I think this critique is a bit too extreme. For one free idea exchange is not limited by financial constraint - you have platforms like youtube, wikipedia, google, forums, reddit. that allow for open exposure. If anything political censorship, traditionalism, and conformist social pressure would be larger threats than financial restriction. Second there's a large body of work charting how modernization impacts social values and attitudes; for example see World values survey data comprised of social attitude and value surveys conducted in representative sample from ~55 countries as of 2014. They've been documenting since 80s. There is a general shift in the direction of more self-expressive, liberal and more rational-secularist vs traditionalist values over time. So the impact is real and not necessarily negative.There are so many clichés and banalities about the internet – to your points, it is possible to add that there has been an ongoing and free exchange of ideas, technologies, and knowledge (in fact, you need to pay for all these). That the internet
brings people with different cultures and views together (actually, social networking are divided into isolated communities of like-minded persons). That the world has become the global village (very few people have been interested in and follow the global affairs). By the way, what is “the voice of the global village”?
Has it been the voice of few media giants, dominating the cyber-space?
They’re not any sort of absolute authority. It’s perfectly acceptable, and even considered a good and beneficial practice, to question these worldviews.
To accept them without question by mere authority or solidarity with the ‘group view’, especially if they appear untrue, would be more like religion.
a. Extend the pre-existing word-concept to cover all versions of the manifest image and restrict the use of differential vocabulary to distinguishing between the two scientific images which underlie the manifest image.
b. Add a new word-concept in order to distinguish the manifest image by variations in the underlying scientific images.
If anything option a would be more abstract in that it takes snow to mean any frosted, fluffy white powdery substance that melts in presence of heat. It's a 'descriptive'/'functional' as opposed to a reductive, concrete, substansive definition.There is the manifest difference in temperature ranges often found on Earth where C02 ice sublimates into a gas, while H20 turns into a liquid.
Why do you use the word "image" for the scientific understanding? I get the manifest image, because it captures the notion of appearance for humans, given how visually dominant most of us are. But science is more abstract. Is "image" another word for description or model?
I don't think science has to make any metaphysical commitment like naturalism. I think naturalism and physicalism are quite meaningless in terms of picking out entities. But is science wants to promote a metaphysics it would then become a philosophical competitor.
I don't think you have to ask questions to make scientific discoveries. Just mixing chemicals can create innovations and new phenomena can appear under a microscope or any other form of observation..
I think most claims in evolution and cosmology are unfalsifiable because they are historical claims about one off events that can't be replicated.
I still think nothing is just inherently a self-contradicting concept, it is the lack of anything and yet it's clearly something itself, 'it is a lack of anything'. It's individuated as a term precisely because it contrasts with the term something, not because it's completely devoid - i.e. it has a referent - you can picture an absence by envisioning a space devoid of anything.@gurugeorge I'm really glad someone understands what I'm trying to convey.
"nothing is the possibility of something."
That's exactly it. That is the most efficient way to explain it. I wanted to have this statement critiqued but I thought it was too vague to extend to specific deductions that I've made if this statement were true.
I agree with you fully about the paradoxical nature of the concept. For most people, it's unfortunately a non-starter. I see it as an unexplored realm and believe that the idea can be reasonably discussed given certain restrictions are put on the statements. I think that in order for metaphysical arguments to be universally true, or at least hold some sort of merit, all indivisible constituents of the statement must also be true. So let's get down to the nitty gritty.
"But is that possibility not a something?"
What is something? Does it require an observer to exist? For example, would you say pi exists? Why or why not?
I think it'd be an error. He may be behaving consistently with respect to his interpretation but ultimately it's an error.Well yes, I think so. But what do you call it when someone commits an error in interpreting it as consistent but behaves inconsistently with regards to it? Is that some error or fallacy?
Doesn't it depend on the purpose of the text? If it's an artwork then it's fine to have contradictions on the literal meaning level, the writing expresses some latent concept or emotion then it's understandable. If it's an expository work intended to communicate some specific information then it shouldn't have contradiction rightI confess I feel rather the opposite. Why should texts obey some principle of non-contradiction? This would be the dream of an authoritarian, surely? Non-contradiction happens in logic, perhaps, but as soon as we use natural language it creeps in. And creeps, and creeps.
Certain texts may be regarded as some sort of guidance to behaviour, but how are humans to be governed in this way? As soon as I read 'Thou shalt not'...' written say by some stuffy patriarch, I want to go looking for a fellow-transgressor.
Hello again, btw, Posty. Hope you're well.
I'm not sure I understand the bolded. Wouldn't consistency imply lack of contradiction. Also I think what's really important to avoid presence of multiple, plausible, consistent interpretations is specificity and clarity in writing as opposed to ambiguity.Well, yes. The absence of non-sequiturs implies that one understands something. Therefore, how do you lessen the chance of a non-sequitur from arising at all? Through consistency? But, how do you arrive at consistency without contradictions?
I'm not sure it's indicative of understanding; maybe you can have more than one logically valid interpretations of a text but they'd all be equally plausible as the meaning. You can only have understanding if you have direct access to the author's intended meaning.So, the absence of contradiction is indicative of understanding a text, correct?
Right, I wasn't saying values were higher order volitions, I'm saying higher order volitions are determined by values. What makes you desire not to desire heroin is the fact that you value healthy living.I think vales are a different subject, although values are pretty close to higher order volition's. The difference it would seem is that values are static, where higher order volitions are more inclined to be dynamic. Or in other words, values obtain from higher order volitions, I think.
Or that at present there is an inconsistency and the higher order volition is generated to correct the first order desire. e.g. I value healthy living but I desire heroin. So now I desire that my desire for heroin reduces or is no more. I then take action to change my first order desire. Eventually, the first desire will dissipate and you are brought back to consistency.Yes, but having higher order volition's means that some inconsistency will eventually arise. No?
By self consistency I mean that one's values-beliefs and actions are not in contradiction with each other, they are logically consistent.I don't know what you mean by that. Self consistency?
I think it's interesting you identify love, envy, jealousy -- i.e. emotions as higher order volitions. I would've taken higher order volition to mean a desire derived from a deeply held value. Say spirituality is a value for me, then desires to meditate, pray, fast would be higher order volitions. The motivation doesn't necessarily comes from pleasure or some other basic non-rational motivator, but it comes from a desire for self consistency.Yes, I do agree to some degree. I think there are higher order volition's, which seems like the apt term to use; such, as 'love' or 'envy' or 'jealousy'.
I think at least in the case of CBT, what really makes it efficacious is the behavioral therapy, challenging misguided beliefs through exposure or some other behavioral method. From the literature I've seen, cognitive therapy is useful but not to the same degree as when including the behavioral component. Although, I think getting to core beliefs that underpin maladaptive behaviors and or ruminative thinking patterns is a necessary step for lasting behavioral change.A good while ago I posted some topics about CBT or in general talk therapy/rational emotive behavioural therapy/metacognitive therapy, and even logotherapy contra what Hume had to say about the role of reason being the handmaiden to the passions. Each type of therapy seems to rely on reason being able to address personal issues, shortcomings, perceived deficiencies, and other issues.
It's my general sentiment that Hume, was in some sense wrong about his sentiment towards human rationality and emotions.
Yet, the deeper you look into the issues, all the aforementioned therapies, in some sense have to address the emotions through reasoning. So, in some sense it's almost true of reason being instrumental to the passions; but, the distorted perception of mine is that it's only a one way street or a bottom up or top down alley where one controls the other.
Therefore, I don't think it makes sense to talk about reason being the handmaiden to the passions; but, a more intuitive view would be to say they both work in tandem.
Would that be a more insightful way of putting the Humean saying in context?
If a nation's social contract includes a clause about providing and maintaining security then I think it's completely moral and in right business for the nation to have a military in that interest. And having a military doesn't necessarily imply the country ever intends to use force. Switzerland, for example, has mandatory military conscription for its citizens but has not really ever engaged in any combative exercise since the 19th century. I think irresponsible or excessive use of military force has more to do with the governing administration rather than the fact of there being a military.Nietzsche observed that every country claim to have a military in order to prevent invasion by another country's military. Is this a vicious circular logic, or are militaries a "necessary evil"? Is this not akin to the prisoner's dilemma?
I still think neural networks can be described as self monitoring programs - they modify their output in a goal-directed way in response to input. There must be learning rules operating in which the network takes into account its present state and determines how this state compares to a more optimal state that it's trying to achieve. I think that comparison and learning process is an example of self monitoring and modification.Sure there are other methods. But the ones that are derived from the functioning of the human brain, which generally means interconnected neurons passing on signals are usually expressed that way.
The whole program is written to fulfill a certain purpose. How should it monitor that?
Isn't this true for only a subset of AIs. I'm unsure if this is how, for example a self navigating, walking honda robot works, or the c. elegans worm model, etc. And even in these cases, there is still a self monitoring mechanism at play -- the optimizing algorithm. While 'blind' and not conventionally assumed to involve 'self awareness', I'm saying this counts -- it's a system which monitors itself in order to modify or inform its own output. Fundamentally, the brain is the same just scaled up in the sense that there are multiple self monitoring, self modifying blind mechanisms working in parallel.The AIs whose construction is inspired by the human brain are merely a bunch of matrices chained together resulting in a map from an input to an output. m(X) = Y. These get trained (in supervised learning at least) by supplying a set of desired (X,Y)-Tuples and using some math.
algorithm to tweak the matrices towards producing the right Y values for the Xes. Once the training-sets are handled sufficiently well chances are good it will produce plausible outputs for new Xes.
They have algorithms which monitor their goals and their behavior directed toward their goals no? So then they cannot merely be the representation of their goals.These things do not exactly have a representation of their goals - they are that representation.
Hmm, I would think self awareness comes part and parcel with some level of sentience. I think a robot that can sense certain stimuli - etc. light, color, and their spatial distribution in a scene - and can use that information to inform goal directed behavior must have some form of sentience. They must hold some representation of the information in order to manipulate it and use it for goal based computations and they must have some representation of their own goals. All of that (i.e. having a working memory of any sort) presupposes sentience.Yes. That can be correctly classified as some level of self-awareness. This leads me to believe that most of what we do - walking, talking, thinking - can be replicated in machines (much like wormw or insects). The most difficult part is, I guess, imparting sentience to a machine. How does the brain do that? Of course, that's assuming it's better to have consciousness than not. This is still controversial in my opinion. Self-awareness isn't a necessity for life and I'm not sure if the converse is true or not.