Wtf?
Get our act together?
Good day. — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Yes! Better not actually. Let's just leave things as they are.

This got me thinking. Last night I watched a debate featuring Dan Barker (ex-priest, atheist) and he said something interesting: Christians are attributing their goodness to Christian morals when the truth of the matter is the Biblia Sacra records divine commands that don't square with this. For example, homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, but gay rights are most actively advocated in states that are very Christian.

An explanation: Christians aren't true Christians or the better ethics in modern society isn't Christianity-based.

Christian abolitionists? No, can't be, oui?

Suffering, as a necessary evil? Does that mean happiness is a contingent good? :chin:

The PSR entails cause and that includes self-cause.

But how would you program that thought, a clear and sound mental happening, on a computer? — EugeneW

The thought is 1+1 = 3. Is there anything more to 1 + 1 = 3 than 1 + 1 = 3? Can you tell me what it is?

1+1=3 — EugeneW

It's a mathematical operation, actually a pure logic game.

the nominee cannot explain the difference between a woman and a man. — RussellA

Maybe it's not as easy as we think it is. How can Mrs. Jackson say anything to suggest that Biden was more interested in her vagina and breasts than her brain?

Do brains have sex? :wink:

All of them. — EugeneW

Give me a concrete, particular case.

Logic is a way of thinking. If A then B, and if C assumed true together with A the C is B if A and C in the same class of truth. Something like that. Its just a train of thoughts running on your neural network. Unprogrammed. But structured by strengthened connections between neurons, which is how memories form — EugeneW

Correction: That is how (we think) memories are formed.

Coming to the main issue of whether a human persona can be mimicked, I'd say Turing set the bar low (deliberately so) for (future) AI.

By the way, can you give me one example of a mind process that you believe is not programmable?

Philosophers need to say something else. :heart:

You need to understand the other person's argument before you can counter it. — Daemon

What's individuation? Do any AI researchers use this concept to prove that their work towards creating General AI is misguided, finished before it even begins? — Agent Smith

If something is unclear I will happily explain it. But I don't really think that's the problem. — Daemon

What's individuation? Do any AI researchers use this concept to prove that their work towards creating General AI is misguided, finished before it even begins?

The brain isn't programmed like a computer. — EugeneW

I don't quite get the resistance to such a simple and intuitive idea.

Let's meet at the halfway point. Would you agree that one of the things the brain is known for, in fact defines it, namely logic, is programmable (algorithm). Too, isn't it true that AI can recognize patterns? I might've missed a spot or two.

It seems you didn't understand what I said. — Daemon

Maybe that's not my fault!

It's a paradox. — Gregory

:smile:

Why all of a sudden is it "Ma'am"? — ArguingWAristotleTiff

I have no idea, must be some kinda Freudian defense mechanism.

Anyway, if nonvegetarianism is immoral, then women are immoral (too), oui? Video evidence for reference. The poor chicken is lower on the hackliste, and everyone above it in the food chain is, well, killin' and eatin' it. How could anyone, the fairer sex included, justify a demand for equality under these circumstances? We're always lookin' up, look down for a change if only to not come off as a hypocrite (sorry Neil deGrasse Tyson).

I want women to lead humanity, they're our best bet. First thing that needs to be done is for them to get their act together.

@ArguingWAristotleTiff

Look at this $\downarrow$

Students should learn this: How not to fuck up?

If that's not possible, then this: How not to fuck up the fuck up?

the question of being — Xtrix

I don't think so. I'd rather ask "what is love?"

:up:

:rofl: Dear ma'am, I have no wish to waste your precious time. Your app is incompatible with my OS. Nice try though! I'll check back when I can.

Homosexuality was also framed as such. Times move on. — I like sushi

You're on the right track, but I think you're missing something...a clue you've overlooked. Just my gut instincts, my intuition, that's all.

cured by use of psychedelics — I like sushi

There is no God!

purely ‘mental illnesses’ — I like sushi

God Delusion, Richard Dawkins? The jury's still out it seems.

Someone has to be sick! Oui?

Let me ask you something: do you really believe that womenare only less powerful than men? — ArguingWAristotleTiff

Don't get me wrong and please don't judge me. Given the current parameters of my CPU and the data at my disposal, which I analyzed as best as I could, the output is as you've read in my previous post: women are only less powerful than women, not weak.

Would you like to update my system? I'd be more than happy to run your app, if one's on offer and if you like?

Be gentle now...

I see the general direction you wish to take this discussion, but I feel you should say something...can't find the words. Sorry, you'll have to figure it out yourself. Godspeed!

Just to be clear, altered mental states are, I'm told, considered pathological i.e. they're mental illnesses requiring therapy. Is religion a delusion i.e. is atheism true? In other words, am I right that the variable in question, X = 0?

Like a (good) doctor who's all out of options, I recommend a wait & watch policy. Death is a blessing, we don't have to live long enough to eat our own words. Aaah morte! Sweet relief!

The future, if you'll notice, is brimming with possibilities (anicca).

That said, are we not, ourselves, meat machines? Our mechanical creations seem to be made in our image (arms, legs, head, etc.) just like Yahweh made us in his image or so the story goes.

Or is that too logical? — Olivier5

Extraordinary! :clap:

On point! I'm not anything! Does that mean I'm nothing? Oh wow!

Here is an Associate Justice. — 180 Proof

:up:

I stand corrected. Sorry. There are altered mental states. I have myself participated in the development of a triage algorithm for the critically ill in which altered sensorium is a cardinal sign of what ER physicians call "crash".

However, matter of concern, either we've been misled by shamans on psychedelics or all believers are delirious, that includes philosophers of religion. Choose!

To be worshiped is not freedom. — _db

:fire: People only worship power, power comes with responsibilities. Responsibilities? R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-I-E-S!!!!??? :death:

The OP's question is unanswerable if...

Which is better?

1. Hey, here's a judge, she's a black woman?

2. Hey, here's a black woman, she's a judge?

Consensus doesn't imply truth! There are no altered states of consciousness, just different perspectives! Would you go from one window in your house to the next and then conclude, just because the view has changed, that you're in a different house?

You think neuroscience is bullshit? ASC’s are known phenomena. They are not woo woo, just certain brain states that do weird things. — I like sushi

If you say so.

Why is that bs? — EugeneW

For reasons I can't tell you sweet EugeneW. Search for the phrase: Darwinain sorcery! Oops! I did it again!

altered states of consciousness. — I like sushi

BS! Whatever floats your boat, sir/madam!

In terms of ‘theism’ I think polytheism makes more sense as people can role play certain things and deal with problems piecemeal rather than try and ‘act out’ being Jesus or some such thing. — I like sushi

What's the problem if I act out being Jesus? Actors do that (you mentioned role play). I'm presently trying to simulate Jesus; not really though, more like theia mania (it's part of spirituality, not necessarily religion, and I can see now why "religion fascinates me (you) to no end". Give it a go!).

Key triggers — I like sushi

:lol: You're in the zone yourself! Enjoy!

Not sure what that means? I was talking about instances where members of the ‘audience’ took on the role of one of the representations on stage - sometimes they would kill, kill themselves eat feces or numerous other things. Full on Dionysus crap — I like sushi

Why did you think that was relevant? I was freewheeling, winging it as it were, as there doesn't seem to be a point to the discussion except perhaps the one you had in mind. So, what was on your mind?

it was/is more ‘ritualistic’ in other cultures. — I like sushi

That seems to be the case. Entertainment was not it; getting in touch with your inner child, lover, monster, saint, that was the goal.

trance states. — I like sushi

BS, more like sublimation, rationalization on steroids. Trying to make yourself feel better about...

it has evolved over time. — I like sushi

What hasn't?

Religion seems to be approaching an endpoint that many will not like: to be is the value of a variable, the x = 0. Does 0 be?

Like how singing seems to be a natural extension of speech! :up:

Let's just all sit down at the table and eat...in silence.