I get your angry and you have your reasons why. I understand. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

My beloved Traitor don't overestimate your ability to read my emotions! My intentions shouldn't be in your concerns either, or anyone else's. I appreciate your humanistic concern though. I must confess I almost like you. The cancer of islam hasn't consumed all your Europeanness after all :lol: How about reverting to the Good? Please, don't ban me for proselytizing :rofl:

And you're welcome to express it, if you make the effort to be constructive about it and try to philosophise — Mr Phil O'Sophy

If I make the effort to sugarcoat it you mean.

You could say: — Mr Phil O'Sophy

Yes, I could. But I don't have to. This post https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/5535/the-wests-moral-superiority-to-islam/p1 does not do it, this post https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/274112 does not it, this post https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/275054 does not it. Most posts don't it.

has made it very clear that you can express such views. It's not what you've said specifically but your form and how you've presented yourself as an extremely aggressive interlocutor, thats unwilling to justify his claims, offer any detailed argumentation, or show any consideration to consider the arguments being put forward in response to your claims without simply outright dismissing them while again, not showing any justification as to why they should be dismissed other than referring to them as 'post-modern' or 'leftist'. Which is.... — Mr Phil O'Sophy

I've done nothing different than most here habitually do or what Mr. Orbán, whom Mr. Scruton defended, does. The lol factor is that this is what this thread is about.

I can help you with what to say. Quote me saying what you said I said.

Of course, write what you like, with the provision that you will be moderated as every other member would. — fdrake

No, not like every other member. This thread https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/5535/the-wests-moral-superiority-to-islam for example contains much harsher comments that are still there.

Note - I am not saying that you cannot criticise Islam, I am saying that your post was a disrespectful hatchet job and was deleted for its content and structure regardless of the pure and noble intentions you probably had. Write a more nuanced post, argue it well, argue it respectfully, and it will stick around. — fdrake

Oh yes you do. You say that I'm not allowed to express my belief that mumammad was a pedophile and that many moslems continue to marry kids because of that.

You wrote something which could easily be read as claiming that all Muslims would be paedophiles without their religion. — fdrake

Misread, not read.

your critique isn't worth reading — fdrake

Then don't read it.

Again, try to criticise Islam like Avicenna would. — fdrake

I'll criticize islam whichever I like. Try not to misread what I write and ignore it if you don't like it.

When you will point me to some members who chose to study Plato and Aristotle in moslem countries, I will begin reading your link.

I didn't deny it. Its still apart of me. Which is only made clear by the fact that I admit that I am of Polish/Scottish decent, born and raised in England. I can't delete that, its something engrained into my being. Also, being muslim is a religious choice, being European is a biological/geographical fact. One is a choice, the other isn't. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

Yes, you denied it. European culture has nothing to do with islamic culture, they don't mix. You can keep your postmodern identities, just have them somewhere else.

Like I said, I do plan on leaving. But this is my home and I'm here as long as I need to be. Christianity wasn't a part of European heritage once. I'm sure many pagans said the same thing when people began converting to it as well. After all, it too, like islam, originated in the Middle East. Why are you in favour of Christianity if it has such similar roots? Are you a pagan? Would you tell christians to leave on the same basis? If not why? — Mr Phil O'Sophy

Christianity and islam are not the same and it is no wonder that they don't mix either. The fact that Christianity was capable of becoming a part of European culture does not mean that islam can or that it should.

Not as Alien as you think my friend. The values the west has accepted over the past 70 or so years are much more alien to the western heritage than the values held by Islam. Things have changed so drastically over the past century in Europe, that what you seek to persevere is something completely new and counter to your roots. Islam has much more in common with our history than the modern age does: — Mr Phil O'Sophy

Multiculturalism and postmodernism which is how leftists try to destroy European culture is as alien as islam is.

again, you're conflating categories. I'm a European muslim. If I go any where in the world, they won't refer to me as middle eastern because I'm a muslim. I look and sound like a British person. I have blonde hair and green eyes. I can't stop being European, thats not how it works. I stopped being Christian, and gave up being an atheist. These are things you can cease to be when you no longer prescribe to them. But this can't be said with regards to biological and geographical heritage.

You're welcome to give an argument as to why you think I'm wrong. But like I say, I think the problem is that you are misunderstanding the difference between where someone is from and what they believe. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

The only problem is that you try to deny that the European region has a culture and a history of its own. I have news for you though, it does have one and it's not compatible with islamic culture. Those who embrace the islamic culture, have effectively denied their European one, no matter how blonde their hair is or what their passport says.

Yes, it was an accusation, and as I explained in my response, you're wrong. Thats a comment on how muslims can only do dawah if they encourage conversation. That does not mean I'm doing dawah now. Like I say, it was relevant to the discussion on this thread, and as proselytising is against the forum rules, I'm sure if it is to be considered as such the moderators will pull me up on it. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

Nice try.

I'm not telling you to embrace pedophilia. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

I didn't say you did.

Also, there are some misconceptions about the fact that because Mohammad married someone at X years old, that it translates to mean that it is an obligation that muslims marry girls at X years old. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

No one said it's an obligation. Keep twisting words. I only said that as a matter of fact you moslems marry kids. Good luck explaining to other moslems why they're not allowed to do what their role model did.

Knowledge requires that it be based on knowing. What you've stated is a belief, and if the evidence suggests that your belief is incorrect, then you would be terribly mistaken to consider it knowledge. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

Knowledge requires that it be based on reality. Reality says that those who want to study Plato Aristotle or physics study in the West and those who want to memorize the koran study in moslem countries.

You know how much of our 'European heritage' derives from ancient Islamic culture right? — fdrake

Yes, I know. Nothing at all.

For all intensive purposes, I am a European, with European heritage. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

The moment you converted to islam, you denied your European heritage and embraced the moslem heritage. Enjoy your moslem heritage, but please do it outside Europe. Islam is not a part of European heritage.

Regarding Soros and Orbán. I don't know enough about them or their comments to say anything about them. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

You have access to the internet, so you can google and read Orbán's comments. It shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes, since he's one of those men who are not afraid to speak their mind. The way you exploit Europe has been described by Orbán, Scruton and others. By taking what belongs to Europeans. Moslems and moslem culture are alien to Europe and they should stick to what is their own.

With regards to your accusation that I'm proselytising — Mr Phil O'Sophy

It's not an accusation. It's what you said.

"how else are we to call people to our religion if we stop them from talking and asking questions".

And with regards to your accusations against my prophet, as they are quite heated topics that require a lot of patience and time to delve into, I will be doing a thread on that once I have finished university. So you will be welcome to comment on that once I have it posted. — Mr Phil O'Sophy

They are not accusations, they are historical facts. You better post your thread on moslem forums. If your fairytales keep other moslems from marrying kids and killing 'dis-believers', something good will have come out of it. We on the other had don't need your fairytales to denounce pedophilia.

First of all, what is this moslem, 'Mr Phil O'Sophy', doing here? As Mr. Orbán warned us time and time again, Europe and Islam don't mix. He is right that Europe should not submit to moslem invaders. Mr. Scruton was sacked because he backed Mr. Orbán's justified fear. Mr. Orbán was absolutely right to call moslems invaders and Mr. Scruton was right when he agreed that this is what moslems are. They are not refugees, they are invaders. They should not be allowed to exploit Europe and the same goes for 'converts' like 'Mr Phil O'Sophy'.

'Converts' are traitors invading from the inside. They should be send to the Middle East where they belong and not be allowed to exploit European lands and institutions. As moslems do not belong in Europe, this moslem does not belong to a Western Philosophy forum. He should stop quoting the murderer and pedophile muhammad in philosophy forums and go proselytize elsewhere. And this is not 'islamophobia', it's common sense, which most Europeans finally begin to recognize.

Those who left Hungary to work abroad are traitors too and because of that Mr. Orbán was completely justified in passing the overtime law. Hungarians that complain about 'slavery' should get rid of their invader mentality, thinking that they are above the Nation and its salvation.