome.
    Following a discussion in the Shoutbox re Short Story Competition and apparent lack of interest:

    We could actually do that, have a short story section were anyone can post anytime, but that's more or less already catered for on the "Get Creative" thread, — Baden


    :up: Wonder what the story writers think ? As well as the competition - an opportunity all year round ?

    I would like to see a distinct Short Story section. To include threads or discussions of stories by TPF writers and the more well-known and published. Recommendations as in 'Currently Reading' with short comments or analyses as in the competition.

    The 'Get Creative' thread caters for all kinds of creativity. It's good but not enough.

    See earlier post:

    Philosophy of Literature...of Fiction...Philosophy of Art? Books and Papers? Aesthetics?
    Where can TPF creative authors and other recommendations find a permanent home ?

    Somewhere other than a one-off competition relegated to The Lounge.
    The Lounge where discussions deemed unworthy are binned.

    I know there is a Creativity thread out there somewhere but stuff gets lost.
    — Amity
  • jamalrob
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    Wonder what the story writers think ? As well as the competition - an opportunity all year round ?Amity

    My first instinct: it wouldn't have the energy, focus, and fun of these competitions and would only detract from what we have here now.
  • Amity
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    My first instinct: it wouldn't have the energy, focus, and fun of these competitions and would only detract from what we have here now.jamalrob

    I agree there wouldn't be the same narrow time frame; the frenetic rush to read, comment and vote. Some would welcome that. I know I would.
    I doubt I will participate as fully next time, if at all.

    How would it detract ? You've seen the value and the revelations while reading.
    A Short Story isn't just for Christmas :sparkle:
    And the section would contain more than what we have here now...

    I've said similar before and this will be the last time.
    Thanks for listening...again.
  • jamalrob
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    Well, it's worth trying. I could be wrong.
  • Baden
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    I think we could do something along those lines. Just need to drum up a bit more community support for it.
  • john27
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    I think it could be super interesting, just depends if people are willing to make it work or not. I'd like it though.
  • Pinprick
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    @Amity @jamalrob

    Personally, I like the bi-annual contest better. Just the fact that it’s an “event” makes it feel special and different. And my concern is that if it was its own section that could be posted in year round, it would become overwhelming; much like the music thread is now. Lots of people post lots of music, but there’s almost no interaction. It’s just too much to keep up with. Plus, suppose there’s a member here that writes a lot of short stories compared to others. Then the thread turns into “Member X’s short story thread.” I’d at least like to see how the next summer solstice competition goes before scrapping the idea. Maybe it being the holidays and there being double the number of submissions has an effect on voter participation this time.
  • 180 Proof
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    :up:

    @Amity @jamalrob @Baden re: 4 contests / year?
    i. spring equinox (march),
    ii. summer solstice (june),
    iii. fall equinox (september)
    iv. winter solstice (december)
  • god must be atheist
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    What about 3.5 contests per year?
    1. January 5, my birthday.
    2. November 7, the anniversary of the great Russian Bolshevik October Proletarian Glorious Socialist Revolution.
    3. Armistice day, Viet Nam war
    4. Friday, when Robinson Crusoe acquired his slave servant.
  • Amity
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    I think that it could be worth a shot. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
    I was encouraged by your discussion with @Tobias starting here:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/640878

    You and @Baden will know best where and how this could be done, if at all.
  • Amity
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    Just need to drum up a bit more community support for it.Baden

    ''If you build it, they will come''.
    Perhaps.

    I see it as a way to encourage/build interest not only in the Short Story Competition but also another way of doing philosophy. Practising skills required.
    Not gonna push it any more. It's in the hands of the gods...
  • Amity
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    just depends if people are willing to make it work or not. I'd like it though.john27

    Yes. A forum or sub-forum is only as good as the time, effort and energy of people allow.
    Motivation can be low until someone inspirational comes along.
    We have more than our fair share here.
    I want to take the short story out of the lounge. Under or in what sub-forum, I don't know.
  • Amity
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    What exactly are you signing approval :up: for ?
  • 180 Proof
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    This:
    I would like to see a distinct Short Story section. To include threads or discussions of stories by TPF writers and the more well-known and published. Recommendations as in 'Currently Reading' with short comments or analyses as in the competition.Amity
  • Amity
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    Personally, I like the bi-annual contest better. Just the fact that it’s an “event” makes it feel special and different. And my concern is that if it was its own section that could be posted in year round, it would become overwhelming; much like the music thread is now. Lots of people post lots of music, but there’s almost no interaction. It’s just too much to keep up with. Plus, suppose there’s a member here that writes a lot of short stories compared to others. Then the thread turns into “Member X’s short story thread.” I’d at least like to see how the next summer solstice competition goes before scrapping the idea. Maybe it being the holidays and there being double the number of submissions has an effect on voter participation this time.Pinprick

    Thanks for your thoughts.
    I should have taken time to clarify my original post.

    It's not proposing an either/or but both.
    A separate area shouldn't become overwhelming; it's not a single thread to be added on to.
    There would be interaction if posters interact as in the competition comments.
    Interesting recommendations or resources would be kept together.
    You wouldn't need to 'keep up with' anything.
    Again, it wouldn't be a single thread. It would contain several covering whatever is relevant to the short story genre and philosophy. If a member has his own thread within this, I don't see a problem ?

    'there being double the number of submissions' - yes, should there be a limited number - if not, then more time required to read ?

    The competition isn't to be scrapped. However, as it stands, there seems little interest.
    How do you persuade others of the value ?
  • Amity
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    Thanks. How do you suggest that is accomplished ?
  • jamalrob
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    I think that it could be worth a shot. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
    I was encouraged by your discussion with Tobias starting here:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/640878
    Amity

    :up:

    You and Baden will know best where and how this could be done, if at allAmity

    I'll ruminate.
  • jamalrob
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    Well, I guess we're talking about a new sub-category, "Short Stories", within the Symposium category, yes? That way it won't be hidden like the Lounge.

    Stories would be sent to one of the two or three Short Story admins and then published in Short Stories. Otherwise new discussions would be closed to members. There could be a discussion thread too. Basically it would be like the competitions but without deadlines and polls (it wouldn't be pinned at the top either).

    Is that about right?
  • Amity
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    Is that about right?jamalrob

    Just about and a bit more :wink:

    "Short Stories", within the Symposium category, yes? That way it won't be hidden like the Lounge.jamalrob

    The competition is stickied in the Symposium category but doesn't it get stuck back in the Lounge when it's over ? So, in essence hidden away, unlike the Shoutbox.

    Stories would be sent to one of the two or three Short Story admins and then published in Short Stories. Otherwise new discussions would be closed to members.jamalrob

    That might be a way. I had been thinking of it being a more free-flowing, inclusive and inviting space.
    Sending stories to admin or mods would, I think, be off-putting plus more work for the mods?
    Also, I thought any section re short stories would include more than that. See previous.

    There could be a discussion thread too. Basically it would be like the competitions but without deadlines and polls.jamalrob

    The Symposium: its description includes 'music, dancing, recitals or conversation'.
    So, the possibilities are there, for sure. However, each thread within is 'stickied'.
    I'm not sure what that's all about, Alfie ?

    Perhaps, all it needs is a re-naming and description of a relevant sub-forum ?
    Philosophy of Art and Creativity ?

    Just more thoughts...
  • jamalrob
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    However, each thread within is 'stickied'.Amity

    No, the threads in the Symposium are not automatically stickied. We did that manually to the existing threads in the Symposium. I don't think we'd do it for this new section.

    Perhaps, all it needs is a re-naming and description of a relevant sub-forum ?
    Philosophy of Art and Creativity ?
    Amity

    I had been thinking of it being a more free-flowing, inclusive and inviting space.Amity

    A new category open to all might work too. No need to send stories to a mod or category admin, so less work. Yeah we could try it I guess.
  • Amity
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    No, the threads in the Symposium are not automatically stickied. We did that manually to the existing threads in the Symposium. I don't think we'd do it for this new section.jamalrob

    A new category open to all might work too. No need to send stories to a mod or category admin, so less work. Yeah we could try it I guess.jamalrob

    The best of both worlds. I like it :up:
  • jamalrob
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    Done.

    I'll just have to add an intro thread and a discussion thread, both pinned within the category only.

    Damn, did I just get roped into running this thing? :confused:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/categories/40/short-stories
  • jamalrob
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    To clarify, unlike the Symposium in general, anyone can start a thread in this sub-category.
  • jamalrob
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    I hope it's not distracting attention from the ongoing competition.
  • Amity
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    No. We're all hanging fire until the voting is done and dusted.

    BTW, the link isn't working for me...still a work in progress ?

    Damn, did I just get roped into running this thing? :confused:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/categories/40/short-stories
    jamalrob

    Thanks for all your work :100:
  • jamalrob
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    BTW, the link isn't working for me...still a work in progress ?Amity

    How about now?
  • Amity
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    :up: :cool:

    That's in the Symposium.
    So, I guess a broader discussion re short stories by other authors etc. could take place, where ?
    Under Phil of Art ?

    Anyway, up and off now. The sun doth shine :grin:
  • jamalrob
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    It's in the Symposium but note:

    To clarify, unlike the Symposium in general, anyone can start a thread in this sub-category.jamalrob

    a broader discussion re short stories by other authors etc. could take place, where ?Amity

    You mean authors aside from the members of TPF, like Chekhov and Borges etc? Maybe I can add another category. Or maybe someone can add a thread to an existing category.

    EDIT: for the latter, the existing reading groups section looks all right.
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